Vizzy - Some engines, the Jeep 4.0 in particular, just run better with cheap plugs.
Used bosch O2 sensors
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I do know that some applications require single tip electrodes only ..and usually aftermarket major brands like Bosch, Denso, NGK, ect...will specify that.....
just as some applications require multi tipped applications....
It is very important to ALWAYS follow the recommendations listed in the part finder books provided by the aftermarket companies..usually the major brands have very good cross reference info that is accurate...
I would personally stay with the tip number that the OE provided, although in most cases using a multi tip part will not be any problem.
I'd easily use Bosch Super+ in that Jeep 4L. As long as you get the correct application part no problems at all... it will easily be as good and reliable as the OEM part.
I do know that some applications require single tip electrodes only ..and usually aftermarket major brands like Bosch, Denso, NGK, ect...will specify that.....
just as some applications require multi tipped applications....
It is very important to ALWAYS follow the recommendations listed in the part finder books provided by the aftermarket companies..usually the major brands have very good cross reference info that is accurate...
I would personally stay with the tip number that the OE provided, although in most cases using a multi tip part will not be any problem.
I'd easily use Bosch Super+ in that Jeep 4L. As long as you get the correct application part no problems at all... it will easily be as good and reliable as the OEM part.
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And I wouldn't bother throwing my money away on Bosch Super+ plugs when the cheapest champion coppers are generally perfect for the 4.0l until the later years, when they switched to NGKs stock. Seriously, about the easiest plug change on the planet.
Back to the original topic, I've never had a problem with Bosch O2 sensors. Currently have one in my Cherokee with no issues. RUn them in Fords too without a problem.
Back to the original topic, I've never had a problem with Bosch O2 sensors. Currently have one in my Cherokee with no issues. RUn them in Fords too without a problem.
I have been using Bosch O2 sensors on my Lexus and my neices Honda. Can't say that the factory DENSO's lasted very long in either vehicle. Maybe the Bosch will only last half the time of the Denso's but the Bosch were half the price.
Originally Posted By: Vizzy
Don't buy all the internet rumor mills about Bosch products ...it is probably the work of stealth marketing hacks ...
I've only used Bosch ignition and related products for years and have never had any issues at all.!!!!!
Bosch was the inventor of the O2 sensor..so I'd be willing to say that they make some of the best and most reliable.
It is not a rumor, because of those Bosch ignition components- BOSCH PLATINUM 4 SPARK PLUGS- my Prizm got 15MPG, Bosch Platinum 4 plugs were brand new on the car, not a mistaken part number.Just after replacing those with NGK spark plugs I got 35MPG, same driving conditions, same climate, similar temperature. 15 MPG on Bosch, the so called inventors of O2 sensors, and 35 MPG on NGK spark plugs.When I see Bosch products at auto stores I run away from them.
Bosch makes great washers for years, great refrigerators.Expensive but quality items.If I could find them in the US I would buy only Bosch appliances as I did in Turkey.
But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry.
Don't buy all the internet rumor mills about Bosch products ...it is probably the work of stealth marketing hacks ...
I've only used Bosch ignition and related products for years and have never had any issues at all.!!!!!
Bosch was the inventor of the O2 sensor..so I'd be willing to say that they make some of the best and most reliable.
It is not a rumor, because of those Bosch ignition components- BOSCH PLATINUM 4 SPARK PLUGS- my Prizm got 15MPG, Bosch Platinum 4 plugs were brand new on the car, not a mistaken part number.Just after replacing those with NGK spark plugs I got 35MPG, same driving conditions, same climate, similar temperature. 15 MPG on Bosch, the so called inventors of O2 sensors, and 35 MPG on NGK spark plugs.When I see Bosch products at auto stores I run away from them.
Bosch makes great washers for years, great refrigerators.Expensive but quality items.If I could find them in the US I would buy only Bosch appliances as I did in Turkey.
But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry.
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry.
SO all those Bosch parts in autos (and quite a few of us using them and commenting on our ACTUAL experience) means nothing...
And I guess the Bosch fuel injection unit, injectors in my 1986 Jetta which went 394,000 MILES without NEVER needing ANY parts or maintenance, the Bosch O2 sensors on that vehicle that lasted well over 300,000 miles means nothing.
