Truck Double Standard

[SwampSurvivor]

Originally Posted By: expat
Speaking of Double standards
It seems Prius and Smart Car owners also come in to some flak ....often from the people that drive trucks.


A prius, provided you understand that the Lithium battery is NOT as clean as you think, isn't a bad purchase. I don't care for all of the added complexity and electronics, but they do have a low cost of ownership.

There is nothing smart about a smart car. Expensive, gets poor mileage ... There are numerous other city cars (even in the US!) that get better mileage and are cheaper to purchase and maintain.

 

[Mr_Incredible]

This is really killing me. People that get in a bother about other people being “wasteful” for buying a truck that never see’s work…What a joke.

America is built on excess. Huge, overarching, look-at-me, put-up-or-shut-up, I-have-money, excess. Whether it’s a supermodel wife, 22” arms, the most expensive house/watch/car, $1k suits, Italian shoes, or bro-dozer in the driveway that never has been even in a gravel parking lot…what’s it to you? What business is it of yours?

Don’t you hate it when someone judges you? Are you beyond scrutiny? Is your choice of (x) beyond reproach by everyone else’s standards? No. It isn’t.

So what’s it too what anyone else drives?

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: expat
Speaking of Double standards
It seems Prius and Smart Car owners also come in to some flak ....often from the people that drive trucks.


Only as long as they don't get all sanctimonious about it...

 

[DBMaster]

Originally Posted By: Mr_Incredible
Don’t you hate it when someone judges you?


Judge not, lest ye be judged.

How many in this country live by that? I am not claiming to be innocent, either. We all do it to an extent.

 

[expat]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: expat
Speaking of Double standards
It seems Prius and Smart Car owners also come in to some flak ....often from the people that drive trucks.


Only as long as they don't get all sanctimonious about it...


Just so long as you don't 'Roll Coal'

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted By: Mr_Incredible
This is really killing me. People that get in a bother about other people being “wasteful” for buying a truck that never see’s work…What a joke.

America is built on excess. Huge, overarching, look-at-me, put-up-or-shut-up, I-have-money, excess. Whether it’s a supermodel wife, 22” arms, the most expensive house/watch/car, $1k suits, Italian shoes, or bro-dozer in the driveway that never has been even in a gravel parking lot…what’s it to you? What business is it of yours?

Don’t you hate it when someone judges you? Are you beyond scrutiny? Is your choice of (x) beyond reproach by everyone else’s standards? No. It isn’t.

So what’s it too what anyone else drives?


Dude, you have a Z28 and Two Priuses...or is it Prii?
What in the...

Just kidding. Well said.

 

[spasm3]

I see both sides. I have a saturn and a large truck. When driving the truck, i have experienced on a number of occasions, a prius waiting until i'm close then pulling out in front of me and going really slow getting up to 30 mph while i'm slamming on the brakes to not run up the back end of them. I don't experience prius drivers doing this when i'm in the saturn or the elantra.
Having said that, i do have 1/2 ton pickups and suburbans tailgateme in the saturn even when i'm doing 5-10 over the limit in the right hand lane, I don't experience this when i'm driving the avalanche.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Miller88

A prius, provided you understand that the Lithium battery is NOT as clean as you think, isn't a bad purchase. I don't care for all of the added complexity and electronics, but they do have a low cost of ownership.

There is nothing smart about a smart car. Expensive, gets poor mileage ... There are numerous other city cars (even in the US!) that get better mileage and are cheaper to purchase and maintain.


Funny that only some of the very most recent prii have li-ion, others have NiMH. Best to check facts before saying things that aren't true.

How about a link disclosing the "dirtiness" of Li-ion? Lets see... Steel, aluminum and copper, some graphite, some small amount of VOCs and some metal oxides.

 

[LazyPrizm]

Originally Posted By: Miller88
In my experience, a lot of Prius drivers have no idea what they are doing.

They just "are" is the best way to put it. They have no idea they are in a car. They have no idea they are in motion. They don't know where they are going.

