Truck Double Standard

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Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Originally Posted By: Darwin1138
And I don't see anything uncool with a sports car, probably just the fact that you are announcing to the world that your naughty bits doesn't work anymore, but then again who cares if you can no longer have children, you have a sport car!!!!


ROFLMAO!!!


I figure all those lifted trucks are just making up for something, so it seems with either vehicle, you're overcompensating.



It bothers me that people care about the image they portray when driving their vehicle and buy a vehicle based on how it makes them look or are perceived. Madison Avenue controls you and you don't even know it.
Do what you want, drive your financed sports car, truck, SUV, luxury cars, and I'll keep driving my cheap rides to an early retirement, not caring what others think when they see me rollin
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Originally Posted By: DemoFly
I have yet to see a SINGLE Toyota Tundra tow anything other than a utility trailer.



This can be said for most trucks.

Add me as the #2 tundra you now know of that pulls something. In fact, I could make the case amongst folks that pull any distance for a 3/4 ton since my load is ~6,000 lbs. That's pretty rough on the 'yota. But I don't, because frankly I don't want anything bigger (plus this fascination to see how long I can keep it running!). But on a given tuesday, you'd have no idea, unless you look for clues like wear on the receiver, etc..

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Self image driven by ego and insecurity demands that some drive around in their 100k pickup, M-B, or sports car so they can look good to a certain demographic. They don't really need the vehicle they need to be SEEN in the vehicle.

It's Need vs Want. A constant struggle....


We have a pickup rather than a gas sipper because:
A) we fit in it (I'm 6'4", the wife is 6'1" and change)
B) we have two large dogs
C) If we need a new appliance or anything large (excepting basic necessities), we have to go get it, at least 2 and possibly up to 4 hours away. There's no Lowe's or Home Depot that will deliver here.
D) Anything bulky has to be taken to the dump, and
E) 4wd is a necessity here

If they made a 4WD/AWD that could do all that and got 30+mpg and wasn't a hybrid, I'd buy it.
 
Originally Posted By: meep
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
I have yet to see a SINGLE Toyota Tundra tow anything other than a utility trailer.



This can be said for most trucks.

Add me as the #2 tundra you now know of that pulls something. In fact, I could make the case amongst folks that pull any distance for a 3/4 ton since my load is ~6,000 lbs. That's pretty rough on the 'yota. But I don't, because frankly I don't want anything bigger (plus this fascination to see how long I can keep it running!). But on a given tuesday, you'd have no idea, unless you look for clues like wear on the receiver, etc..

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Around here, Fords, Chevys and Toyota Tacoma's get used hard. The only Rams I see getting used are older than 2005.

I just think it's weird that IMO the best production work truck doesn't get used for work.
 
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
I just think it's weird that IMO the best production work truck doesn't get used for work.


Oh my, that ought to spark some debate!

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Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
I just think it's weird that IMO the best production work truck doesn't get used for work.


Oh my, that ought to spark some debate!

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Can't debate the IMOs, man.

They ain't I.
 
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
Originally Posted By: meep
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
I have yet to see a SINGLE Toyota Tundra tow anything other than a utility trailer.



This can be said for most trucks.

Add me as the #2 tundra you now know of that pulls something. In fact, I could make the case amongst folks that pull any distance for a 3/4 ton since my load is ~6,000 lbs. That's pretty rough on the 'yota. But I don't, because frankly I don't want anything bigger (plus this fascination to see how long I can keep it running!). But on a given tuesday, you'd have no idea, unless you look for clues like wear on the receiver, etc..

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Around here, Fords, Chevys and Toyota Tacoma's get used hard. The only Rams I see getting used are older than 2005.

I just think it's weird that IMO the best production work truck doesn't get used for work.


The newest generation of "RAM" trucks seem to be wildly popular .... with the people that buy a truck for show. I have not sen a newer "RAM" doing any work unless it's a Chassis Cab tow truck or something.

GM and Ford still sell a lot of work trucks.

