United States produces more crude oil than any country, ever

It seems consistent with the rate of accumulation during early 2000's.

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Sort of. It bottomed at about 600M barrels and was back to almost full in 4 years.

Were starting at 350M barrels and at the rate over the last year we will be back to full in approximately 14 years.

Bit of a difference I presume you would agree.
 
How much of the US and off shore areas are restricted, and how much could the restricted areas produce?
The bigger issue is NIMBY but here you go. Coastal communities don't want a repeat of Deepwater Horizon. Within the interior there is going to be restrictions on public land which consists of a huge portion of land west of the Mississippi River.

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The problem we have isn't the production of crude, it's refinery capacity and the locations of the refineries make them vulnerable to being knocked offline due to severe storms. However, gas is currently $3.25/gal at Costco for 87, I don't find that unreasonable....but all it takes is a storm in the Gulf to cause a disruption.
The other problem is the US government doesn’t sequester oil produced by Mobil or Shell on US land. It’s sold on the world market to the highest bidder. Add to this that some oil must be exported due to refinery capacity/ability to process particular types of crude oil, and I don’t know why people think oil produced in the US would have to stay in the US when all it does is add to the global supply.
 
The bigger issue is NIMBY but here you go. Coastal communities don't want a repeat of Deepwater Horizon. Within the interior there is going to be restrictions on public land which consists of a huge portion of land west of the Mississippi River.

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Here is the strange part - all those press briefings that Thad did was a teleprompter loaded by bp - why?
The regulator is technically weak.
 
The SPR was never intended to be a tool to manipulate price. Its supposed to be for national security.

If the SPR was a business they would be investigated for what happened in the last couple years and the FTC would split it up. The Hunt Brothers were convicted for doing the same thing to Silver, a much less important resource.
Did we ever draw on it a single time the +20 years we were at war in the Middle East? Just asking, because I keep hearing it’s for a national security and that was the longest war in history. If it wasn’t needed then, when?
 
I believe there is a law in place that was part of the 2018 Tax breaks as well as laws from 2015/2016 that mandates ~½ of the oil destine for the SPR MUST be sold. This decision to do this in 2018 was made because those tax breaks resulted in a $2.5T deficit. You can’t fill something when law requires you to sell ½ of it. If this law is not still in place, please let me know. This is not meant to be a peeing contest of tribalism but I have not seen anything about repealing this law and I’m just interested to know what the current status is now but it appears sales were mandated through 2027.

https://www.upi.com/Energy-News/201...sale-of-strategic-oil-reserves/2991518184250/

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=35032
From your article above "Recent legislation has directed the sale of more than 100 million barrels of oil from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) in U.S. government fiscal years (FY) 2022 through 2027. "

We sold 350M barrels in 18 months instead of 100M barrels in 5 years.

So no - not about that. There was agreement to lower the SPR by a small amount over a longer period of time. I recall those discussions. The idea was that this could be reversed or the SPR refilled if we had a massive drop in price - like we did at the start of Covid for example. Would have been the ideal time to refill.

In addition to the SPR being for direct national security - its also good to have a buffer so in the event production is not used, there is a place to store some. Its very harmful to turn an oil well off abruptly. It permanently damages the well and possibly the whole formation if its all turned off at once.
 
Did we ever draw on it a single time the +20 years we were at war in the Middle East? Just asking, because I keep hearing it’s for a national security and that was the longest war in history. If it wasn’t needed then, when?
We haven't that I am aware. Its more likely that a disruption would be internal anyway (terrorist attack on a pipeline or something) rather than external.

Still, if we as a nation decide it is no longer needed, then it should be turned over to a non- partisan entity to liquidate in the manner best serving the US taxpayer - like the GSA - not directly by the executive branch.
 
From your article above "Recent legislation has directed the sale of more than 100 million barrels of oil from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) in U.S. government fiscal years (FY) 2022 through 2027. "

We sold 350M barrels in 18 months instead of 100M barrels in 5 years.

So no - not about that. There was agreement to lower the SPR by a small amount over a longer period of time. I recall those discussions. The idea was that this could be reversed or the SPR refilled if we had a massive drop in price - like we did at the start of Covid for example. Would have been the ideal time to refill.

In addition to the SPR being for direct national security - its also good to have a buffer so in the event production is not used, there is a place to store some. Its very harmful to turn an oil well off abruptly. It permanently damages the well and possibly the whole formation if its all turned off at once.
From the second article - isn’t this roughly where we are at now? Around 410M? That article was written in 2018 and it makes it sound like several acts of Congress necessitate its continued drawdown over time.

"Recent legislation has directed the sale of more than 100 million barrels of oil from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) in U.S. government fiscal years (FY) 2022 through 2027. Based on legislated sales established in multiple acts of Congress, the SPR could decline by about 40% in the coming decade while still meeting requirements for petroleum import coverage. Assuming no other legislation over this period, the SPR could decline from 695 million barrels at the start of 2017 to about 410 million barrels at the start of 2028."
 
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The other problem is the US government doesn’t sequester oil produced by Mobil or Shell on US land. It’s sold on the world market to the highest bidder. Add to this that some oil must be exported due to refinery capacity/ability to process particular types of crude oil, and I don’t know why people think oil produced in the US would have to stay in the US when all it does is add to the global supply.

Apparently some of the oil we produce in the US can't be refined into gasoline at US refineries either, so it's useless to us.
 
Sort of. It bottomed at about 600M barrels and was back to almost full in 4 years.

Were starting at 350M barrels and at the rate over the last year we will be back to full in approximately 14 years.

Bit of a difference I presume you would agree.
It's currently faster than the rate from 2000-2002 and more inline with 2002-2008. Would we be saying the same thing back then? I mean what can one reasonably expect within an 18 month period?

