I think I only know of one person with solar. Maybe there are others, but it doesn't come up in conversation I guess. Then again, I don't get out much, BITOG is the most conversation I have all week.
TRADE your gas car for EV ?
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Not sure how to do multi-quote over multiple pages, but I find this odd.
And no, I don't find EV's "suck". Technology can be kinda cool. The notion of maximizing efficiency is pretty interesting, and then the discussion about system tradeoffs (is this best? or do we compromise here and get higher overall system efficiency?) can be fascinating.
The rest, well, starts to violate the RSP policy here I'm afraid, so I will leave it at that.
edyvw
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I think issues between CA, TX and Germany are quite different. We could go Into quite lenghts about why Germany is where it is, but that is different topic altogether. A lot of it is their fault, a lot is not. Energy issues in Europe cannot be now put into any long term perspective. Everything is revolving around how to supply this winter and someone somewhere is coming out with long term plans that are first and foremost prioritizing geopolitical issues.No, but when we are discussing the grid and the future, then it becomes quite relevant, despite most folks here, yourself included being "Joe Average Homeowner". The reality is, while it is the grid operator's duty to properly plan, politics are a huge driving force and this meddling can have fantastic and far-reaching consequences. California isn't having to implement rolling blackouts in the summer as a result of proper resource planningGermany has recently had to un-mothball a pile of coal plants, which is obvious as to why when you look at this:
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The reality as to the limitations of relying on VRE has hit like a punch from Tyson.
Local politics as well as national will and do have an impact. But no provider is bailing out of business. Tough luck. Other businesses are also regulated, and should be.
edyvw
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You are in NH. It is not prime real estate for it.
You started the thread. And no, we all don't agree. That's what forums are for.
OVERKILL
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I mean, Germany's anti-nuclear bent is absolutely their fault and they are feeling the result of that policy right now, as shown by the heavy reliance on coal and gas. They had 20GW of some of the best reactors ever built and operated and they destroyed them, quite intentionally.
Texas is different, yes, they aren't opposed to continuing to use fossil fuels, but their market system isn't conducive to adequate resource reserves and things like winterization.
California was absolutely going down the same path as Germany (hence the retirement of SONGS) but has changed course a bit, but also have the separate issue of PG&E.
edyvw
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Germany issues is really complicated, actually more so than here. It is all political. The key problem is the way EU regulates or doesn’t lobbying, which allows a lot of unknown money to go around.
As for nuclear bent, take into consideration that this is really, REALLY old issue that gained steam with deployment of INF. Later it was realized that most money for those movements was coming from USSR. They fell for it, and they were keeping falling for it later. I will leave it at that. I had this conversation with policymaker from Germany over whiskey until 5am last March. It goes well beyond energy supply.
Who cares?No, but when we are discussing the grid and the future, then it becomes quite relevant, despite most folks here, yourself included being "Joe Average Homeowner". The reality is, while it is the grid operator's duty to properly plan, politics are a huge driving force and this meddling can have fantastic and far-reaching consequences. California isn't having to implement rolling blackouts in the summer as a result of proper resource planning
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EV or ICE next……
No.
Wondering how long it will be until it's not my choice anymore...
Wondering how long it will be until it's not my choice anymore...
OVERKILL
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Lots of people. I would encourage you to simply ignore my comments if they extend beyond your scope of interest, rather than making asinine remarks.
I wish I could filter endless power grid stuff . You have some good stuff otherwise .
Never
I won’t bow to or fund bad science & outright lies.
I won’t bow to or fund bad science & outright lies.
OVERKILL
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I'm a person with a broad and diverse slate of interests, and power generation is a big one for me, so when that topic gets brought up, like it was in this thread, I tend to contribute, often with considerable blocks of text. As I said, if that's beyond somebody's scope of interest, it's quite easy to just skip over those posts. I appreciate that not everybody shares the level of enthusiasm I have or will find value in that information, but it is shared because there are plenty of people that do, and it often results in productive and perhaps enlightening conversation.I wish I could filter endless power grid stuff . You have some good stuff otherwise .
And you just might learn something. I have.
I find when someone says something I really find different, or that I disagree with, if I am willing to be a little bit open minded, I just might have a chance to learn something.
I have found that is what education does for you. I learned that from Tara Westover.
Friend, @OVERKILL has a breadth of knowledge based in education and work. His posts are steeped in logic and real world data which he presents. Whether or not I agree.
In fact, IMO, on balance, he needs the stupidest, dangerous and most insane car ever made. He needs a Plaid. I rest my case.
I could see it working for me in my current day to day life
A house waiting for me at home, free EV charging in the parking lot at work
I'm eligible for Employee Pricing @ GM through my job, I'm not sure how much I'd get off the $26,595 base MSRP, but maybe I can get a discount on some options I'd like
I recognize it's not for everyone yet, and it's not fair to have it forced upon you, but as a technology and driving experience, it is superior
Some economic realities and restrictions do apply, and our sorry infrastructure does need some upgrading
...but didn't we go through these growing pains over a century ago when it was Gas/Diesel/Steam/Electric or
and 
A house waiting for me at home, free EV charging in the parking lot at work
I'm eligible for Employee Pricing @ GM through my job, I'm not sure how much I'd get off the $26,595 base MSRP, but maybe I can get a discount on some options I'd like
I recognize it's not for everyone yet, and it's not fair to have it forced upon you, but as a technology and driving experience, it is superior
Some economic realities and restrictions do apply, and our sorry infrastructure does need some upgrading
...but didn't we go through these growing pains over a century ago when it was Gas/Diesel/Steam/Electric or
and 
Can`t afford it so its gonna be a no for me at this point. I live in flat complex and have to rent parking space outside, no chargers there. A parking space inside the complex cost 20.000-30.000 USD, don`t have the money. Since the insurance company demands own dedicated charger for EV, that is 2000-4000 USD to install. On top of that i would need to purchase the EV car itself. A lot of money adding up.
I won`t buy EV only to charge it on charging stations, inconvenient and also surprisingly expensive.
I won`t buy EV only to charge it on charging stations, inconvenient and also surprisingly expensive.
