Treadwright retread failure <500 miles. Thoughts?

[92saturnsl2]

Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
Has the new tire arrived? Any issues with the replacement?


Interesting you ask that. I received the replacement tire in record time; they had it shipped the next morning that they received my RMA request/photos. I appreciate their quick RMA service, however I'd be about as confident driving on the replacement, as I would the failed tire *without* its tread. For starters, the replacement tire looks nothing like the originals I received in fit and finish. The replacement has vent spews (the little rubber hairs) ALL OVER the tread. Much worse (in density) than a new 1980-1990's tire before manufacturers started trimming them. It is baffling; the originals (TW retreads) had few, if any of them.

DOT date code suggests the tire was made in the last few weeks, which was expected. The originals have a recent date code as well, so they are only a couple months or less apart. I have no way to explain the vent spews other than their RMA replacement tires are what they call "blemishes" (they sell blemished retreads on their site for even less) or perhaps they rushed this tire out the door...

The deal breaker for me was spotting a hole that went through the sidewall veneer (these are the bead to bead remolds) all the way to the carcass. That's unacceptable to me, the tire is still sitting on the garage and truck isn't moving until I get this resolved.

I emailed their RMA dept, and also filled out their online RMA form (both with pictures) and no word yet. It's been at least a week. They're probably devising some way to avoid the RMA by saying this is a cosmetic issue. I'd like some input from you folks as to whether or not you'd be concerned with the sidewall being in this shape (see pics below):

 

[Nick1994]

That tires is failing before it has touched the pavement.

Try to get a refund for all the tires and put a real set of tires on there. Not worth risking your life over.

 

[02SE]

I wouldn't run it. But I've already made my position clear on Treadwright retreads.

I'd try to get your money back, or sell them on craigslist, and get some quality NEW tires for less, especially if you hit the Black Friday deals from Discount Tire/ Discount Tire Direct.

 

[Jarlaxle]

All except the last pic are purely cosmetic things...but yeah, the last one concerns me. (This is one reason I prefer regular caps instead of bead-to-bead remolds.)

 

[stephen9666]

The "hairs" wouldn't bother me at all.

But there are unacceptable flaws in that tire. The hole and the gaps between the tread and sidewall are all concerns for me.

I've never bought retreads before, but I have read about Treadwright and thought they looked interesting. This whole thread has made it clear to me that I'll never buy them.

 

[Rand]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Describe, in detail and with links to sources, the data you used to come to the conclusion that retreaded tires "fail often".


Describe in detail and with links the data you used to come to the conclusion that retreaded tires "don't fail often".

 

[CapriRacer]

92saturnsl2,

Those photos look exactly like the rejects when I worked in the tire factory. We wouldn't bother to trim off the *vents* (You called them *spews*) and we would drill a hole in the sidewall so it couldn't be used - plus the condition was one we would have rejected.

I wonder if someone got their signals cross and sent you the wrong tire.

Let us know what happens.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Describe, in detail and with links to sources, the data you used to come to the conclusion that retreaded tires "fail often".


Describe in detail and with links the data you used to come to the conclusion that retreaded tires "don't fail often".


I never actually posted that. Would you like a tire iron to use on that straw man?

 

[Rand]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I never actually posted that.


I'm pretty sure you posted that?
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Describe, in detail and with links to sources, the data you used to come to the conclusion that retreaded tires "fail often".


Would you like to scroll up and look again?


but back on topic I would never run retreads on any vehicle that goes 70+ on the highway.

On a offroad vehicle no problem... esp with a fullsize spare.

Treadwright: basically you take a mystery carcass and throw a tread on it.. its not going to be as reliable as a new tire. You pretty much roll the dice they got reliable casings(that were never intended to be retreaded).

I can find plenty of good tire deals 5x or 6x a year within 10-20% of their price easily.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Reread what I ACTUALLY POSTED, not what you want to think I have posted.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Reread what I ACTUALLY POSTED, not what you want to think I have posted.


You actually posted:

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Describe, in detail and with links to sources, the data you used to come to the conclusion that retreaded tires "fail often".