Amazing what NON-Factual info is being posted these days.
Just because YOU have a problem with them we need to ignore other factual info.
Blanket statements are interesting...
Bill
But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry.
SO all those Bosch parts in autos (and quite a few of us using them and commenting on our ACTUAL experience) means nothing...
And I guess the Bosch fuel injection unit, injectors in my 1986 Jetta which went 394,000 MILES without NEVER needing ANY parts or maintenance, the Bosch O2 sensors on that vehicle that lasted well over 300,000 miles means nothing.
Amazing what NON-Factual info is being posted these days.
Just because YOU have a problem with them we need to ignore other factual info.
Blanket statements are interesting...
Bill
About 18 months ago, I replaced all of the O2 sensors on my Ranger withe the Bosch direct fit. I've yet to have any problem.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry.
SO all those Bosch parts in autos (and quite a few of us using them and commenting on our ACTUAL experience) means nothing...
And I guess the Bosch fuel injection unit, injectors in my 1986 Jetta which went 394,000 MILES without NEVER needing ANY parts or maintenance, the Bosch O2 sensors on that vehicle that lasted well over 300,000 miles means nothing.
Amazing what NON-Factual info is being posted these days.
Just because YOU have a problem with them we need to ignore other factual info.
Blanket statements are interesting...
Bill
Non-factual info?
My personal experience.What more do you need?
I stated my personal experience and I said 'I run away from them' and based on MY personal experience (brand new correct part number Bosch Platinum 4 spark plugs causing 15 MPG, replacement NGK plugs giving me 35MPG, the only variable being the spark plugs)I arrive at MY own conclusion (not a blanket statement) that 'Bosch and auto parts do not go well together'.
What part of my message did I urge anyone to ignore your own experience? If you read my post carefully you should not have got the meaning you got.
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry.
SO all those Bosch parts in autos (and quite a few of us using them and commenting on our ACTUAL experience) means nothing...
And I guess the Bosch fuel injection unit, injectors in my 1986 Jetta which went 394,000 MILES without NEVER needing ANY parts or maintenance, the Bosch O2 sensors on that vehicle that lasted well over 300,000 miles means nothing.
Amazing what NON-Factual info is being posted these days.
Just because YOU have a problem with them we need to ignore other factual info.
Blanket statements are interesting...
Bill
Non-factual info?
My personal experience.What more do you need?
I stated my personal experience and I said 'I run away from them' and based on MY personal experience (brand new correct part number Bosch Platinum 4 spark plugs causing 15 MPG, replacement NGK plugs giving me 35MPG, the only variable being the spark plugs)I arrive at MY own conclusion (not a blanket statement) that 'Bosch and auto parts do not go well together'.
What part of my message did I urge anyone to ignore your own experience? If you read my post carefully you should not have got the meaning you got.
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry.
SO all those Bosch parts in autos (and quite a few of us using them and commenting on our ACTUAL experience) means nothing...
And I guess the Bosch fuel injection unit, injectors in my 1986 Jetta which went 394,000 MILES without NEVER needing ANY parts or maintenance, the Bosch O2 sensors on that vehicle that lasted well over 300,000 miles means nothing.
Amazing what NON-Factual info is being posted these days.
Just because YOU have a problem with them we need to ignore other factual info.
Blanket statements are interesting...
Bill
Non-factual info?
My personal experience.What more do you need?
Thank you for PROVING my point!
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry.
SO all those Bosch parts in autos (and quite a few of us using them and commenting on our ACTUAL experience) means nothing...
And I guess the Bosch fuel injection unit, injectors in my 1986 Jetta which went 394,000 MILES without NEVER needing ANY parts or maintenance, the Bosch O2 sensors on that vehicle that lasted well over 300,000 miles means nothing.
Amazing what NON-Factual info is being posted these days.
Just because YOU have a problem with them we need to ignore other factual info.
Blanket statements are interesting...
Bill
Non-factual info?
My personal experience.What more do you need?
Thank you for PROVING my point!
I think this stems from a few bad spark plugs that Bosch made, that didn't work well or last in many cars.
I personally know that Bosch made the OEM o2 sensors for most of my 90's and 2000's ford products.