When I get a house, the Cherokee will start on pickup duty.
 
You know what I can't stand? All these people driving around in 4 door sedans all by themselves. They have a whole backseat back there and most of the time no one ever sits in it. It's so wasteful. They should've bought a Smart car if they only need to drive themselves around.
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Originally Posted By: exranger06
You know what I can't stand? All these people driving around in 4 door sedans all by themselves. They have a whole backseat back there and most of the time no one ever sits in it. It's so wasteful. They should've bought a Smart car if they only need to drive themselves around.
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You know, for years I drove around in a 4 door station wagon of all things, mostly going back and forth to work. Even when I drove the family around, the trunk was never more than half full.

Egads!
 
ALL my vehicles were bought used but well maintained. I'm looking at the window sticker of my 2005 4x2 Chevy Avalanche. The msrp was $37,175. It had 162,000 miles when I bought it in January from the original owner. I have all the repair history as well as all the maintenance records from day one. I have added 5,000 miles to it since I bought it. I'm getting about 17 mpg city. It was not financed and I gave him $7,000 dollars for it. I paid roughly 25% of what the msrp was new. Basically the same story on my wifes 2006 Toyota Avalon. All my vehicles are paid for. My house will be paid for in less than two years GLW. I haven't worked full time since 12/1/11. And I haven't had to raid my retirement account...yet. Both vehicles are relatively safe and dependable and I didn't have to break the bank to buy them.
 
A Focus is the smallest car I can tolerate, even when it's just me. I actually prefer it to the Fusion I traded for it in regard to the way it drives. I test-drove a Fiesta, and sat in a Smart Car, because I drive alone 90% of the time. Not going to happen. I was shoulder-to-shoulder with my passenger in the Fiesta, and that Smart Car looks like a snack for an 18-wheeler. Auto-mag reviews say that thing is a HANDFUL in gusty crosswinds, and from my experience at the car shows...the seats feel like cinder blocks. I have a certain amount of understanding about driving big sedans empty. Driving huge V8 crew-cab pickups around and NEVER hauling anything with them is what I don't understand.
 
This!

I could care less what you buy. But you come off being daft if you buy the 8MPG whatever and then I see your mug on CNN complaining that gas is $5/gal as if there is some divine right to low priced fuel.

It's also annoying when folks driving the large vehicles can't center them in parking spots. But I oblige their personal standards for parking by ensuring my passenger door is exactly the same distance from the line as is their drivers door.

After all, if that's their standard, who am I to argue and tell them they are wrong for not centering their vehicle in the parking spot
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Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I have no problem with people buying whatever they want. I just don't want to hear them whine when gas prices go up!

You make your bed, you sleep in it. You don't answer to me for using more resources than someone else. This is still America. We waste more than just about any nation on Earth.
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Let's all agree on something. No matter what people drive, most of them do it poorly.


That's one I'll happily agree to.

But we'll keep buying large trucks here....
 
The tall people issue is an urban legend.saw people fit in a original mini austin(70s)or a civic 78 but they had issue getting into a 70s corvette
 
They sure do look nice and intimidating as they ride three feet from the back bumper of my Mazda3. It's not like I can go anywhere in rush hour traffic, but I suppose it makes them FEEL like they're going faster.
 
Originally Posted By: whip
Why are trucks and truck buyers held to a different standard than cars and car buyers?


Its latent "bubba bashing".

The PC world cannot stand the stereotypical white-southern-rural-conservative-male that is often associated with being a pick up truck owner. Of course this is no where near the truth, but perceptions do come into play.

I know I am globally hated. I am a Christian, white, strait, rural, conservative working male who has never been on welfare or any other Government subsidy, and I do drive a pick up truck, LOL.
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The tall people issue is an urban legend huh.....I remember a dozen college kids fitting into a phone booth years ago also....seen a phone booth lately? I'm 6'4" tall and drive a big 4 door pick up. Why you ask? BECAUSE I CAN....and you haven't heard any of the owners in this thread whining about fuel prices. The ones who seem to care what it costs to fill OUR trucks up are the ones who are driving the smallest cars, and hypermiling down the Interstate driving 55 in a 70 zone. It just seems to you we're flying when we pass you doing the speed limit.
 
