Truth is coming out on Iraq Anti-War Movement

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Originally posted by JohnBrowning:

People always accuse the USA of being oil mongers! Well if you look around even though we consume a lot of crude our oil and gas prices are some of the best around the world! We do not have an exclusive supplier! We buy from the same people that the rest of the world buys from! Even if we were oil mongers the rest of the world benifits far more then we do!


The majority of our sources are in decline while at the same time our needs are rising. The middle east is the only source able to meet our expected needs. Unfortunately, the rest of the worlds needs are also rising and they can only be met by middle east oil. Soon there will not be enough supply to meet the needs of everyone so he who controls the last supplies can continue to grow while the rest of the world must contract.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/013004_in_your_face.html

The Russians know it and are making preparations to seize the oil fields at a later date. They do not have the same immediate need as the US so it best suits them to bide their time until the appropriate time. The Chinese also know it and will be making their play for their share which the Russians probably will allow as they will need their help.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/7840497.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/11/china.moscow/index.html

And we know they know.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2004/01/30/rtr1236247.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/december01/mdefense_12-13.html

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Keith and Mystic, thanks for the kind thoughts. Just an update, my surgery worked out fantasticly leaving me healthier thanI had been in years. I only wish things could work out so well with everyone with illness.
 
Saddam's Gifts
Document: Saddam Supporters Received Lucrative Oil Contracts
By Brian Ross

Jan. 29 ABCNEWS has obtained an extraordinary list that contains the names of prominent people around the world who supported Saddam Hussein's regime and were given oil contracts as a result.

All of the contracts were awarded from late 1997 until the U.S.-led war in March 2003. They were conducted under the aegis of the United Nations' oil-for-food program, which was designed to allow Iraq to sell oil in exchange for humanitarian goods.

The document was discovered several weeks ago in the files of the Iraqi Oil Ministry in Baghdad.

According to a copy obtained by ABCNEWS, some 270 prominent individuals, political parties or corporations in 47 countries were on a list of those given Iraq oil contracts instantly worth millions of dollars.

Today, the U.S.Treasury Department said that any American citizens found to be illegally involved could face prosecution.

"You are looking at a political slush fund that was buying political support for the regime of Saddam Hussein for the last six or seven years," said financial investigator John Fawcett.

Investigators say none of the people involved would have actually taken possession of oil, but rather just the right to buy the oil at a discounted price, which could be resold to a legitimate broker or oil company, at an average profit of about 50 cents a barrel.

List Includes Prominent Names

Among those named: Indonesia President Megawati Sukarnoputri, an outspoken opponent of U.S.-Iraq policy, who received a contract for 10 million barrels of oil ? about a $5 million profit.

The son of the Syrian defense minister received 6 million barrels, according to the document, worth about $3 million.

George Galloway, a British member of Parliament, was also on the list to receive 19 million barrels of oil, a $90.5 million profit. A vocal critic of the Iraq war, Galloway denied any involvement to ABCNEWS earlier this year.

"I've never seen a bottle of oil, owned one or bought one," Galloway said in a previous interview with ABCNEWS.


According to the document, France was the second-largest beneficiary, with tens of millions of barrels awarded to Patrick Maugein, a close political associate and financial backer of French President Jacques Chirac.

Maugein, individually and through companies connected to him, received contracts for some 36 million barrels. Chirac's office said it was unaware of Maugein's deals, which Maugein told ABCNEWS are perfectly legal.

The single biggest set of contracts were given to the Russian government and Russian political figures, more than 1.3 billion barrels in all including 92 million barrels to individual officials in the office of President Vladimir Putin.

Another 1 million barrels were contracted to the Russian ambassador to Baghdad, 137 million barrels of oil were given to the Russian Communist Party, and 5 million barrels were contracted to the Russian Orthodox Church.

Also on the list are the names of prominent journalists, two Iraqi-Americans, and a French priest who organized a meeting between the pope and Tariq Aziz, Saddam's deputy prime minister.

