Treadwright retread failure <500 miles. Thoughts?

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
He is insisting I said something I did not.


Not if it is the quote in question. I just quoted the exact same post above.

 

[userfriendly]

Don't lump all retreads together. The finished products from Bandag and Oliver look nothing like those TWs.
I only re-cap my own 3-ply side wall off-road type cases that I know the history of, and sometimes I get a rejected case due to a flaw.

When a case is rejected they drill a hole in the sidewall.

Videos are in this link www.bandag.com

 

[c502cid]

To the OP. Every internet forum has it's share of experts and know it alls. This one is no exception. Sorry about your bad experience but your reasoning for running these tires on your older truck is sound. On things I use once in a while, like tools, I often buy "good enough" for the task at hand, instead of the top dollar I'd spend on other things where good enough doesn't cut it.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
He is insisting I said something I did not.

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Describe, in detail and with links to sources, the data you used to come to the conclusion that retreaded tires "fail often".


I used the quote button to copy your exact post.. now you say you didnt say it??


No, you quoted my post, then claimed it said something it did not: in other words, a straw man.

Quote:
I am confused.. (yes really).

Perhaps you would like to describe in detail with links to your post, what you actually said? Since my quote button copied your post I concluded that was what you wrote? Perhaps you have a ghost writer who also uses your bitog account?


Deflection, not an especially good one.

Quote:
But back to my point I'm sure I could find a Cooper,Toyo, kumho, nitto, or some other Tire I like at a very close price to the recaps without the mystery carcass fail aspect.

For example DTD has an upto triple rebate sale coming up next week. could see total rebates in excess of $240

Basically your argument boils down to "I never had a problem with Treadwright tires therefore there are no problems with Treadwright tires"

Which is both false and laughable.


I will give you one thousand dollars if you can show where I posted that.

I used Treadwright for reasons having nothing to do with price. (The contrary: I could certainly have gotten tires for both my F-350s for less.) I run them because I have found they are good tires...and because they offer something no other tire does: their Kedge Grip for snow & ice. When the new wheels arrive, my wife's Blazer is getting the General Grabbers replaced by a set of Treadwrights. (They arrived today, in fact.)

 

[Nick1994]

Originally Posted By: c502cid
To the OP. Every internet forum has it's share of experts and know it alls. This one is no exception. Sorry about your bad experience but your reasoning for running these tires on your older truck is sound. On things I use once in a while, like tools, I often buy "good enough" for the task at hand, instead of the top dollar I'd spend on other things where good enough doesn't cut it.

Would have been only $130 more for the real tires. Actually that's for the updated KO2 version.

Sounds like it would have been money well spent.

 

[92saturnsl2]

Originally Posted By: c502cid
To the OP. Every internet forum has it's share of experts and know it alls. This one is no exception. Sorry about your bad experience but your reasoning for running these tires on your older truck is sound. On things I use once in a while, like tools, I often buy "good enough" for the task at hand, instead of the top dollar I'd spend on other things where good enough doesn't cut it.


Thanks man. I certainly didn't go into the purchase saying "hey I saved $100, everyone else's lives be [censored]!" Heck, I'm riding on the tires for crying out loud. There was a lot of logic put behind it-- usage, tread design, buying domestic, availability, prior experience with retreads, others' experience etc. I can't say I don't like saving money, but I always try to make sure I get a quality product for the money I spend. My only thoughts on this company is that they were purchased recently and moved to Houston from South(?) Dakota. There must be some cost cutting going on, or issues behind the scenes. Their extremely poor customer service (still have gotten zero response regarding the shoddy workmanship on the replacement tire) seems to corroborate that theory.

I get that people have their opinions, have at it. If nothing else, I hope someone runs across this post trying to weigh the same decision I was (new vs. Treadwright) and this provides more info for them to make a decision. That's what forums are for in my opinion. Seems TW's old retreads held up reasonably well (tons of positive reviews) but quality as of late is certainly questionable.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I wonder if what seems to be an across-the-board switch to the B2B remolds has had some downsides.

 

[c502cid]

Funny you mention them moving. I'm pretty sure they started out here in our home state, up in Berthoud. They used to run those small ads in the back of Four Wheeler magazine. They moved to South Dakota I'm guessing 10 years ago. I passed them heading up to Rapid City once, they were truly in the middle of no where. Probably got bought out by some investment group.

 

[fxrider]

Originally Posted By: Trav
I wouldn't put a retread on anything but maybe a wheelbarrow even if they were a gift. Get some decent tires man before you kill yourself or someone else.
agree

 

[92saturnsl2]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I wonder if what seems to be an across-the-board switch to the B2B remolds has had some downsides.


I wonder that as well. There's always the errant internet post where someone's older true-retread (non B2B) has failed, but it's amongst literally hundreds of positive reviews.

Seems failures are more common on the B2B models? I haven't seen enough reviews on them to make an educated guess. Amazon has more than anyone (B2B reviews) and they seem pretty split. That's pretty disconcerting when it comes to tires, but I realize people with positive results may not review a product as consistently as someone whose tire falls apart on the highway.

 

[Virtus_Probi]

Originally Posted By: 92saturnsl2


I wonder that as well. There's always the errant internet post where someone's older true-retread (non B2B) has failed, but it's amongst literally hundreds of positive reviews.