When you would buy a replacement motorcraft part, it would be a bosch in the box.
For o2 sensors, I would still buy from rockauto and buy by price-point and stick with a major name and you will not have a problem.
I ended up with a Denso part for my saturn, it was 50 percent less than what any auto parts store wanted for a bosch.
Make sure that you spend extra to get an identical o2 sensor for what you are replacing, not a universal where you have to splice wires in the harness. Make it plug and play!
I personally know that Bosch made the OEM o2 sensors for most of my 90's and 2000's ford products.
When you would buy a replacement motorcraft part, it would be a bosch in the box.
For o2 sensors, I would still buy from rockauto and buy by price-point and stick with a major name and you will not have a problem.
I ended up with a Denso part for my saturn, it was 50 percent less than what any auto parts store wanted for a bosch.
Make sure that you spend extra to get an identical o2 sensor for what you are replacing, not a universal where you have to splice wires in the harness. Make it plug and play!
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I ran the +4's in my Explorer for 100,000Km. They were actually a good plug in that engine.
Ford has MANY OEM Bosch parts: O2 sensors, Fuel pumps, fuel injectors, various sensors. In fact EEC-IV was a collaboration between Ford, Bosch and Intel.
Ford has MANY OEM Bosch parts: O2 sensors, Fuel pumps, fuel injectors, various sensors. In fact EEC-IV was a collaboration between Ford, Bosch and Intel.
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Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Blanket statements are interesting...
Bill
Non-factual info?
My personal experience.What more do you need?
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Thank you for PROVING my point!
Sorry Geo, Guess your experience doesn't count.
Bill in Utah: Seems to me his 'blanket statement' stems from his use of the Bosch parts. While I read this, I remember several postings on this forum from many posters in the past complaining about bosch spark plugs not performing well in vehicles (or "certain" vehicles), and older postings of people not having good luck with bosch O2 sensors as well. Several postings IIRC were put "Go with OEM or Buy denso".
In a 'bosch' search, one post I ran across was:
Aftermarket: I go with NGK blue (never fails on all the Toys and Mazdas I serviced so far). I would stay away from Bosch or Autolite for I never have any good luck with them (esp. Autolite for they are what we called "taxi driver" grade which typically lasts about 1.5 yrs before their insulation fail.
This is just one, I am sure there are more on each subject. Seems to me GEO's 'blanket statement' has at least some merit to it...
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Blanket statements are interesting...
Bill
Non-factual info?
My personal experience.What more do you need?
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Thank you for PROVING my point!
Sorry Geo, Guess your experience doesn't count.
Bill in Utah: Seems to me his 'blanket statement' stems from his use of the Bosch parts. While I read this, I remember several postings on this forum from many posters in the past complaining about bosch spark plugs not performing well in vehicles (or "certain" vehicles), and older postings of people not having good luck with bosch O2 sensors as well. Several postings IIRC were put "Go with OEM or Buy denso".
In a 'bosch' search, one post I ran across was:
Aftermarket: I go with NGK blue (never fails on all the Toys and Mazdas I serviced so far). I would stay away from Bosch or Autolite for I never have any good luck with them (esp. Autolite for they are what we called "taxi driver" grade which typically lasts about 1.5 yrs before their insulation fail.
This is just one, I am sure there are more on each subject. Seems to me GEO's 'blanket statement' has at least some merit to it...
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
In a 'bosch' search, one post I ran across was:
Aftermarket: I go with NGK blue (never fails on all the Toys and Mazdas I serviced so far). I would stay away from Bosch or Autolite for I never have any good luck with them (esp. Autolite for they are what we called "taxi driver" grade which typically lasts about 1.5 yrs before their insulation fail.
Tim,
What you quoted from above (while searching under "bosch") is from me RE: discussions about spark plug wire qualities and not Bosch spark plugs nor O2 sensors, so please be very careful about what you are quoting.
I, for one, are very critical RE: blanket statements and while I have poor luck with Bosch spark plug cables/wires so far, I knew a couple of my colleagues still on Bosch after 6+yrs of service (I installed them for my clients). Comparing spark plug cables/wires quality to that of spark plugs or O2 sensors is like comparing apples w/ oranges.
