US Crosses the Electric-Car Tipping Point for Mass Adoption
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I wouldnt mind a bolt instead of the elantra. swap out the commuter car.
take it everywhere local commute plug in for cheap.
car averages about 30-35mpg
say 30gal a month at $5 $150
or 30gal a month at $4 = $120
Bolt will get at least 3miles per kwh. real world seems like 3.1 to 3.5 is reasonable.
my all in cost is about 15cents per kwh thats delivery taxes etc.. its actually slightly cheaper if I use more as some of the fees dont scale.
so at 3miles per kwh thats $50 in electricity. for 1000 miles.
And pretty sure 200hp bolt is at least as fun to drive as a 135hp elantra.
Now still need something that can tow and go at least 120miles while towing.. which I dont think the bolt would quite make it even if it could tow.
for example in my jeep the mpg goes from 25-28 to 15mpg when towing it.
Might just do both trade in the elantra which is worth 4000 more than paid for new in oct 2020.
and trade in the jeep on a 2023 cx-50 possibly.
take it everywhere local commute plug in for cheap.
car averages about 30-35mpg
say 30gal a month at $5 $150
or 30gal a month at $4 = $120
Bolt will get at least 3miles per kwh. real world seems like 3.1 to 3.5 is reasonable.
my all in cost is about 15cents per kwh thats delivery taxes etc.. its actually slightly cheaper if I use more as some of the fees dont scale.
so at 3miles per kwh thats $50 in electricity. for 1000 miles.
And pretty sure 200hp bolt is at least as fun to drive as a 135hp elantra.
Now still need something that can tow and go at least 120miles while towing.. which I dont think the bolt would quite make it even if it could tow.
for example in my jeep the mpg goes from 25-28 to 15mpg when towing it.
Might just do both trade in the elantra which is worth 4000 more than paid for new in oct 2020.
and trade in the jeep on a 2023 cx-50 possibly.
Big selling point according to my real estate agent on a home I sold a few months ago was it is set up with two 240 volt garage outlets and one for the driveway.
Your 240V outlet is a big deal, especially if adding one requires upgrading your service panel. Older houses may have 60A (or something like that) service. Big bucks...
In Silicon Valley companies looking for employees advertise subsidized of even free charging. And perspective candidates ask for charging. Been this way for years...
It would be stupid to not pre-wire for this, most of the money is in the ditch anyway. It may be a selling point because many homes are not set up for this, but it's not terribly hard to add after the fact.
My "welder outlet" scaled nicely into a subpanel and service for my Prius Prime.
EVs are the ideal vehicle for local use and all but the longest commutes for people who are able provide a 240 Volt charger at their home parking space. That accounts for a big percentage of vehicle use in North America. And most families have more than 1 vehicle. So if people adopted EVs for that purpose alone, the need for ICE vehicles would fall dramatically and pretty seamlessly.
As for "can the electricity grid support it?" question, well why not? The grid might need upgrading here and there and a lot of charging may have to be done in off hours - whatever that means. Evening out the day's energy demand would even be good for the power companies. And we will almost certainly need nuclear power which means we'll have to find a way to dispose of nuclear waste.
Having just finished a 4,100 road trip in our Tesla Model 3 in western Canada (of all places) without problems, I can say they're not bad on a long road trip either.
PS And if people have only a 60 Amp electrical service in their home, it's time for an upgrade anyway.
As for "can the electricity grid support it?" question, well why not? The grid might need upgrading here and there and a lot of charging may have to be done in off hours - whatever that means. Evening out the day's energy demand would even be good for the power companies. And we will almost certainly need nuclear power which means we'll have to find a way to dispose of nuclear waste.
Having just finished a 4,100 road trip in our Tesla Model 3 in western Canada (of all places) without problems, I can say they're not bad on a long road trip either.
PS And if people have only a 60 Amp electrical service in their home, it's time for an upgrade anyway.