Seems failures are more common on the B2B models? I haven't seen enough reviews on them to make an educated guess. Amazon has more than anyone (B2B reviews) and they seem pretty split. That's pretty disconcerting when it comes to tires, but I realize people with positive results may not review a product as consistently as someone whose tire falls apart on the highway.



Do you think it's possible the tire they sent you to replace the failed one actually had a hole drilled in the side to signify it was a rejected casing?

 

[92saturnsl2]

Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Do you think it's possible the tire they sent you to replace the failed one actually had a hole drilled in the side to signify it was a rejected casing?


Possible but I think unlikely. The hole is only through the B2B sidewall veneer; you can see the used carcass underneath which appears intact. I suspect it will hold air fine, but I don't trust the sidewall molding/veneer to hold up long term with a hole in it.

My thought is that they sent me one of their blemished tires that wouldn't ordinarily pass the "new condition" test. Since this was was a warranty replacement, it seems plausible. Most people don't scrutinize their tires closely and would likely miss this sort of defect.

On the upside they are sending out yet another tire. It took five E-mails and a threat to contact the BBB and Colorado Attorney General, but at last they seem to be doing something. I only have a tracking number so far, which doesn't necessarily mean the tire is on its way.

The original four, I received tracking number next day, tires came almost six weeks later. Odd that the replacement blemish tire was sent right away. Still think there's something not-so-good going on behind the scenes with this company.

 

[userfriendly]

Too many illegals?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: 92saturnsl2
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Do you think it's possible the tire they sent you to replace the failed one actually had a hole drilled in the side to signify it was a rejected casing?


Possible but I think unlikely. The hole is only through the B2B sidewall veneer; you can see the used carcass underneath which appears intact. I suspect it will hold air fine, but I don't trust the sidewall molding/veneer to hold up long term with a hole in it.

My thought is that they sent me one of their blemished tires that wouldn't ordinarily pass the "new condition" test. Since this was was a warranty replacement, it seems plausible. Most people don't scrutinize their tires closely and would likely miss this sort of defect.

On the upside they are sending out yet another tire. It took five E-mails and a threat to contact the BBB and Colorado Attorney General, but at last they seem to be doing something. I only have a tracking number so far, which doesn't necessarily mean the tire is on its way.

The original four, I received tracking number next day, tires came almost six weeks later. Odd that the replacement blemish tire was sent right away. Still think there's something not-so-good going on behind the scenes with this company.


You probably did get a blem. There are many really-ugly defects that are only cosmetic issues. I think Liz may have ordered blems for her Blazer. (Or I misread the email, which I may have done.)

 

[Rand]

Ok one more time. There is no "strawman", unless you have "strawman" on the brain.

Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Describe, in detail and with links to sources, the data you used to come to the conclusion that retreaded tires "fail often".


Describe in detail and with links the data you used to come to the conclusion that retreaded tires "don't fail often".



Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle

No, you quoted my post, then claimed it said something it did not: in other words, a straw man.


In the post in question I didnt claim anything. You wanted non-existant links and proofs esp. since fail often is an opinion. What is "fail often" .5%,1%,5%
I was pointing out how absurd your comment was with my similarly worded comment that you should provide proof they DON'T fail often.. because as we can see in this thread and many recent reviews a significant number of Treadwright Tires DO have issues.


Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle

Over 400,000 mileson Treadwrights...no problems.


Yep since you had no problems.. there are no problems.. logical.

Back on topic
Next week
I could get
Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 for 180$*4 with at least 135$ in rebates or 585$

This is Mountain/snowflake highly rated all-terrain tire.

 

[Jarlaxle]

YOU are the one making the claim that retreads fail often. Therefore, the responsibility to back up that claim rests on YOU.

 

[OVERKILL]

One perspective:

Modern Tire Dealer article

Quote:
The only problem I had with the study was this statement: “The proportion of tire debris from retread tires and (new) tires is similar to the estimate proportion of retread and OE tires in service.”

Based on the percentage of new truck tires shipped and retreaded in the U.S. from 1998-2007, nearly 57% were new original equipment or replacement tires. Retreads represented 43.2%.

However, close to 68% of all the truck tire debris in the “Commercial Medium Tire Debris Study” was from retreads. Comparable results can be found in the other surveys.

Even if you take into account inconsistencies among retreaders across the country, and the predominance of retreads on trailers, the numbers still don’t match. Even if some of the OE tires are sitting on new trucks and trailers that aren’t selling, shipments over a 10-year period should factor that out.

But this minor discrepancy doesn’t change the findings of the study, which support the safety of retreaded tires, and discount the need for legislation.


Which indicates that while retreads fail at a higher rate than new tires, the rate itself is not high. Retreads, on commercial trucks (designed to be retreaded) do not fail often. Simply more often than new tires. But the difference is not huge.

On the other hand, I would be intrigued to see failure statistics for retreaded passenger car and light truck tires, tires that are not designed to be retreaded like those being discussed in this thread. I would wager that the failure rate would be significantly higher.

 

[Jarlaxle]

How much of the disparity is due to the fact that many retreads are badly-neglected trailer tires?

 

[OVERKILL]

No idea. It could be significant, but then again it might not be either. My main takeaway is that retread failure on tires designed to have their carcass used for that purpose is not a big issue. However, my contention with respect to tires not designed to be retreaded, like those being discussed in this thread, remains unchanged.

 

[FlyNavyP3]

Any update on getting another replacement tire?