The following are the names of some of those who, according to the document, received Iraqi oil contracts (amounts are in millions of barrels of oil):

Russia
The Companies of the Russian Communist Party: 137 million
The Companies of the Liberal Democratic Party: 79.8 million
The Russian Committee for Solidarity with Iraq: 6.5 million and 12.5 million (2 separate contracts)
Head of the Russian Presidential Cabinet: 90 million
The Russian Orthodox Church: 5 million


France
Charles Pasqua, former minister of interior: 12 million
Trafigura (Patrick Maugein), businessman: 25 million
Ibex: 47.2 million
Bernard Merimee, former French ambassador to the United Nations: 3 million
Michel Grimard, founder of the French-Iraqi Export Club: 17.1 million

Syria
Firas Mostafa Tlass, son of Syria's defense minister: 6 million

Turkey
Zeynel Abidin Erdem: more than 27 million
Lotfy Doghan: more than 11 million

Indonesia
Megawati Sukarnoputri: 11 million

Spain
Ali Ballout, Lebanese journalist: 8.8 million

Yugoslavia
The Socialist Party: 22 million
Kostunica's Party: 6 million

Canada
Arthur Millholland, president and CEO of Oilexco: 9.5 million


Italy
Father Benjamin, a French Catholic priest who arranged a meeting between the pope and Tariq Aziz: 4.5 million
Roberto Frimigoni: 24.5 million

United States
Samir Vincent: 7 million
Shakir Alkhalaji: 10.5 million

United Kingdom
George Galloway, member of Parliament: 19 million
Mujaheddin Khalq: 36.5 million

South Africa
Tokyo Saxwale: 4 million

Jordan
Shaker bin Zaid: 6.5 million
The Jordanian Ministry of Energy: 5 million
Fawaz Zureikat: 6 million
Toujan Al Faisal, former member of Parliament: 3 million

Lebanon
The son of President Lahoud: 5.5 million

Egypt
Khaled Abdel Nasser: 16.5 million
Emad Al Galda, businessman and Parliament member: 14 million

Palestinian Territories
The Palestinian Liberation Organization: 4 million
Abu Al Abbas: 11.5 million

Qatar
Hamad bin Ali Al Thany: 14 million

Libya
Prime Minister Shukri Ghanem: 1 million

Chad
Foreign minister of Chad: 3 million

Brazil
The October 8th Movement: 4.5 million

Myanmar (Burma)
The minister of the Forests of Myanmar: 5 million

Ukraine
The Social Democratic Party: 8.5 million
The Communist Party: 6 million
The Socialist Party: 2 million
The FTD oil company: 2 million
 
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Originally posted by GROUCHO MARX:
The good thing is that Saddam was in a box and that the oil for food thing was working! (roll eyes)

Too funny. It was only as matter of time until the UN fixed this mess (more eyes rolling).

Keith.
 
Does this mean that you were against the war because of economic gain, the list, and you were for the war because of economic gain, i.e. Haliburton?
 
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Originally posted by needtoknow:
... you were for the war because of economic gain, i.e. Haliburton?

Is that the same Halliburton that President Clinton awarded no bid contracts to after the Kosovo liberation?

Last time I checked, Halliburton is the world leader in providing energy services. They are accountable and receive more than the usual level of scrutiny, which is a good thing.

Perhaps we could use them to find out where the money went from the UN's so called "oil for food" program. Apparently there are $billions unaccounted for and the people of Iraq didn't see much of it. Isn't that of more interest?

Keith.
 
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Originally posted by jsharp:
ALS, do you have a link for this story? I tried the ABC news site but couldn't find the artice.

If it is I'm amazed ABC is reporting it...


Sorry found the post on an Eastern European message board run by communists. I have found they in most cases lean to the right of the U.S. main stream media.
 
I assume you are of the opinion that the U.S. is "evil" because we tried to get folks to do what they should have done of their own free will. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Now, Al, who are we to say what other people 'should' do? Are we supposed to drage the rest of the world, kicking and screamimg, into our fold?
 
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Originally posted by MarkC:
I assume you are of the opinion that the U.S. is "evil" because we tried to get folks to do what they should have done of their own free will.

Now, Al, who are we to say what other people 'should' do? Are we supposed to drage the rest of the world, kicking and screamimg, into our fold? [/QB][/QUOTE]

Exactly.......and why should the rest of the world, tell us what to do, or what not to do? Why should they try to make us as worthless as they are?

Mark...I finally agree with you. Call guiness.
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Originally posted by MarkC:
Now, Al, who are we to say what other people 'should' do? Are we supposed to drage the rest of the world, kicking and screamimg, into our fold?

