Toyota’s stance on using a heavier weight oil

Nah. That is wishful thinking that I see on Toyota forums.
What they going to say? Hey remember that engine from 10yrs ago? You still have it?
Toyota overplayed its usual way of doing business. This ain’t first time they left owners hanging dry. Just ask owners of 2017 Highlander and Sienna AWD that had problematic transmissions.
Best advice for hybrid owners, besides not buying vehicle in the first place, is once out of warranty to switch to some Euro 40 grade and pray ever time they start engine.

No, I don't own a toyota so no wishing from me. It's the logical choice, though I'm not going to argue with you about it as I know better than to try and change your mind :censored:
 
No, I don't own a toyota so no wishing from me. It's the logical choice, though I'm not going to argue with you about it as I know better than to try and change your mind :censored:
Just saying I have seen that on their forums. Not saying that is your position.
For 4yrs they are arguing how Toyota will make it right. Also, let’s take into consideration that most people didn’t even get new engine, they got short block.
 
We don't know whether this is a design problem or a manufacturing problem.
In either case, Toyota should have known better having designed and built countless engines over the years.
All we know is that a serious engine problem has surfaced in these Toyotas.
It is up to Toyota to make this right and while this will be costly it would be more costly to brand reputational value not to do so.
I know that I would not be happy had I bought one of these vehicles, especially since I would have paid a premium for a truck of formerly unquestioned long-term durability.
 
Bring back the V8

Sadly it looks like only GM is the one taking the chance on new v8's. If they put a 6.6 in a half ton (which the rumours say they are), with no electric hybrid wizardry, and manage to fix their AFM/DFM nightmare, and 10 speed...... yeah as I'm typing it out it sounds less likely than it did in my head a second ago. But IF they did all that, I'd consider that for my next truck.
 
Sadly it looks like only GM is the one taking the chance on new v8's. If they put a 6.6 in a half ton (which the rumours say they are), with no electric hybrid wizardry, and manage to fix their AFM/DFM nightmare, and 10 speed...... yeah as I'm typing it out it sounds less likely than it did in my head a second ago. But IF they did all that, I'd consider that for my next truck.
They need to start painting their frames. That wax dip just doesn't cut it.
 
We don't know whether this is a design problem or a manufacturing problem.
In either case, Toyota should have known better having designed and built countless engines over the years.
All we know is that a serious engine problem has surfaced in these Toyotas.
It is up to Toyota to make this right and while this will be costly it would be more costly to brand reputational value not to do so.
I know that I would not be happy had I bought one of these vehicles, especially since I would have paid a premium for a truck of formerly unquestioned long-term durability.
The problem surfaced in 2018 in LS500.
I mean, it has been "surfacing" for 8 years.
 
Sadly it looks like only GM is the one taking the chance on new v8's. If they put a 6.6 in a half ton (which the rumours say they are), with no electric hybrid wizardry, and manage to fix their AFM/DFM nightmare, and 10 speed...... yeah as I'm typing it out it sounds less likely than it did in my head a second ago. But IF they did all that, I'd consider that for my next truck.
They do have a real opportunity here. Not that Toyota is any kind of competition in the truck segment, but they could knock out FORD too.
The question is what Stellantis does? Develop new HEMI or keep pushing this one.
 
They do have a real opportunity here. Not that Toyota is any kind of competition in the truck segment, but they could knock out FORD too.
The question is what Stellantis does? Develop new HEMI or keep pushing this one.

My guess... we don't see any new v8's other than from GM, and those are probably the last as well (other than in HD truck market which is a different thing altogether).

This hemi coming back is a very temporary thing due to the change in US politics, but we can all see the writing on the wall. EV mandates aren't going away (for better or worse, I'm not arguing that side of it, just that gassers ARE on their last legs).

I love my gas truck, but I'm not married to it anymore either. It's my first V8, and I love it, but its more than likely my last V8 unless my needs change or my truck doesn't last another 7 years. Once the Ram REV is here its game over as far as I'm concerned.

