Unusual Jury summons.

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Here in FL, you are presumed guilty for a photo offense, unless you provide the info of the driver actually responsible. Can't do that? Assumed you did not excercise enough due diligence and found guilty. Completely not due process in any sense, but photo tickets are a total money grab and nothing more.

The fix for revenue cameras is a hardball round from a rifle.

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted by Garak
Here, they are under the provincial legislation, and decidedly not civil. There is a company involved in running the cameras, but the tickets are issued and signed by a police officer under the same sections as if you were pulled over on the road and ticketed in person. The only difference is they cannot identify the driver, so the driver is not charged, but the registered owner as the responsible party, who gets no points on his license.


Here, these are strictly civil impositions and can therefore be ignored.
There is actually a village in our county that got sued and was ordered to pay back around three million dollars in these photo radar scam "fines".
Whatever agreement the village had with the company (probably a specially set up corp or LLC) actually doing the work and giving the village a cut of the take apparently evaporated, so the village is on the hook for a whole lot of money.
Ohio has had a varied legislative and judicial past WRT photo radar and red light cameras. For a while, they were allowed but jurisdictions using them would get no state road funds. They're coming back here and there, particularly in Dayton.
You have no idea how bad I feel telling some correction officer that he'll have to pay one of these "tickets" because he was driving a state car while he would and could have ignored it had he been driving his personal vehicle.
Maybe the state should simply tell these vendors to find another pigeon?

 

[Garak]

I may have even heard about that. I do follow enough car magazines, or perhaps came across it on the web. We've had one or two get thrown out here in court. One guy one his case because the time in the school zone photo radar was clearly wrong. It was night time, but showing a day time, and speed limits differ by time.

I generally don't like photo radar, but here, at least it's well marked and stationary, permanently mounted. There are a couple trailers (no vans here) that they use for high traffic construction zones, which, by their nature, are only transient.

 

[fdcg27]

The Ohio village that was successfully sued and is now on the hook for three million dollars is New Miami, in Butler County and near to us.
Another case involves the Village of Linndale in Cuyahoga County, IOW Greater Cleveland.
Linndale had run a manned speed trap on its less than quarter mile stretch of I-71, raising 80% of its budget through this speed trap as adjudicated through its Mayor's Court, this being an anachronism from the old days.
The speed trap and Mayor's Court were so notorious that the state legislature actually passed and the governor signed a bill dissolving this court, sending its cases to a nearby suburb.
Linndale now relies upon photo radar.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Clearly, the judgment wasn't large enough. Should have been $300 million.

 

[Garak]

I remember reading about some of that, too, I'm pretty certain. Municipalities existing for the sake of fine revenue are on thin ice. We had one in this province a number of years ago. The municipality still exists, but their police department got shut down. It was a one man police department where the daily routine was to basically run stationary radar right at the outset of a disproportionately slow speed zone, and give zero tolerance for anything over the speed limit. Obviously, it wasn't popular with the judges or the prosecutors for that matter.