Which is what Rand quoted. Where's the disconnect?

 

[Jarlaxle]

He is insisting I said something I did not.

 

[ET16]

Please don't sell that tire to anyone.

 

[chrisri]

Originally Posted By: bigjl
I have not seen or heard of a retread (we call them remoulds in the UK) coming apart like that in many, many years

London Taxis are often fitted with remoulded tyres and I have never heard of a failure, though speeds are likely to be low.

I think the fact it took a lot of effort to get it to balance up maybindicate hat there was a problem with the tyre from the start.


In Europe remoulding process is different. Whole tyre gets new layer, not only the treaded part.

 

[Rand]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
He is insisting I said something I did not.

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Describe, in detail and with links to sources, the data you used to come to the conclusion that retreaded tires "fail often".


I used the quote button to copy your exact post.. now you say you didnt say it??

I am confused.. (yes really).

Perhaps you would like to describe in detail with links to your post, what you actually said? Since my quote button copied your post I concluded that was what you wrote? Perhaps you have a ghost writer who also uses your bitog account?

But back to my point I'm sure I could find a Cooper,Toyo, kumho, nitto, or some other Tire I like at a very close price to the recaps without the mystery carcass fail aspect.

For example DTD has an upto triple rebate sale coming up next week. could see total rebates in excess of $240

Basically your argument boils down to "I never had a problem with Treadwright tires therefore there are no problems with Treadwright tires"

Which is both false and laughable.

 

[supton]

Originally Posted By: Rand

For example DTD has an upto triple rebate sale coming up next week. could see total rebates in excess of $240


True, but sometimes people need to buy tires other than a few select times of the year.

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted By: chrisri
Originally Posted By: bigjl
I have not seen or heard of a retread (we call them remoulds in the UK) coming apart like that in many, many years

London Taxis are often fitted with remoulded tyres and I have never heard of a failure, though speeds are likely to be low.

I think the fact it took a lot of effort to get it to balance up maybindicate hat there was a problem with the tyre from the start.


In Europe remoulding process is different. Whole tyre gets new layer, not only the treaded part.


The Treadwright tire pictured on this page, is a bead-to-bead remould.

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: Rand

For example DTD has an upto triple rebate sale coming up next week. could see total rebates in excess of $240


True, but sometimes people need to buy tires other than a few select times of the year.


The last time Teadwright's came up on this board, I provided a link to some brand new Cooper AT3's from Discount Tire Direct, in the same size and load range as the mystery casing Treadwright's which were being considered. There was no special Black Friday deals on them, (there was a deal to get a Visa prepaid card with a purchase of four, but that deal runs pretty much all the time) but they were still cheaper than the Treadwright's.

 

[92saturnsl2]

In load range 'E'? I find that hard to believe. Even with the popular VISA prepaid rebate available nearly year round, the only tires that were close in price were Chinese stuff, all highway tread. Hindsight is 20/20, would certainly have climbed off another hundred bucks and bought new, had I known just how common these failures have been lately, and how poor customer service at TW turned out to be.

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted By: 92saturnsl2
In load range 'E'? I find that hard to believe. Even with the popular VISA prepaid rebate available nearly year round, the only tires that were close in price were Chinese stuff, all highway tread. Hindsight is 20/20, would certainly have climbed off another hundred bucks and bought new, had I known just how common these failures have been lately, and how poor customer service at TW turned out to be.


In the recent thread I was referring to, the tire size in question was LT265/70R17 load range C. With the ubiquitous $70.00 off prepaid Visa card, the price was within a few cents of the mystery casing Treadwright's. There also happened to be another promo deal going at the time for using a Discount Tire credit card (this is also a very common promo) that reduced the price of the new Cooper A/T3's even further.

Next week for Black Friday, they usually have even better deals.

I just checked, the Cooper A/T3 in LT265/70R17 E, is $6.51 more per tire, than the LT 265/70/R17 C tire I mentioned. At the moment there are no promo's, but if history is any indication, that will change with Black Friday deals.