While there are a lot of folks out there who had experienced bad spark plugs or O2 sensors from specific brand/manufacturers in the past, truth is: if your engine comes with Bosch O2 sensors, stay with Bosch and don't play scientist; and if yours come with NTK or Denso then stay with NTK or Denso. If the Bosch cross referencing book tells you that they have an exact model/type to replace your OEM non-bosch O2 sensors then it's worth trying ...
My 2c's worth. Other than those old-style pre-OBD-II days 1-wire O2 sensors of yore, I've been rigidly abiding by the OEM O2 sensor replacements whenever that's being called for.
Q.
In a 'bosch' search, one post I ran across was:
Aftermarket: I go with NGK blue (never fails on all the Toys and Mazdas I serviced so far). I would stay away from Bosch or Autolite for I never have any good luck with them (esp. Autolite for they are what we called "taxi driver" grade which typically lasts about 1.5 yrs before their insulation fail.
Tim,
What you quoted from above (while searching under "bosch") is from me RE: discussions about spark plug wire qualities and not Bosch spark plugs nor O2 sensors, so please be very careful about what you are quoting.
I, for one, are very critical RE: blanket statements and while I have poor luck with Bosch spark plug cables/wires so far, I knew a couple of my colleagues still on Bosch after 6+yrs of service (I installed them for my clients). Comparing spark plug cables/wires quality to that of spark plugs or O2 sensors is like comparing apples w/ oranges.
While there are a lot of folks out there who had experienced bad spark plugs or O2 sensors from specific brand/manufacturers in the past, truth is: if your engine comes with Bosch O2 sensors, stay with Bosch and don't play scientist; and if yours come with NTK or Denso then stay with NTK or Denso. If the Bosch cross referencing book tells you that they have an exact model/type to replace your OEM non-bosch O2 sensors then it's worth trying ...
My 2c's worth. Other than those old-style pre-OBD-II days 1-wire O2 sensors of yore, I've been rigidly abiding by the OEM O2 sensor replacements whenever that's being called for.
Q.
we service a fleet of vehicles.
Ran Bosch Platinum 4's for YEARS, never had the slightest problem.
Just replaced 8 O2 sensors with Bosch, one was bad out of the box.
I feel they are just middle of the road quality wise.
Ran Bosch Platinum 4's for YEARS, never had the slightest problem.
Just replaced 8 O2 sensors with Bosch, one was bad out of the box.
I feel they are just middle of the road quality wise.
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Originally Posted By: Quest
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
In a 'bosch' search, one post I ran across was:
Aftermarket: I go with NGK blue (never fails on all the Toys and Mazdas I serviced so far). I would stay away from Bosch or Autolite for I never have any good luck with them (esp. Autolite for they are what we called "taxi driver" grade which typically lasts about 1.5 yrs before their insulation fail.
Tim,
What you quoted from above (while searching under "bosch") is from me RE: discussions about spark plug wire qualities and not Bosch spark plugs nor O2 sensors, so please be very careful about what you are quoting.
I, for one, are very critical RE: blanket statements and while I have poor luck with Bosch spark plug cables/wires so far, I knew a couple of my colleagues still on Bosch after 6+yrs of service (I installed them for my clients). Comparing spark plug cables/wires quality to that of spark plugs or O2 sensors is like comparing apples w/ oranges.
While there are a lot of folks out there who had experienced bad spark plugs or O2 sensors from specific brand/manufacturers in the past, truth is: if your engine comes with Bosch O2 sensors, stay with Bosch and don't play scientist; and if yours come with NTK or Denso then stay with NTK or Denso. If the Bosch cross referencing book tells you that they have an exact model/type to replace your OEM non-bosch O2 sensors then it's worth trying ...
My 2c's worth. Other than those old-style pre-OBD-II days 1-wire O2 sensors of yore, I've been rigidly abiding by the OEM O2 sensor replacements whenever that's being called for.
Q.
My point was only to show that there are postings in general that have been in the past where people have had issues with bosch products. This includes plugs, O2 sensors, Wires, etc. I am not implying that Bosch products are bad, merely that I felt Bill In Utah's Statement about proving points was, IMHO, alittle harsh Due to the fact that It seemed to me that GEO's posting of
"But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry."
is every bit as "factual" as Bill In Utahs posting of
"Just because YOU have a problem with them we need to ignore other factual info.