I think anyone or country has the right to tell others what is right. For instance I might want to tell a friend who eats 2 bags of potatoe (Remember Al Gore
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We didn't "drag the rest of the world, kicking and screamimg, into our fold"
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Al, it was the genius Dan Quayle who couldn't spell potato.
We did beat several governments over the head to get their support for this war, and I know for a fact that just because a country's government supports it, doesn't mean the majority of it's people do; Japan is a case in point.
We can offer advice, but the choice of government should belong to those being governed.
 
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Originally posted by MarkC:
Al, it was the genius Dan Quayle who couldn't spell potato. .

So stupid of me. But you know I really don't hold that against him. Everyone makes mistakes. To slam the man over a simple mistake shows where we are headed. Politicians are criminally raiding the treasury, and using fraudulant accountant practices that would make Enron mighty proud. Politicians lie and take bribes 24 hours a day and are not even slightly accountable to the "People"
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And if truth be known-I actually spelled it wrong bf I corrected it
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Show me a man who spells potato "potatoe" and I'll show you an honest man
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Originally posted by Al:
Show me a man who spells potato "potatoe" and I'll show you an honest man

If you have seen the video, you will see that Quayle knows the correct spelling, but just reads out the incorrect spelling off a cue card with a confused look on his face.

Nonetheless, it is amazing how some meaningless moments achieve infamy. Al Gore Jr. never said he invented the internet, but neither should he have taken credit for its development. The strangest moment has to be millionaire Al Gore Jr. complaining that his mother-in-law can only afford dog medicine. What compassion! Hopefully I never treat my family like that. Break open the wallet, Al.

Keith.
 
Let me add two more stories that I found.

1. 40 Russian Firms Accused of Hussein Ties

Jan 30, 2004

40 Russian Firms Accused of Hussein Ties

The Moscow Times More than 40 Russian companies, including entities linked to the Russian Orthodox Church, the Communist Party and the Liberal Democratic Party, allegedly took part in an illegal kickback scheme for trading Iraqi oil under Saddam Hussein's regime, according to documents obtained by Baghdad-based newspaper al-Mada.

"Almost all Russian companies that worked in Iraq [were involved in this]," said Fakhri Karim, the editor of the recently created newspaper, in an interview with Vremya Novostei published Thursday.

"There are Russian diplomats of a very high level, too," he said.

Vremya Novostei published last weekend a list of more than 270 people and organizations from 46 countries including Russia, France, China, Italy, Austria, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates, who allegedly took part in a scheme to trade contraband Iraqi oil in breach of the United Nations regulated oil-for-food deal.

The newspaper says it based its list on documents obtained from the Iraqi Oil Ministry.

Iraq's Governing Council on Wednesday ordered an investigation into al-Mada's allegations.

On Thursday, the Orthodox Church called its inclusion in the list "nonsense."

"This is some kind of nonsense. I have no other word for this," Metropolitan Kirill, the head of the Orthodox Church's external relations department told reporters Thursday, Interfax reported.

"Nothing of the sort happened and could not have happened."

LDPR chief Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who was a vocal supporter of the Hussein regime, has also denied having taken part in the scheme.

"The Communist Party took part. I was told this by several representatives of the Iraqi Foreign Ministry," he said, Interfax reported.

"But I did not get one dinar, one dollar from Hussein."

A spokesperson from the Communist Party has also denied the allegations.

An al-Mada employee told Vedomosti that the list of entities taking part in the scheme also included representatives of the Chechen administration, Yabloko and Emercom.

Emercom, a trading company affiliated with the Emergency Situations Ministry, was accused by Western diplomats back in the summer of 2002 as having taken part in a kickback scheme for Iraqi oil.

At the time, the ministry denied any wrongdoing and said Emercom had not violated UN regulations in its dealings with Iraq.

A spokeswoman for Yabloko denied the allegations in an interview with Vedomosti.

Karim told Vremya Novostei that the affair was casting a pall over Russia's relations with the current Iraqi administration.

L Copyright 2002, The Moscow Times. All Rights Reserved

Story 2.

