TPMS went off today...picked up a nail...

[blue_goose]

Wife texted me this morning that the TPMS light was on again. Back passenger tire has seems to have developed a slow leak the last few months and the sensor has gone off twice...both times maybe a pound or 2 below 33.

Tonight I checked the pressure and it was down to 25.....checked out treads and discovered what looks to be a nail or piece of metal between the treads....I filled tire back up to 33 and in the morning she is going to swing by Sullivan Tire to have it patched.

That part seems easy enough as I'm sure they can patch it. Question is with the TPMS system are they going to try to sell her new sensors? Thought I read that manufactures "recommend" that they be replaced with each tire change or service.

Is this a must do? Tires have 37K on them


Thanks for any input


Oh car is a 2010 Honda Fit Sport (she has one too!)


Goose

 

[radtech91]

I have a '09 CR-V, got a nail in my tire. I took it to my Honda dealer, they patched it for free and just reset the TPMS light. You don't have to have the sensors replaced. I got a new set of Michelins put on, also at my local Honda dealer, and I still have my original sensors.

 

[sciphi]

The sensors are $150 apiece. I'd sure hope not.

They do recommend the stems be replaced at every service. Maybe that's what you're referring to.

 

[blue_goose]

Maybe it is the stem they are referring to.....going to the dealer is probably the way to go but she is crunched for time in the morning and Sullivan is on the way.....


Any idea on the going rate to patch a tire?



Goose

 

[radtech91]

Originally Posted By: Blue_Goose

Any idea on the going rate to patch a tire?


They told me it was supposed to be $6 at the dealer. Another local tire place around here charges $7.

Only reason I get my tires done at the local dealer is, that the local tire place doesn't know how to work on tires with the TPMS and they crushed 3 sensors in my last car, and then 2 the next time I went. Honda repaired them for free under warranty after both times but they told me to come to them from now on. The sensors for my Element were $89 a piece. Glad Honda took care of it. lol

 

[The motor guy]

I think they usually replace the valve stems when they replace your tires. But no reason to for a patch job.

 

[blue_goose]

Hoping that Sullivan doesn't do any crushing...they are a pretty large chain in this area that does see a lot of different cars.

That being said the other place we usually deal with, Town Fair Tire did always ask if I had TPMS on my HHR so it seams they are aware of them....


I hope



Goose

 

[The Critic]

Usually most places ask to rebuild the TPMS sensor at each tire change. They're about $5 for the kit and includes a new stem, washer and o-ring.

Around here, the going rate to patch a flat is about $25.

 

[NHHEMI]

Pull the nail, plug the hole, reinflate to proper psi. No need to even pull the tire off the rim.

 

[kkreit01]

The going rate around here is $10 - $25. Walmart is $10. I recently had a screw go through one of my 18" Silent Armors. The screw just missed the tread by about 1/2". I didn't trust Wal-Mart with this one, so I took it to the GY dealer I purchased the tires from (walked it in). They patched/plugged it, and it's been holding for 10 days. It was well worth the $17. I was afraid of having to spend $220+ for a new tire.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Pull the nail, plug the hole, reinflate to proper psi. No need to even pull the tire off the rim.


That is NOT safe.

You need to pull the tire to verify that there is not any damage with the tire, internally. Otherwise, you are putting your life and the lives of others at risk.

 

[greenjp]

Tire plugging tool with plugs & cement can be had at any auto parts store for
Not sure a small nail or screw in the tread would put lives at risk.

jeff

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Pull the nail, plug the hole, reinflate to proper psi. No need to even pull the tire off the rim.


That is NOT safe.

You need to pull the tire to verify that there is not any damage with the tire, internally. Otherwise, you are putting your life and the lives of others at risk.


Sorry but that is just flat out nuts. A screw or nail puncturing the tire does just that = puncture. It does not do damage that makes the tire unsafe( in the tread - was not the OP's issue in the tread? ). If you think a nail in the tread is going to lead to major internal tire damage I don't know what to say?

This has been the standard tire repair proceedure for a nail/screw forever. I have a tire on my truck now that picked up a screw over 10K ago that was plugged. It is doing just fine. No reason to go through the expense of pulling the tire and putting a patch on the inside. Just a waste of $$$ and time. The traditional tire plug repair is perfectly safe.

