Unloaded uhaul auto transporter Carlisle tire failure

[bullwinkle]

Going to pickup a vehicle using a rented uhaul auto transporter. Rear passenger tire failed. No vehicle loaded. Tire looks fairly new. Carlisle is the tire manufacturer.

Never had a tire failure on a uhaul. No spare tire provided. Waiting on uhaul roadside assistance. Uhaul unable to provide a ETA. I Am sure uhaul will try and charge me for this. Uggghh. On a i10 westbound entrance ramp in Deming, NmView attachment 237714View attachment 237715

It could be an optical illusion-but those tires don't look aligned? Like the front tire is pointing to the passenger/right side a little?

 

[SwampSurvivor]

It could be an optical illusion-but those tires don't look aligned? Like the front tire is pointing to the passenger/right side a little?

The equalizers do weird things with axle alignment when one axle is dropped all the way like this.

 

[I<3oil]

A lot of Carlisle is made in China now. On all the RV forums, the Chinese tires are called "china bombs" due to how crappy they are. Goodyear Endurance, Hercules, and Hartland are about the only good trailer/camper tires nowadays.

 

[I<3oil]

I think Carlisle just recently rebranded to Carlstar, so that should be a fairly new tire.

Correct; less than a year old.

The Carlstar Group, a leading supplier of specialty tires and wheels, debuts its brand transition from Carlisle branded tires to Carlstar branded tires at the Agritechnica Expo 2023 in Hanover, Germany. Building on a legacy spanning over a century, the company is embarking on a brand evolution. Products once branded as Carlisle will now proudly bear the Carlstar name.

 

[DuckRyder]

U-haul has some nicely made and designed equipment, unfortunately it’s all usually tired and shagged out… can’t make revenue on something under maintenance…

I never had much problem with them trying to charge me for stuff though, i usually take the insurance though.

 

[ls1mike]

Thanks for all the kind words. Big screw in the tire. Back on the interstate. Will update if I get a bill.

That sucks. I picked up on in my travel trailer once and didn't realize it was getting low and it blew! Luckily it didn't blow up on you.

 

[ls1mike]

A lot of Carlisle is made in China now. On all the RV forums, the Chinese tires are called "china bombs" due to how crappy they are. Goodyear Endurance, Hercules, and Hartland are about the only good trailer/camper tires nowadays.

I disagree. I have been running them on my trailers for 15 years. The Radial Trail HD is one of the best tires you can get. The new Goodyears are horrible. They are getting by in name alone. I have seen more people complain about those than any other tire.

 

[I<3oil]

I disagree. I have been running them on my trailers for 15 years. The Radial Trail HD is one of the best tires you can get. The new Goodyears are horrible. They are getting by in name alone. I have seen more people complain about hose than any other tire.

I would say there's more complaints about GYE due to a lot more people running them than the others. So, as usage goes up, so will complaints potentially.

Like was just talked about, Carlisle is now Carlstar, and they've moved quite a bit of production overseas to China in the last year. The Carlisle tire of 5 years ago is not the same as the Carlstar tire made since 2023 with the switch. On the RV forums and FB pages, there are far more complaints about Chinese made tires than anything else, whether Carlstar or another brand. There are the occasional GYE complaints, as well as some people have Hercules and Hartland complaints, but nowhere near the overseas brands.

If we're talking pre-2023 Carlstar made in the US, I would agree wholeheartedly with you. Post-buyout and moving production, they're on the stay away from list right now, at least those made in China. The still made in USA ones are probably still great but unless you can look at them on the shelf and verify, you're getting luck of the draw.

 

[ls1mike]

I would say there's more complaints about GYE due to a lot more people running them than the others. So, as usage goes up, so will complaints potentially.

Like was just talked about, Carlisle is now Carlstar, and they've moved quite a bit of production overseas to China in the last year. The Carlisle tire of 5 years ago is not the same as the Carlstar tire made since 2023 with the switch. On the RV forums and FB pages, there are far more complaints about Chinese made tires than anything else, whether Carlstar or another brand. There are the occasional GYE complaints, as well as some people have Hercules and Hartland complaints, but nowhere near the overseas brands.

If we're talking pre-2023 Carlstar made in the US, I would agree wholeheartedly with you. Post-buyout and moving production, they're on the stay away from list right now, at least those made in China. The still made in USA ones are probably still great but unless you can look at them on the shelf and verify, you're getting luck of the draw.

My observation on the RV board is that there a lot of old folks just parroting things that have been repeated for years. My good friend retired from the Navy has an Outdoors RV TT, brand new in 2023 his Goodyears had to be replaced under warranty due to bubbling and one blowout. He has had the Calstars on there for 8000 miles now (he is full timing). All trailer tires are junk, the China Bomb thing is people complaining without actually having had them on their trailer or taking care of them properly.

