Trimethylolpropane Ester in Additive

[TallPaul]

Rislone Upgrade (15 oz bottle) MSDS lists 15 to 25 percent Trimethylolpropane Ester (CAS 11138-60-6). So you woudl get about 3 oz ester if you use this additive. Questions:

1) Is trimethylolpropane ester a good thing to have in your oil?

2) Is three ounces of TE going to do squat in a 5 or 6 qt fill of oil?

The other and major component of Upgrade is 1-Decene, Homopolymer, Hydrogenated (CAS 68037-01-4).

Can see the rest here.

 

[Motorbike]

Hey Paul , a good find there . Whats the price ?

Not sure what performance it gives but it's got the good stuff in there .

Wish some of these additive companies would leave the VII's out though

 

[TallPaul]

Don't know the price. I have never seen it in the stores. Their Winter Start (75% synthetic) goes for about $3 a bottle so this stuff may be similar. Can buy direct from the company.

 

[Motorbike]

I just saw it is 30 bucks for a six pack of 15 ounce bottles less shipping .

If the additives are not concentrated 1 quart of Synergyn to a low cost oil would be better IMO .

 

[TallPaul]

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Originally posted by Motorbike:
I just saw it is 30 bucks for a six pack of 15 ounce bottles less shipping .

If the additives are not concentrated 1 quart of Synergyn to a low cost oil would be better IMO .

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Yeah, too pricy. I will continue to pursue the 25 cents an ounce Redline oil as an additive. Maybe 1 to 2 oz per quart.

What is Synergen, an oil or an additive?

Why doesn't anybody make an ester additive with the majority ester?

 

[Pablo]

I just imagine that synthetic ester may be an escape artist or a heck of a cleaner if used in a big enough dose..........

 

[MolaKule]

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1) Is trimethylolpropane ester a good thing to have in your oil?

2) Is three ounces of TE going to do squat in a 5 or 6 qt fill of oil?

The other and major component of Upgrade is 1-Decene, Homopolymer, Hydrogenated (CAS 68037-01-4).

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1. Yes. It is the most used ester in full synthetic formulations.

2. NO. At 1% concentrations, it would not do much.

This appears to simply be a full synthetic motor oil repackaged as an OTC additive.

BTW, they mispelled Ester. Esther is the name of a Biblical character.

 

[TallPaul]

So the whole business of "Start Up" protection from polarized (ester) oil molecules is more or less marketing smoke and mirrors.

 

[MolaKule]

You got it! Now esters do provide lower temperature protection and better flow, along with friction reduction, but you need about 20% or more to really show a significant difference.

 

[TallPaul]

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Originally posted by MolaKule:
Esther is the name of a Biblical character.

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or this:

 

[TallPaul]

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Originally posted by MolaKule:
At 1% concentrations, it would not do much.

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I believe you recently posted that 5 to 10 percent Ester would provide significant friction reduction effects. But what level is required to get start up protection? Would that pretty much be inseparable from the friction reduction effect?

 

[MolaKule]

 

[TallPaul]

Have to give credit where credit is due. It was Fuel Tanker Man who posted that image over in the thread Attracted by Ester

 

[MolaKule]

A minimum of 7% for friction reduction.

Startup wear is reduced by AW additives like ZDDP, Moly, or high calcium levels or medium boron levels.

An oil that will flow well at startup would provide hydrodynamic lubrication, but if the oil film is thin, the AW adds would supplant those requirements.