People tend to overlook that sort of thing, but countless crimes have been solved due to simple cellphone location pinging. Imagine how much feedback a typical EV might offer to authorities, possibly even facial recognition of who was where, when, etc. Will also make it much easier for repo work too as you can't likely easily hide a car in that scenario.
US Crosses the Electric-Car Tipping Point for Mass Adoption
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They will tell you can keep them but after you see your insurance bill, the cost of a gallon of gas and the special environmental fee they'll squeeze many enthusus away from their classic cars!
Unlikely in my case. The Packard was my father‘s car. It’s a full classic. It already consumes a fair amount of monthly budget, but as a connection to my father, who I lost 31 years ago, when he was fairly young, that classic car will be with me until I’m gone.
Doesn't seem all that long ago that in the UK it was a shock to see an EV. Now I must see 20+ every day.
EV's are coming and for the majority of people they make absolute sense. I do 20-25k per year and even then I can count the days I do 200+ miles on my hands. The only issue I foresee at the moment is towing. I tow a 1500kg caravan with my little Vauxhall Insignia and while I have no doubts that EV's will make excellent tow cars the range at the moment just isn't there.
I still think hydrogen will pop out of nowhere. There will be some kind of breakthrough in the production of hydrogen and that will be THE option for higher mileage drivers.
EV's are coming and for the majority of people they make absolute sense. I do 20-25k per year and even then I can count the days I do 200+ miles on my hands. The only issue I foresee at the moment is towing. I tow a 1500kg caravan with my little Vauxhall Insignia and while I have no doubts that EV's will make excellent tow cars the range at the moment just isn't there.
I still think hydrogen will pop out of nowhere. There will be some kind of breakthrough in the production of hydrogen and that will be THE option for higher mileage drivers.
So true! One can select the charge rate to what ever fits the need. Whether people will or not when grid power is stressed is another question entirely.
I had a model S long range at my house for a while. It charged at 40A, 240V using the 50A outlet I have. Drawing just under 10,000watts for about 5 hours per night.
We could have limited the charge to 20A and drawn just a tick more than a water heater‘s 4500w element. But that would have taken 10+ hours, which may not have fit the schedule. We did see the options. Just chose not to use the lower charge rate.
I've driven by the Packard Plant in Detroit many times, it's kind of freaky!, I always try to visualize what it looked like when it was in operation!
I think electric vehicles will move at slower pace than people or forecasting, go by the facts there is just not enough raw materials for the battery's to begin with and building a few charging stations sounds like progress but it's a tiny tiny scratch in the bucket, some areas in California have air conditioning guidelines because of lack off electrictricity and they will now charge millions of EVs? New York has utility pipes in the ground from the early 1900's that need replacement but some how there going to charge millions of vehicles? I don't think so, congress has experts testify with the facts and they are very much ignored it's not the same information you get from the government, EV manufactures or states, I'm just saying it's going to take more time than many are telling you and that's not even mentioning the City vs Rural challenge.
I could go on and on...
I could go on and on...
Well stated and definitely makes sense regardless of the Kool-Aid some wanna drink. It seems as if EV is on the most consistent/realistic roll to date, but still very far from modern daily practical use. I constantly see the lame Cadillac ads with the upcoming whatever and basically says 'order now' as in no telling when it will actually hit production/delivery. If I invest in a car I have to be in it TODAY...
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There are a lot of problems with hydrogen. It likes to makes a big boom. It takes a lot of energy to produce, and there is a net power loss of 45% due to inefficiencies of conversion. That means it takes 45% more energy to create hydrogen than you get out. Also, it's really difficult (expensive!) to create containers that can securely store hydrogen without it leaking out, which isn't surprising if you consider that hydrogen atoms are the smallest possible. EDIT: Hydrogen can be highly corrosive if it is contaminated with other gases such as during a leak, so small leaks turn into big leaks.
The biggest problem with hydrogen is the cost of the infrastructure required to create and deliver it. Plug in charging stations are orders of magnitude cheaper to build.
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I guess my only question is: Who or what defines this "tipping" point?
Seems like another one of these arbitrarily, ambiguously defined setpoints.
Or the usa can slap a 100% tax on ev's. Problem solved
There is a reason you will never see the headline, "Mother cat has 4 kittens."
Now, "Cross the Tipping Point" gets attention of haters, fan boys and the curious alike.
Wind power — a key source of electricity in Texas — is being sidelined just when the Lone Star State needs it most, with turbines generating less than a 10th of what they’re capable of.
A scorching heat wave is pushing the Texas grid to the brink. Power demand is surging as people crank up air conditioners. But meanwhile, wind speeds have fallen to extremely low levels, and that means the state’s fleet of turbines is at just 8% of their potential output.
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Couple that with the message from Elon to NOT charge your Texas EV between 3-8pm. Thing is.... it is still over 100 degrees in TX at 10pm.
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A scorching heat wave is pushing the Texas grid to the brink. Power demand is surging as people crank up air conditioners. But meanwhile, wind speeds have fallen to extremely low levels, and that means the state’s fleet of turbines is at just 8% of their potential output.
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Couple that with the message from Elon to NOT charge your Texas EV between 3-8pm. Thing is.... it is still over 100 degrees in TX at 10pm.
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Meanwhile, the powers that be are determined to remove 2.6 gigawatts of production capacity in Washington state by removing 4 hydroelectric dams on the Snake river.
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yes, wind is expected to hit around 2,500MW (out of 28,000MW) in the heat of the day today.
Wind and solar are unreliable in extreme conditions. And in other news, water is wet. My first suggestion is nuclear power. My second is to employ peaker plants, lots of them.
I sometimes generate my own power with ancient-style Lister diesel engines (after hurricanes, for example). It's not difficult and it is reliable and more thermally efficient than the national energy grid. The engines are about 44% TE and the generator head 92%. The fact that we as a nation can't do electricity in a reliable and capable manner is insanity itself.
I sometimes generate my own power with ancient-style Lister diesel engines (after hurricanes, for example). It's not difficult and it is reliable and more thermally efficient than the national energy grid. The engines are about 44% TE and the generator head 92%. The fact that we as a nation can't do electricity in a reliable and capable manner is insanity itself.
In addition to hydro and wind the focus seems to be on solar, but just saw a Google feed mentioning the heat wave in Europe taking a toll on solar panels. Without getting that scientific it's mentioned that solar panel systems do indeed like sunlight, but not the scorching heat that is plaguing areas. Of course the tree huggers will unite and blame the heat waves on climate change caused by fossil fuels... Honestly there will never be an ideal situation that will suit everyone and we just need to maximize what we can the best we can and expect some sort of environmental change regardless of what we 'think' is best.
I see a lotta heat here in Los Gatos, which is the hottest part of Silicon Valley. The solar panels on my roof are doing just fine...
The CA Central Valley is really hot; all the new houses there have solar.
Solar panels are built to withstand temperatures up to 150* F as I recall in the literature I was given before my rather large investment.
The panels are designed for outdoor installation and can even handle 50 mph hail storms.
I'm the only one in my household to have occasional stupid long drives. I traded my V8 F150 for a VW GTI for something more fun with more luxury appointments in addition to better fuel economy. My wife has an ID.4 on the way. I'm not sure I'd be ready for two electric vehicles just yet, but for her use case it makes sense and we'll have both options. I just got tired of this sustained $4+ a gallon fuel and I'm not ok with paying $350-$400 a month in fuel for my truck. It was $500 or more with both the F150 and Edge factored in even with as little as my wife drives. I'll occasionally drive it too and likely more often with sustained higher gas prices. I'm paying around half for my fuel now compared to the truck.