 

[I<3oil]

My observation on the RV board is that there a lot of old folks just parroting things that have been repeated for years. My good friend retired from the Navy has an Outdoors RV TT, brand new in 2023 his Goodyears had to be replaced under warranty due to bubbling and one blowout. He has had the Calstars on there for 8000 miles now (he is full timing). All trailer tires are junk, the China Bomb thing is people complaining without actually having had them on their trailer or taking care of them properly.

And this is why data analysis and statistics are so important. Everyone has anecdotal evidence.

On the RV/camping FB pages I'm on, you can't go a day without 2-3 people posting about their tires blowing up. The vast majority are Chinese made tires, regardless of manufacturer. Now, could it be they aren't keeping them inflated enough? Sure. Could it be they ran over something in the road? Sure. Could it be blah blah blah? Sure. But at the end of the day, the vast majority of them are made in China.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

A lot of Carlisle is made in China now. On all the RV forums, the Chinese tires are called "china bombs" due to how crappy they are. Goodyear Endurance, Hercules, and Hartland are about the only good trailer/camper tires nowadays.

I have a theory on that.
It's not the Chinese tires that are failing. It's the owners that are failing the tires.

They pull their camper out of storage, never check the tire pressure or the bearings and hook it to their diesel pickup with 1000 ft/lb of torque and immediately hop on the highway with the thing loaded to the gills and set the cruse at 80 MPH on a 95 degree day and wonder why tires blow up. Modern trucks can maintain 80MPH all day, every day.

Older trucks would slow down if they sniffed a hill within 50 miles. You just didn't see the conditions of running super high speeds for extended periods of time. Every 10-15 minutes, you'd end up dropping to 45 on a hill giving the tires and bearings a chance to cool down.
And people used to be better about maintenance and checking tire pressure.

 

[RedSpider]

Clickbait thread title. This wasnt a tire failure, you ran over a big screw.

 

[I<3oil]

I have a theory on that.
It's not the Chinese tires that are failing. It's the owners that are failing the tires.

They pull their camper out of storage, never check the tire pressure or the bearings and hook it to their diesel pickup with 1000 ft/lb of torque and immediately hop on the highway with the thing loaded to the gills and set the cruse at 80 MPH on a 95 degree day and wonder why tires blow up. Modern trucks can maintain 80MPH all day, every day.

Older trucks would slow down if they sniffed a hill within 50 miles. You just didn't see the conditions of running super high speeds for extended periods of time. Every 10-15 minutes, you'd end up dropping to 45 on a hill giving the tires and bearings a chance to cool down.
And people used to be better about maintenance and checking tire pressure.

That also plays into it as well.

 

[c502cid]

The tire in question says Made in USA right on it but it didn't fail from defects in the tire.

 

[ls1mike]

I have a theory on that.
It's not the Chinese tires that are failing. It's the owners that are failing the tires.

They pull their camper out of storage, never check the tire pressure or the bearings and hook it to their diesel pickup with 1000 ft/lb of torque and immediately hop on the highway with the thing loaded to the gills and set the cruse at 80 MPH on a 95 degree day and wonder why tires blow up. Modern trucks can maintain 80MPH all day, every day.

Older trucks would slow down if they sniffed a hill within 50 miles. You just didn't see the conditions of running super high speeds for extended periods of time. Every 10-15 minutes, you'd end up dropping to 45 on a hill giving the tires and bearings a chance to cool down.
And people used to be better about maintenance and checking tire pressure.

This is accurate. The tires I have are rated to 81 MPH, but I rarely go over 65 unless I am on a long straight patch of highway.

 

[2heeldrive]

Those car haulers are one of the best things U-Haul has. Cheap too. Get the insurance, I think it was $9.00. I took one to Omaha and back (400 miles R/T) a few weeks ago. Worked great.

Trailer tires take a lot of abuse. You are lucky you caught it early. It is very hard to tell when a trailer tire goes flat... until it starts coming apart!

 

[I<3oil]

The tire in question says Made in USA right on it but it didn't fail from defects in the tire.

Anything made by a human can fail at anytime for any reason. lol

 

[02SE]

A lot of Carlisle is made in China now. On all the RV forums, the Chinese tires are called "china bombs" due to how crappy they are. Goodyear Endurance, Hercules, and Hartland are about the only good trailer/camper tires nowadays.

Had Michelin X Multi T2 215/75R17.5 J tires on the 5th wheel toy hauler. Great tires in my estimation.

 

[ThatNavyGuy]

Always love a good U-Haul horror story and there are plenty out there. Glad to hear no one got hurt.
Rented that same car trailer last month to pick up a car I bought for my daughter. The inertia brake was set way too sensitive and it made for an extremely uncomfortable drive home and a sore neck the next day from whiplash.
Told them about the problem when I returned it, they said they would check it out. Got in my truck and received a phone call, and while I’m sitting there in the parking lot I watch them hook it up to another customer’s truck.

 

[Danno]

The thing that caught my attention was the "cry" stains. They should not be there if the lug nuts are correctly torqued. That wheel was removed recently and reinstalled and not retorqued. You may have saved yourself a bigger issue with having the flat tire.
Like a wheel off event.