I added two 240V circuits to the garage 15 years ago to run the table saw and dust collector.
At the time, I thought, “nobody will ever care about having these”, so I viewed the expense as a loss in terms of ROI, but I needed them, so in they went.
Now, I’ll be certain to point that out when listing the house.
What is the issue with that? they likely went inside, or are sitting in the cool comfort of the car.
If it was me, i’d be in the backseat, catching some z’s.
If it said 55% is the tipping point I would say okay but 5% come on.
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It could be a good thing.
We don't use stage coaches anymore.
Let's see when a charge takes 5 minutes or less.
We don't use stage coaches anymore.
Let's see when a charge takes 5 minutes or less.
Always beware of potential unintended consequences, as well as possible false senses of urgency.
In a country that is obsessed with instant gratification, fast food, delivered everything, constant and continuous contact, I dont think the general population is ready to wait for their car to charge or going out of their way to find a charging station. Maybe when charging becomes standardized and the infrastructure to charge quickly for people in apartments, townhomes and condos as well as those that have to park on the street become available and not just those with driveways and the electrical service capability. I have heard the argument that electric is perfect for city/suburban commuters/dwellers that make short trips but these are the very people who wont have access to charging. Imagine public charging stations in the city at 6PM when everyone needs to charge up for the week or next couple days, or charging stations in place of parking meters and parking garages with stations at every parking spot. Not going to happen in 5 or 10 years. I remember the lines and tempers and fights at gas stations in the early 70's and those lines moved quick compared to a charging station line.
More fake cheerleading. 5% tipping point my derrière. How long did it take for gasoline to become widespread & ubiquitous? Plus the fact that gasoline wasn’t vampiring supply from another market (homes, businesses, manufacturing)?
Sure, EVs seem great right now with subsidized stickers & subsidized charging. As subsidies sunset, power companies jack up everyone’s rates everywhere to support this new infrastructure, the EV will become at least as expensive as a gas vehicle to own & operate, plus you’re going to be paying an EV tax to replace the road tax. It will be long after many of our lifetimes before this country’s grid will support 200 million EVs. Plus, people are completely ignoring the fact that it takes moving & processing a HALF-MILLION pounds of Earth to mine a single EV battery, and that used battery components are quite toxic to the environment. At least plants can grow on the two byproducts of the ICE…
Sure, EVs seem great right now with subsidized stickers & subsidized charging. As subsidies sunset, power companies jack up everyone’s rates everywhere to support this new infrastructure, the EV will become at least as expensive as a gas vehicle to own & operate, plus you’re going to be paying an EV tax to replace the road tax. It will be long after many of our lifetimes before this country’s grid will support 200 million EVs. Plus, people are completely ignoring the fact that it takes moving & processing a HALF-MILLION pounds of Earth to mine a single EV battery, and that used battery components are quite toxic to the environment. At least plants can grow on the two byproducts of the ICE…
What will EV owners do when this hits our shores? It’s not like you can “hoard” electricity…
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/germany-energy-rationing
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/germany-energy-rationing
Thank you! My dad doesn't seem to think there is an issue. I don't care if gas is $11 a gallon. I still don't want an electric vehicle. If you could charge in 3-4 minutes and have a full battery I'd see it. The Tesla semi is good to take forever and a day to charge.
Fake cheerleading due to sales in California are affecting the real averages across each state. Also, Norway, with their trillion dollar slush fund subsidizing EV’s, is a fake model to try emulate. The sales will come, but it won’t be as fast as the professional EV spin doctors say.
that day WILL Come! They could also ban gasoline/diesel fuels as another way to extinguish ICE vehicles if you thought you could hide your classics in the back woods or caves somewhere.
Gas stations were not common in the early 1900s either. Your time frame of ten years might be off. You guys can kick and scream-and come up with a lot of "what if scenarios" but the EVs are coming as sure as I am typing this......
Tesla just opened up their nation-wide charging infrastructural to to other EVs as well.