(quoted from the Prius thread that is HILARIOUSLY ongoing with this thread in the same sub-forum)

Maybe some day you can tell us what a Prius did to your family to make them earn your so much of your hate? I don't believe for a minute that these smug hippies you lose sleep over, who think their Prius has no environmental impact, truly exist in any substantial amount. At least any more than you'd like me to believe every person hauling air in a pickup is an insecure hayseed with more money than sense.

 

[SuzukiGoat]

Earlier today I was cruising down the interstate at 65 to save a little fuel and got passed by a prius who flipped me off. Then proceeded to sit in front of me tapping the brakes for four miles.

The rain picked up, and traffic slowly came to a stop, pulled into the muddy median, sprayed that prius down with mud as I crossed the two feet of muck onto the service road.

If a prius could go through waist deep water, I might own one.... not really.

What someone else drives is npne of my business, but if they ask I will always direct them to proven motor/trans combos rather than simply what claims the best mpg.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: expat
Speaking of Double standards
It seems Prius and Smart Car owners also come in to some flak ....often from the people that drive trucks.


Only as long as they don't get all sanctimonious about it...


Just so long as you don't 'Roll Coal'

Don't worry about us! We are good little citizens with only one diesel that sits in the shed most of the year and is all stock and emits no visible smoke of any kind...

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Mr_Incredible
This is really killing me. People that get in a bother about other people being “wasteful” for buying a truck that never see’s work…What a joke.

America is built on excess. Huge, overarching, look-at-me, put-up-or-shut-up, I-have-money, excess. Whether it’s a supermodel wife, 22” arms, the most expensive house/watch/car, $1k suits, Italian shoes, or bro-dozer in the driveway that never has been even in a gravel parking lot…what’s it to you? What business is it of yours?

Don’t you hate it when someone judges you? Are you beyond scrutiny? Is your choice of (x) beyond reproach by everyone else’s standards? No. It isn’t.

So what’s it too what anyone else drives?


Judge me all you want. I don't care, but let me throw this out just for a thought. What do you think would happen to gas prices if everyone in the country who owns a pickup sold them and replaced them with a compact car? Gas prices would plummet...don't tell me what others do doesn't effect me...

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: grampi


Judge me all you want. I don't care, but let me throw this out just for a thought. What do you think would happen to gas prices if everyone in the country who owns a pickup sold them and replaced them with a compact car? Gas prices would plummet...don't tell me what others do doesn't effect me...


Gas prices would not plummet, the sultans etc still want their income, the price would go up even more per gallon. Not to mention the state and local goverments that already tax fuel at a high rate, if you are using less they will have less tax income so the taxes per gallon would be raised.

 

[ddrumman2004]

Judge me all you want to as well. I'm proud to drive WHAT I have and not be limited in choices.

 

[whip]

Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I just don't want to hear them whine when gas prices go up!

Does the same apply to owners of V8 Mustangs and Camaros?

Originally Posted By: expat
There will of course always be a need for such vehicles, but if they are purchased just as a fashion accessory, then I tend not to be happy about it.

Is it OK to buy an SRT 300 as a fashion accessory? Nobody needs a 400hp family sedan.

Originally Posted By: DemoFly
I just literally can't understand spending 45k on a depreciating asset you refuse to use. Buy some land or a rental property or something.

Again, why does this only apply to trucks? A $45,000 car also depreciates.

Originally Posted By: NHGUY
If someone NEEDS a truck,fine,but 95 percent go unloaded with only one occupant most of the time.Wasteful.

As I said above, nobody needs a V8 family sedan. Monday thru Friday, most cars I see are driving around with one occupant. Also wasteful. What's the solution?

Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Let's all agree on something. No matter what people drive, most of them do it poorly.

This we can agree on!

Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
My beef is with the guy who drives around by himself in a lifted luxury truck just to show off. I could care less about what he drives, but its usually accompanied by a macho attitude and driving habits that are hazardous to others on the road. I could care less if you drive a big diesel truck that is straight piped, but rev it every chance you get to make noise, and blow smoke at people just to be a D-bag and we have a problem.