" In Other words,
GEO and others have had problems with Bosch Products. Fact.
BILL IN UTAH and others have had good luck with Bosch Products. Fact.
Why is GEO's posting any less "factual" than BILL IN UTAH's? Both are "blanket statements", each stating an opinion ( or fact ) based on usage and performance with said product with each person. I used your quote merely to illustrate a point that there were issues on both sides with Bosch products, not just Bill's. This board is full of people who's experiences with the same products varies, and therefore each 'opinion" on them, good or bad, is just as factual as the opposing opinion, and IMHO, either opinion should not be discounted any more than the other.
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
In a 'bosch' search, one post I ran across was:
Aftermarket: I go with NGK blue (never fails on all the Toys and Mazdas I serviced so far). I would stay away from Bosch or Autolite for I never have any good luck with them (esp. Autolite for they are what we called "taxi driver" grade which typically lasts about 1.5 yrs before their insulation fail.
Tim,
What you quoted from above (while searching under "bosch") is from me RE: discussions about spark plug wire qualities and not Bosch spark plugs nor O2 sensors, so please be very careful about what you are quoting.
I, for one, are very critical RE: blanket statements and while I have poor luck with Bosch spark plug cables/wires so far, I knew a couple of my colleagues still on Bosch after 6+yrs of service (I installed them for my clients). Comparing spark plug cables/wires quality to that of spark plugs or O2 sensors is like comparing apples w/ oranges.
While there are a lot of folks out there who had experienced bad spark plugs or O2 sensors from specific brand/manufacturers in the past, truth is: if your engine comes with Bosch O2 sensors, stay with Bosch and don't play scientist; and if yours come with NTK or Denso then stay with NTK or Denso. If the Bosch cross referencing book tells you that they have an exact model/type to replace your OEM non-bosch O2 sensors then it's worth trying ...
My 2c's worth. Other than those old-style pre-OBD-II days 1-wire O2 sensors of yore, I've been rigidly abiding by the OEM O2 sensor replacements whenever that's being called for.
Q.
My point was only to show that there are postings in general that have been in the past where people have had issues with bosch products. This includes plugs, O2 sensors, Wires, etc. I am not implying that Bosch products are bad, merely that I felt Bill In Utah's Statement about proving points was, IMHO, alittle harsh Due to the fact that It seemed to me that GEO's posting of
"But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry."
is every bit as "factual" as Bill In Utahs posting of
"Just because YOU have a problem with them we need to ignore other factual info.
" In Other words,
GEO and others have had problems with Bosch Products. Fact.
BILL IN UTAH and others have had good luck with Bosch Products. Fact.
Why is GEO's posting any less "factual" than BILL IN UTAH's? Both are "blanket statements", each stating an opinion ( or fact ) based on usage and performance with said product with each person. I used your quote merely to illustrate a point that there were issues on both sides with Bosch products, not just Bill's. This board is full of people who's experiences with the same products varies, and therefore each 'opinion" on them, good or bad, is just as factual as the opposing opinion, and IMHO, either opinion should not be discounted any more than the other.
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: Quest
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
In a 'bosch' search, one post I ran across was:
Aftermarket: I go with NGK blue (never fails on all the Toys and Mazdas I serviced so far). I would stay away from Bosch or Autolite for I never have any good luck with them (esp. Autolite for they are what we called "taxi driver" grade which typically lasts about 1.5 yrs before their insulation fail.
Tim,
What you quoted from above (while searching under "bosch") is from me RE: discussions about spark plug wire qualities and not Bosch spark plugs nor O2 sensors, so please be very careful about what you are quoting.
I, for one, are very critical RE: blanket statements and while I have poor luck with Bosch spark plug cables/wires so far, I knew a couple of my colleagues still on Bosch after 6+yrs of service (I installed them for my clients). Comparing spark plug cables/wires quality to that of spark plugs or O2 sensors is like comparing apples w/ oranges.