It was running in the negative from 2017 - 2020 before the pandemic caused the first draw down and then various military conflicts involving global producers.

Beside, IMO, the SPR exists solely to temporarily reduce the impact of price shocks rather than serving some national security purpose involving the defense of the nation against an attack.
 
Apparently some of the oil we produce in the US can't be refined into gasoline at US refineries either, so it's useless to us.
Actually + when the numbers support it - US refineries can and have blended heavy oil with gas condensate - we can call in Triple_Se7en, for a FrankenCrude (love ya, man = just playing around) … 😉
 
Did we ever draw on it a single time the +20 years we were at war in the Middle East? Just asking, because I keep hearing it’s for a national security and that was the longest war in history. If it wasn’t needed then, when?
IIRC the SPR was only to be used for national emergency, and to supply the current (at the time of date) usage rate up to 30 days. This would (supposedly) keep the country intact energy-wise until other control and usage could be enacted. Right now it’s being used as a sort of “capacitor” to keep energy price spikes level. We did not need it at all in the Middle East because at that time the fuel/oil needed was provided by middle eastern countries involved.
 
It's currently faster than the rate from 2000-2002 and more inline with 2002-2008. Would we be saying the same thing back then? I mean what can one reasonably expect within an 18 month period?

It was running in the negative from 2017 - 2020 before the pandemic caused the first draw down and then various military conflicts involving global producers.

Beside, IMO, the SPR exists solely to temporarily reduce the impact of price shocks rather than serving some national security purpose involving the defense of the nation against an attack.
Its not about fighting a war, and its also not about price. It was set up after the oil embargo in 1973 - when there were shortages and you couldn't buy gasoline at any price, although the idea had been discussed by every administration post WW2.

It would be a reasonable argument to say that the SPR is no longer needed given we produce so much locally now. Thats possibly true - but then it should be turned over to agencies to be sold appropriately, not used as a price manipulation tool of government.

The storage itself helps the industry a lot as well. We could turn over or lease the storage space back to someone to manage privately as well.

https://www.energy.gov/ceser/spr-or...math of the,one billion barrels of petroleum.
 
From the second article - isn’t this roughly where we are at now? Around 410M? That article was written in 2018 and it makes it sound like several acts of Congress necessitate its continued drawdown over time.

"Recent legislation has directed the sale of more than 100 million barrels of oil from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) in U.S. government fiscal years (FY) 2022 through 2027. Based on legislated sales established in multiple acts of Congress, the SPR could decline by about 40% in the coming decade while still meeting requirements for petroleum import coverage. Assuming no other legislation over this period, the SPR could decline from 695 million barrels at the start of 2017 to about 410 million barrels at the start of 2028."
That article is very poorly written - or purposely biased. Better to just go to the source.

The budget deal in 2017 enabled the sale of $2B in oil to help fund among other things modernization of the SPR - whatever that is given its a cave in the ground. It also allows them to stop if its harmful to the strategic directive.

The SPR is 714M barrels - so at $80 a barrel at current prices it would be $57B, so $2B is about 4%. There were however other times they agreed to sell oil to pay for things. The government provides a list - link below.

So in general - there was no plan to sell 50% of the SPR in 18 months. This was decided purely by one branch on their own accord.

Sec. 404. up to $2 billion of oil from the SPR and for deposit of the proceeds of the sale in the Modernization Fund. It also prohibits sales under this authority if such sales would limit the ability of the SPR to meet its strategic purpose of preventing and reducing the adverse impacts of severe domestic energy supply interruptions. S

The law: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/RU/RU00/CPRT-114-RU00-D001.pdf?Source=GovD

The DOE outlays all sales for the SPR here:

https://www.energy.gov/ceser/histor...ection 403 of the,FYs, commencing in FY 2018.
 
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That article is very poorly written - or purposely biased. Better to just go to the source.

The budget deal in 2017 enabled the sale of $2B in oil to help fund among other things modernization of the SPR - whatever that is given its a cave in the ground. It also allows them to stop if its harmful to the strategic directive.

The SPR is 714M barrels - so at $80 a barrel at current prices it would be $57B, so $2B is about 4%. There were however other times they agreed to sell oil to pay for things. The government provides a list - link below.

So in general - there was no plan to sell 50% of the SPR in 18 months. This was decided purely by one branch on their own accord.

Sec. 404. up to $2 billion of oil from the SPR and for deposit of the proceeds of the sale in the Modernization Fund. It also prohibits sales under this authority if such sales would limit the ability of the SPR to meet its strategic purpose of preventing and reducing the adverse impacts of severe domestic energy supply interruptions. S

The law: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/RU/RU00/CPRT-114-RU00-D001.pdf?Source=GovD

The DOE outlays all sales for the SPR here:

https://www.energy.gov/ceser/histor...ection 403 of the,FYs, commencing in FY 2018.
Thank you for doing the leg work here…I’m busy at work negotiating with little terrorists but I’ll read this when I have a chance later tonight.
 
The problem we have isn't the production of crude, it's refinery capacity and the locations of the refineries make them vulnerable to being knocked offline due to severe storms. However, gas is currently $3.25/gal at Costco for 87, I don't find that unreasonable....but all it takes is a storm in the Gulf to cause a disruption.
Whoa! Add a buck for CA.
 
So it is being refilled, thank you for the confirmation.
Looking at the data only confirms the foolishness of the original policy choice to deplete it. If you look at the data against historical norms, it’s typically in the high 600 mm range. Now it is in the high 300mm range. Some of us object to the “strategic” petroleum reserve being used as the “political” petroleum reserve. Filling it up again after depleting it for nakedly political purposes does not undo the foolishness of the original policy.
 
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