This attitude isn't exclusive to trucks. I've seen guys in sports/muscle cars acting the same way. Again, why the double standard?

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
So if you have seen an empty truck driving down the road during your commute, how do you really know what is used for? Seems awful judgmental to me.

This seems to be the norm. If a guy commutes in a truck to his job that doesn't need a truck, it's wasteful. Most people have no idea what the truck does on the weekends. It would be very interesting to see those that judge being judged by their own standards.

Originally Posted By: expat
Speaking of Double standards
It seems Prius and Smart Car owners also come in to some flak ....often from the people that drive trucks.

Even those that don't drive trucks are judgy about Prius drivers. It would seem we're wrong, no matter what we drive.

Originally Posted By: grampi

Judge me all you want. I don't care, but let me throw this out just for a thought. What do you think would happen to gas prices if everyone in the country who owns a pickup sold them and replaced them with a compact car? Gas prices would plummet...don't tell me what others do doesn't effect me...

Gasoline prices are affected very little by demand. Especially US demand. It's a global commodity, and the price is driven more by Wall street.

 

[gman2304]

A couple owns two vehicles. He a 1/2 ton 2 wd truck. She a v6 sedan. They decide in order to save money on gas he should buy a 5 year old fuel efficient sedan. They find and buy a 5 year old 4 cylinder sedan for $10,000. They get insurance on the new old car, they have maintenance needs, taxes, gas, repair costs etc on the new old car. The now rarely used truck got 18 mpg city but the new old car gets 30 mpg city. Considering the added costs of the new old car, how long will it take for the couple to be in the black with the new old car, given it gets a net gain of 12 mpg over the now rarely used truck? I know they're are lots of variables, but I'm sure you get the gist of it.

 

[expat]

Originally Posted By: ddrumman2004
Judge me all you want to as well. I'm proud to drive WHAT I have and not be limited in choices.





But you are!

You want a small economical work truck with a low bed height like the Suzuki Carry
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Suzuki_Carry_1989.jpg

Sorry your Nanny state won't let you.
How about a mid sized truck with an efficient 4 cyl TDI,
the EPA won't let you.
How about a plain Jane, low bed , 6 cyl , F150 with vinyl Floor covering?
The fashion police won't let you.

People buy what they are sold. We are SOLD Big, inflated, macho image, gas guzzlers because some white collar bean counter figures that's where the $ is.
It's cheaper to sell image than substance.

 

[DBMaster]

Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I just don't want to hear them whine when gas prices go up!

Does the same apply to owners of V8 Mustangs and Camaros?



It applies if you make a buying decision ignoring fuel economy.

 

[jimbrewer]

I don't know. Its a combination of things:

As one commenter pointed out, As absurd as a truck might be, its more likely to be driven out and about on a daily basis. An equally absurd sports car is just more likely to be in the garage at any given time. Out of sight out of mind.

There are more of them in more extreme configurations. Its a cresting wave, I would say. I doubt people would have much opinion about them if they were all extended cab base trim combinations.

They are just bigger than they used to be even three or four years ago. The regular-cab standard size truck seems inappropriate for a suburbanite. That's because it IS overkill 9 times out of ten. A 1999 version of that same truck,---not so much.

P.S. I bought a low-end 150 with vinyl flooring anyway, flauting the "fashion police" Its still too much truck. Thirty years ago, there was a thriving market for small trucks that cost about as much as the cheapest cars. Really handy vehicles. They are all at least $4,000 over the "cheapest car on the lot" price, and obsolescent to boot. So you really don't have much to choose from

 

[gman2304]

If everyone sold their trucks and bought compact cars there would be a lot of 'pre-aye' on the streets and highways with mattresses, fire wood, furniture, gas grills, 4x8 sheets of plywood, lawn equipment, etc, strapped to they're roofs. How safe would that be ?