While there are a lot of folks out there who had experienced bad spark plugs or O2 sensors from specific brand/manufacturers in the past, truth is: if your engine comes with Bosch O2 sensors, stay with Bosch and don't play scientist; and if yours come with NTK or Denso then stay with NTK or Denso. If the Bosch cross referencing book tells you that they have an exact model/type to replace your OEM non-bosch O2 sensors then it's worth trying ...
My 2c's worth. Other than those old-style pre-OBD-II days 1-wire O2 sensors of yore, I've been rigidly abiding by the OEM O2 sensor replacements whenever that's being called for.
Q.
My point was only to show that there are postings in general that have been in the past where people have had issues with bosch products. This includes plugs, O2 sensors, Wires, etc. I am not implying that Bosch products are bad, merely that I felt Bill In Utah's Statement about proving points was, IMHO, alittle harsh Due to the fact that It seemed to me that GEO's posting of
"But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry."
is every bit as "factual" as Bill In Utahs posting of
"Just because YOU have a problem with them we need to ignore other factual info.
" In Other words,
GEO and others have had problems with Bosch Products. Fact.
BILL IN UTAH and others have had good luck with Bosch Products. Fact.
Why is GEO's posting any less "factual" than BILL IN UTAH's? Both are "blanket statements", each stating an opinion ( or fact ) based on usage and performance with said product with each person. I used your quote merely to illustrate a point that there were issues on both sides with Bosch products, not just Bill's. This board is full of people who's experiences with the same products varies, and therefore each 'opinion" on them, good or bad, is just as factual as the opposing opinion, and IMHO, either opinion should not be discounted any more than the other.
+1
Originally Posted By: Quest
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
In a 'bosch' search, one post I ran across was:
Aftermarket: I go with NGK blue (never fails on all the Toys and Mazdas I serviced so far). I would stay away from Bosch or Autolite for I never have any good luck with them (esp. Autolite for they are what we called "taxi driver" grade which typically lasts about 1.5 yrs before their insulation fail.
Tim,
What you quoted from above (while searching under "bosch") is from me RE: discussions about spark plug wire qualities and not Bosch spark plugs nor O2 sensors, so please be very careful about what you are quoting.
I, for one, are very critical RE: blanket statements and while I have poor luck with Bosch spark plug cables/wires so far, I knew a couple of my colleagues still on Bosch after 6+yrs of service (I installed them for my clients). Comparing spark plug cables/wires quality to that of spark plugs or O2 sensors is like comparing apples w/ oranges.
While there are a lot of folks out there who had experienced bad spark plugs or O2 sensors from specific brand/manufacturers in the past, truth is: if your engine comes with Bosch O2 sensors, stay with Bosch and don't play scientist; and if yours come with NTK or Denso then stay with NTK or Denso. If the Bosch cross referencing book tells you that they have an exact model/type to replace your OEM non-bosch O2 sensors then it's worth trying ...
My 2c's worth. Other than those old-style pre-OBD-II days 1-wire O2 sensors of yore, I've been rigidly abiding by the OEM O2 sensor replacements whenever that's being called for.
Q.
My point was only to show that there are postings in general that have been in the past where people have had issues with bosch products. This includes plugs, O2 sensors, Wires, etc. I am not implying that Bosch products are bad, merely that I felt Bill In Utah's Statement about proving points was, IMHO, alittle harsh Due to the fact that It seemed to me that GEO's posting of
"But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry."
is every bit as "factual" as Bill In Utahs posting of
"Just because YOU have a problem with them we need to ignore other factual info.
" In Other words,
GEO and others have had problems with Bosch Products. Fact.
BILL IN UTAH and others have had good luck with Bosch Products. Fact.
Why is GEO's posting any less "factual" than BILL IN UTAH's? Both are "blanket statements", each stating an opinion ( or fact ) based on usage and performance with said product with each person. I used your quote merely to illustrate a point that there were issues on both sides with Bosch products, not just Bill's. This board is full of people who's experiences with the same products varies, and therefore each 'opinion" on them, good or bad, is just as factual as the opposing opinion, and IMHO, either opinion should not be discounted any more than the other.
+1
No Tim re-read Geos statement.
Here I'll post it;
Quote:
But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry.
You REALLY THINK that is a factual statement?
"Bosch and auto parts do not go well together?"
Just answer that in less than 30 words.
Dismiss your obvious problem with me but look at just that statement.