Saddam's Cash
From the May 5, 2003 issue: And the journalists and politicians he bought with it.
by Stephen F. Hayes

Editor's note, 1/30/04: On January 25, 2004, a daily newspaper in Iraq called al Mada published a list of individuals and organizations who it says received oil from the now-deposed regime. Among those listed is Shakir al Khafaji, an Iraqi-American from Detroit, who ran "Expatriate Conferences" for the regime in Baghdad. Al Khafaji also contributed $400,000 to the production of Scott Ritter's film "In Shifting Sands." Finally, al Khafaji arranged travel and financing for the "Baghdad Democrats"--Jim McDermott, Mike Thompson and David Bonior--last fall. Following the trip, al Khafaji contributed $5,000 to McDermott's Legal Defense Fund. THE WEEKLY STANDARD has contacted McDermott's office about returning the contribution. McDermott spokesman Mike Decesare said this morning that he had not yet spoken with McDermott, since it's three hours earlier on the West Coast. Asked about the contribution and the subsequent allegations about al Khafaji and oil, Decesare said, "I don't know anything about it." THE WEEKLY STANDARD will post a response from McDermott's office as soon as we get one. In the meantime, it's worth taking a second look at "Saddam's Cash."


SCATTERED AMONG the loose papers and bound files unearthed last week at the Iraqi Foreign Ministry in Baghdad was "letter no. 140/4/5," labeled "Confidential and Personal" and addressed to "The President's Office--Secretariat." The letter concerns George Galloway, a pro-Saddam member of the British Parliament, who founded a charity known as the Mariam Appeal, ostensibly to aid Iraqi children suffering under U.N. sanctions. The missive, from the Iraqi Intelligence Service, is a request that money be funneled directly to Galloway. It reads in part:

His projects and future plans for the benefit of [Iraq] need financial support to become a motive for him to do more work. And because of the sensitivity of getting money directly from Iraq, it is necessary to grant him oil contracts and special and necessary commercial opportunities to provide him with a financial income under commercial cover without being connected to him directly.

The letter further conveys Galloway's demand that "the name of Mr. Galloway or his wife should not be mentioned."

It also describes a meeting between Galloway and an Iraqi intelligence officer and states that Galloway sought to "ensure confidentiality in his financial and commercial relations with the country and reassure his personal security." Galloway, the letter went on, "needs continuous financial support from Iraq." He got it. Galloway "obtained through Mr. Tariq Aziz three million barrels of oil every six months, according to the oil-for-food programme. His share would be only between 10 and 15 cents per barrel. He also obtained a limited number of food with the Ministry of Trade."

The letter, discovered by David Blair, a Baghdad-based reporter for the London Daily Telegraph, and his Iraqi translator, was revealed early last week. The next day, the Telegraph reported that Galloway had asked for more money, something the regime initially said it couldn't provide.

Galloway denies everything. He says the documents were forged--perhaps by foreign intelligence or by the Daily Telegraph. In a move sure to galvanize his critics, Galloway issued his denials from his vacation home--worth $400,000--on the coast of Portugal.

The Galloway revelations surely help explain the ravings of a fringe British politician. But they are more important for what they reveal--or more precisely, remind us--about the Iraqi regime.

Saddam Hussein has a long history of bribing anyone who could help his regime--businessmen, diplomats, politicians, and journalists. Throughout the Iran-Iraq war, which lasted from 1980 to 1988, Saddam lavished Arab leaders with gifts and contracts in exchange for their support. Shortly before his 1990 invasion of Kuwait, he shipped 100 new Mercedes 200 Series cars to top editors in Egypt and Jordan. Two days before the first attack, he offered Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak $50 million in cash, ostensibly for grain. After the invasion, he sought to buy neutrality or at least complacency by promising Mubarak and other Arab leaders that he would forgive all Kuwaiti debts once Iraq annexed the tiny nation as its nineteenth province.

As the Galloway affair makes clear, these practices continued throughout the 1990s, despite the increased scrutiny of Iraq's financial dealings by the United Nations. Before the recent conflict, says Tareq al-Mezrem from the Kuwaiti Information Office, the Iraqi regime gave journalists luxury "villas in Jordan, Tunisia, and even Lebanon.

Some of the transactions were straightforward cash payments, often in U.S. dollars, handed out from Iraqi embassies in Arab capitals--luxury cars delivered to top editors, Toyotas for less influential journalists. "This was not secret," says Salama Nimat, a Jordanian journalist who was jailed briefly in 1995 in that nation for highlighting the corruption. "Most of it was done out in the open."