Originally Posted By: meep
I think it's more the dislike of image. Nobody fusses over a, '02 2wd F150 with 110,000 miles on it. Or trucks that are obviously worked. It's the mammoth miles of bed and chrome and lifts with not a single spot of mud beneath. the lifted trucks here that actually look they someone plays in them--- I think they are probably looked at "ok" too -- yes they put their time and money into it... but it's not necessarily for looks--- they are using it for their hobby. But if it's got all the bells and whistles, yet the bed is spotless and the bottom is all shiny black, (and it gets worse with HID and straight pipes) then it just goes downhill, because it starts to look like an image thing, and that's where folks get turned off.

A conservative truck buyer today is kinda doomed from the beginning too, thanks to some way over-masculine styling. Huge big-rig like grills on pretty much all of them, threatening front stance, drive-over-it looks-- no good for a guy that just wants a truck to drive to work during the week, tow a toy or two on the weekend, and enjoy the utility of being able to move things around for the family, bring lumber home, etc..

I have wondered if I sometimes get smirked at, as a truck owner. You'd never know I use it hard as a truck on the weekend, as I don't drive with the hitch ball in unless I'm pulling something. It's also a hobby, so I do little mods here and there. I'm also the guy who all the family members call if something needs to be moved, and it's ok. I do pay for it at the pump, every week. And after towing, I pay double at the pump. But a second car for commuting is even more costly, either in payments if it's new, or upkeep if it's older.

But yeah, even I look at the "shiny waste" I see often, sort of shaking my head, wishing trucks could be built and designed as tools rather than things that LOOK like they want to be seen.

I do get a little concerned about fuel waste. Our money spent on that stuff doesn't stay in the US, and that bugs me. But we all have to make our own decisions; I can't make the decision for the next guy -- just myself.



Well put.

I am a bit conflicted on this. On one hand, I am all for driving what you want to drive as long as you can afford it. It does bother me a little when people single out pickups as being wasteful when they won't make the leap to a micro-car, riding a bike, etc. Seems like they are deflecting their share of the blame for finite resource use on to someone else. I suppose most anti-truck people are not as offended by something like my Ranger due to its size relative to a car, but the "why would you drive that when you could drive a car?" or "are you a contractor or something?" stuff gets old. I can't remember any BITOGers buying a particularly flashy truck, but there's always those types of posts when someone buys one. I guess we should start asking anyone who buys a car with any sort of performance image if they will track the thing? In addition, the notion that a truck handles SO much worse than a car is a joke...like FWD cars are handling champions. Please. Driving any pickup built in the last 25 years is not like driving an F-1 with a three on the tree.

But on the other hand, I hate pickups as a trend, because you can't just get a normal freaking pickup anymore. Most of them are blinged out crew cabs with tons of gadgetry to break and be cost prohibitive to fix. I wish pickups were less trendy so the focus would be more on being excellent, but affordable work vehicles. The market will demand what the market wants, but I also think the power of marketing is stronger than people realize, and of course manufacturers are going to push people towards something more profitable.

I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too, at least not anymore. Personally, I think light trucks were at their best in the mid 1990s. That's just me though. They were very utilitarian then, but had enough features to make them comfortable as daily drivers without the price getting astronomical. And non-pickup people weren't all up in arms about them then either.
 
Originally Posted By: exranger06
You know what I can't stand? All these people driving around in 4 door sedans all by themselves. They have a whole backseat back there and most of the time no one ever sits in it. It's so wasteful. They should've bought a Smart car if they only need to drive themselves around.
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When I commuted to work on my motorcycle I'm sure I got lookie loos who thought I was wasting gas on a poker run.
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Since my Virago got 51 MPG vs 40 in my Saturn, I saved about a nickel a day, which went into tires and that tiny little license plate.
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