Bill
PS: My statement is also not JUST me. Its others who have posted HERE with comments of Bosch working with many autos. Many mfg use Bosch with success. The people have issues with Bosch are usually the ones who are going to have issues with most anything. We see those members post all the time. Everything is a drama for them.
Here I'll post it;
Quote:
But Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together.Sorry.
You REALLY THINK that is a factual statement?
"Bosch and auto parts do not go well together?"
Just answer that in less than 30 words.
Dismiss your obvious problem with me but look at just that statement.
Bill
PS: My statement is also not JUST me. Its others who have posted HERE with comments of Bosch working with many autos. Many mfg use Bosch with success. The people have issues with Bosch are usually the ones who are going to have issues with most anything. We see those members post all the time. Everything is a drama for them.
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Again Bill, you miss my point. It's his Opinion, based on his experience. No different or less worthy than yours.
And for the record, I do not have an "obvious" problem with you. I simply did not agree with your posting and made a comment regarding it. Is that now a problem to disagree ?
Also, if you go back and re-read my post, I stated clearly that yourself And Others were in agreement, just as there are others in agreement with Geo. No one was calling you out per se on a personal level.
And for the record, I do not have an "obvious" problem with you. I simply did not agree with your posting and made a comment regarding it. Is that now a problem to disagree ?
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Again Bill, you miss my point. It's his Opinion, based on his experience. No different or less worthy than yours.
And for the record, I do not have an "obvious" problem with you. I simply did not agree with your posting and made a comment regarding it. Is that now a problem to disagree ?
Also, if you go back and re-read my post, I stated clearly that yourself And Others were in agreement, just as there are others in agreement with Geo. No one was calling you out per se on a personal level.
Sorry. IF my comment was;
Bosch are the ONLY O2 sensors that work the rest is junk. AND their spark plugs are the only ones to use then I'd be close to Geo's comment. (ie non-factual)
My point was (and still is) that his comment is not factual. The FACT is Bosch DOES work with automobiles. WELL. He said that they do not. Its obvious that they do.
Your posting above did make it look like you WERE calling me out (the bolds, the italics and such MANY times) so that is what I'm going on. Sorry I mis understood the direction.
Good to go. I'm just getting tired of all the bashing that is un based here lately. Thousands of people who are NOT members come here for factual info and read some where that "Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together." and then spread that on other forums that "I read over at BITOG that Bosch parts are junk" which is close to Geo's statement.
And so on. That is why I injected my comment. Some members don't understand why blanket non-factual statements are not really wanted here. (and argue with you in PMs) so I put it on the board so at least the person reading that sees the other side.
Take care, Bill
PS: I have NO interest in any of the brands discussed on this board. I just have interest in the board. (I've been accused of that by some haters of brands that I jump in to defend from comments like above)
Again Bill, you miss my point. It's his Opinion, based on his experience. No different or less worthy than yours.
And for the record, I do not have an "obvious" problem with you. I simply did not agree with your posting and made a comment regarding it. Is that now a problem to disagree ?
Sorry. IF my comment was;
Bosch are the ONLY O2 sensors that work the rest is junk. AND their spark plugs are the only ones to use then I'd be close to Geo's comment. (ie non-factual)
My point was (and still is) that his comment is not factual. The FACT is Bosch DOES work with automobiles. WELL. He said that they do not. Its obvious that they do.
Your posting above did make it look like you WERE calling me out (the bolds, the italics and such MANY times) so that is what I'm going on. Sorry I mis understood the direction.
Good to go. I'm just getting tired of all the bashing that is un based here lately. Thousands of people who are NOT members come here for factual info and read some where that "Bosch and auto parts just do not go well together." and then spread that on other forums that "I read over at BITOG that Bosch parts are junk" which is close to Geo's statement.
And so on. That is why I injected my comment. Some members don't understand why blanket non-factual statements are not really wanted here. (and argue with you in PMs) so I put it on the board so at least the person reading that sees the other side.
Take care, Bill
PS: I have NO interest in any of the brands discussed on this board. I just have interest in the board. (I've been accused of that by some haters of brands that I jump in to defend from comments like above)
I was surprised to see that my OE Infiniti O2 sensors were Bosch.
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