Other transactions were surreptitious or deliberately complex--coveted Iraqi export licenses for family members of politicians, oil kickbacks through third parties, elaborate "scholarship" arrangements. In a region where leaders count their fortunes by the billion and workers by the penny, such payoffs are common. The Saudis, of course, have financed public works throughout the Middle East and Africa. But no one played the game like Saddam Hussein.

The Galloway affair was triggered when a reporter happened upon a slim, blue folder at one of the 23 Iraqi ministries--a snowflake in the avalanche of information loosed by the removal of Saddam Hussein from power. Some of the regime's records no longer exist. Iraqi officials destroyed some before the war began. Coalition bombs wiped out others. Looters made off with more. Still, Bush administration sources say they have recovered enough Iraqi government and Baath party documents to fill 100 semi-trailers. "We're overwhelmed with information," says one Pentagon official. "It's going to take a long time to go through it all."

That process is just now beginning--a fact that is surely rattling nerves around the world.

IRAQ IS WINNING the battles in the propaganda war with
a modest media strategy, despite a multi-million dollar U.S. campaign featuring painstakingly choreographed briefings and Hollywood-style sets. Undeterred by America's elaborate media plan, Iraq is making its mark on the airwaves with its decidedly basic approach, media pundits say.

From a crude Baghdad set, Iraqi ministers each day knock down Western media reports and list their latest claims of conquest, sometimes wielding chrome-plated Kalashnikovs. Unlike America and its allies, theirs is a simple message delivered directly: "We will defeat the infidel invaders."

Despite poorly-lit surroundings and a sea of microphones often crowding the view, Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf has become something of a global television star . . .

Those words came from Reuters' European media reporter Merissa Marr on April 1, 2003, in a news report that despite the dateline apparently was not a parody. Marr either did not know or chose to ignore a crucial fact: Scores of journalists throughout the Arab world and Europe were on Saddam Hussein's payroll.

"For years, the Iraqi leader has been waging an intensive, sometimes clandestine, and by most accounts highly effective image war in the Arab world," wrote Wall Street Journal reporters Jane Mayer and Geraldine Brooks in an exposé published February 15, 1991. "His strategy has ranged from financing friendly publications and columnists as far away as Paris to doling out gifts as big as new Mercedes-Benzes."

That campaign continued until days before the regime was deposed. "If they're not bought and paid for, they're at least rented," says a top national security official, who adds that the administration has intelligence implicating big-name journalists throughout the Arab world and Europe.

"I could give you lots of names," says Tareq al-Mezrem. "Everyone knows them on the street. Everyone knows this information."

In a series of interviews conducted in Kuwait City and Washington in recent weeks, Arab journalists and media experts said the same thing. Several of those interviewed, with assurances of confidentiality, provided names, lots of them. If their reports are accurate, the Iraqi regime's "modest media strategy" so appealing to Reuters' Marr was actually an elaborate scheme to buy victory in the propaganda war with the United States.

"To lots of people, Saddam Hussein and his regime was a godsend," says a Washington-based columnist for a prominent Arabic-language newspaper. "Only a few journalists [in the Arab world] didn't take money from him."
 
Looks like a bunch of us were fooled;

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the
capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver
them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons
of mass
destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there
matters a great deal
here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear,
chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the
greatest
security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has
ten times
since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent
with the U.S.
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
destruction
programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of
mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the
region and he
has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of
mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his
weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and
nuclear programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In
addition, Saddam
continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the
cover of a
licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will
threaten
the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,)
and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant
and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has
ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction
and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and
chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven
impossible to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in
power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998.
We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical
and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash
course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I
believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands
is a real
and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively
to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons
within the
next five years ... We also should remember we have always
underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11
years, every
significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity.
This he has
refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence
reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weap ons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear
program. He has
also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including
al Qaeda members
.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein
will
continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical
warfare,
and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence
that Saddam
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for
the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a
brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents
a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone
to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's
response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real
..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Have a nice day!
 
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Originally posted by Bob Woods:
Looks like a bunch of us were fooled;

Bush signed up for the job, what others thought doesn't matter.

When Truman was in office, he had sign on his desk that said "The buck stops here."

Bush needs to grow up and be accountable for his actions instead of passing the buck. **** , he doesn't even do that, he lets others pass the buck for him.
 
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