Not sure where you get your info but sometimes you come up with some real out there stuff.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Sorry but that is just flat out nuts. A screw or nail puncturing the tire does just that = puncture. It does not do damage that makes the tire unsafe( in the tread - was not the OP's issue in the tread? ). If you think a nail in the tread is going to lead to major internal tire damage I don't know what to say?

This has been the standard tire repair proceedure for a nail/screw forever. I have a tire on my truck now that picked up a screw over 10K ago that was plugged. It is doing just fine. No reason to go through the expense of pulling the tire and putting a patch on the inside. Just a waste of $$$ and time. The traditional tire plug repair is perfectly safe.

Not sure where you get your info but sometimes you come up with some real out there stuff.


An internal patch/plug type of repair is the only approved method of tire repair:

http://www.rma.org/tire_safety/tire_maintenance_and_safety/tire_repair/

When the OP's tire was driven around on 25 psi, we don't know if the tire sustained any damage from the low pressure. Also, if a tire is just "plugged" without the patch/plug combination, I don't know if the tire will retain its speed rating.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Sorry but that is just flat out nuts. A screw or nail puncturing the tire does just that = puncture. It does not do damage that makes the tire unsafe( in the tread - was not the OP's issue in the tread? ). If you think a nail in the tread is going to lead to major internal tire damage I don't know what to say?

This has been the standard tire repair proceedure for a nail/screw forever. I have a tire on my truck now that picked up a screw over 10K ago that was plugged. It is doing just fine. No reason to go through the expense of pulling the tire and putting a patch on the inside. Just a waste of $$$ and time. The traditional tire plug repair is perfectly safe.

Not sure where you get your info but sometimes you come up with some real out there stuff.


An internal patch/plug type of repair is the only approved method of tire repair:

http://www.rma.org/tire_safety/tire_maintenance_and_safety/tire_repair/

When the OP's tire was driven around on 25 psi, we don't know if the tire sustained any damage from the low pressure. Also, if a tire is just "plugged" without the patch/plug combination, I don't know if the tire will retain its speed rating.


New age paranoia to the extreme( not you personally ). A plug repair is perfectly fine. A tire that normally runs at 32-33 psi run at 25 briefly has not suffered any damage. You can pay to have the tire removed and patched from the inside if it makes you sleep better. I have had many tires repaired using the tried and true plug and it works fine.

 

[Scienceman]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Pull the nail, plug the hole, reinflate to proper psi. No need to even pull the tire off the rim.


+1 thats what we do.

 

[Silver_civic]

I have to say that I will check the tire's inside if a customer (work at a rental car place) drives/has drove the car with the tire flat. Pretty easy to tell as there will be a groove wore into the sidewalls and powdered rubber in the tire. I check the tpms sensor, but NO I wont replace the valve stem and o ring unless they are both leaking. Seems chryslers pot metal valve stems are junk. If someone leaves the cap off the valve stem and dirt and road salt get in there; valve stem tends to crack and I have had a lot of them already break off on me when I try to put air into a tire with that style.



Adam

the rubber style valve stem that GM and FORD use is a LOT BETTER design than pot metal valve stem.

 

[fdcg27]

+1
I have had tires repaired using the "approved" procedure, and I have also had tires plugged.
I've even plugged a couple myself on vehicles driven only by me.
I have never seen any difference between the two repair methods in actual use.
Theory is wonderful.
Empirical observation is what counts.
To say that one is unsafe is probably incorect.
Also, there aren't too many places in this country where the speed rating of a tire has any significance.
In this part of the country, you won't find anywhere that would allow sustained running at >85 mph, which is the minimum standard for any DOT street tire.
Traffic makes it impossible.

 

[Vikas]

I believe the rating degradation after a plug. But I don't know anyone who drives their H-rated tires at 130mph in USA.

- Vikas

 

[NHHEMI]

Vikas is dead on here. I didn't think the fact we don't have roads in this country that allow 130 MPH nor is this vehicle likely to see that speed anyway was needed to be said but apparantly it is.

This is a Honda Fit Sport we are talking about here not a Porsche on the Audobon(sp). It may come with an H rated tire but that is crazy to think that vehicle will be driven at 130 MPH. Can it even go 130 MPH? It has a 1.5L 117 HP/106 FTLBS 4 cyl engine( 2011 stats - might be different for the OP's 2010 ). Hardly a speed demon and a vehicle that requires H rated tires. Just part of the ricer targeted "sport" package on the vehicle.

Note to OP - nothing posted meant offensive over your choice of vehicle. Just pointing out a few things relevenat to the safety of using a plug repair.