So for Ram, my bet is:
- they push the hemi as long as it works/makes sense
- they continue advancing the hurricane if/when needed
- series hybrids become the focus for the 2 to 15 year game plan, like the REV/ram charger
- somewhere in the future they release an EV when hemi no longer works in the rules they have to play by.

Rumour is that FCA was working on a new 5.0 or 5.5 V8 before the hemi program was canned a few years ago. It's possible they bring that program back, I'd be pleasantly surprised but first that program would actually have to have existed and second they'd have to bring it back and I just don't see that being too likely. The hemi can make anywhere from 400 to 1025 hp, a new V8 isn't going to advance the HP/performance side of things, and the hurricane is their current high tech/powered engine that already overlaps the performance of the hemi and gets better MPG and emissions for when that matters.
 
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My guess... we don't see any new v8's other than from GM, and those are probably the last as well (other than in HD truck market which is a different thing altogether).

This hemi coming back is a very temporary thing due to the change in US politics, but we can all see the writing on the wall. EV mandates aren't going away (for better or worse, I'm not arguing that side of it, just that gassers ARE on their last legs).

I love my gas truck, but I'm not married to it anymore either. It's my first V8, and I love it, but its more than likely my last V8 unless my needs change or my truck doesn't last another 7 years. Once the Ram REV is here its game over as far as I'm concerned.

So for Ram, my bet is:
- they push the hemi as long as it works/makes sense
- they continue advancing the hurricane if/when needed
- series hybrids become the focus for the 2 to 15 year game plan, like the REV/ram charger
- somewhere in the future they release an EV when hemi no longer works in the rules they have to play by.

Rumour is that FCA was working on a new 5.0 or 5.5 V8 before the hemi program was canned a few years ago. It's possible they bring that program back, I'd be pleasantly surprised but first that program would actually have to have existed and second they'd have to bring it back and I just don't see that being too likely. The hemi can make anywhere from 400 to 1025 hp, a new V8 isn't going to advance the HP/performance side of things, and the hurricane is their current high tech/powered engine that already overlaps the performance of the hemi and gets better MPG and emissions for when that matters.
There is no doubt hybrids are mid-term solution in this segment.
GM pushing new V8 is like you said last development of that configuration. How long it stays relevant depends on gas prices too. Calculations by Chevron are that 1 day of this crisis delays return of capacity on the level of 02/27/2026 by one week. So even if crisis is over today, we are looking Fall 2027 for return of refining capacity. Such a long period of elevated gas prices will have an effect on buyers choices. According to is already outpacing Pilot in sales, which was inconceivable three months ago.
So yeah, Hurricane is definitely their ace in the long run married with hybrid system.
Toyota had good idea. Their problem was ICE execution and on Sequoia side they wanted to save money so instead of going independent axle like with 2nd generation, they went solid, which limited space and created that ridiculous battery bump in trunk. That turned away buyers looking first family SUV then off roading SUV.
In all this, I bet some manufacturers wish they didn’t discontinued regular sedans. Toyota and Honda played that well.
 
Didn't happen??? I was there. Were you? Try again...with better grammar and spelling next time.
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The specified bearing clearance in the Ford Coyote V8 can be as tight as 0.0005 inch per 1 inch of journal diameter per the factory service manual. That's about as tight as you can go on journal bearings without over heating and smoking them. And yet. Ford recommends using 5W÷50 in the Track Pack Coyote.

Tight bearings run fine on thicker oil, but loose bearing don't run well on thinner oil.
 
There is no doubt hybrids are mid-term solution in this segment.
I suspect that hybrids will continue to be looked at as temporary solutions to bridge wide-scale EV production/adoption, but I think hybrids will become the backbone of powertrains for a long time. In all reality, it is the perfect solution based on current technology and needs.

While I have a lot of thoughts, in an attempt to not be longwinded, I think we (the public at large) are expecting EVs to be the end state and that expectation is misplaced. In truth, the technology to mine and produce EV batteries, as well as the electrical infrastructure, need to make significant leaps for EVs to provide the benefits that are being assigned to them. In my opinion, sustainable fuels and hybrids are the answer to addressing the concerns around pollution, increased fuel economy, etc. I expect this to happen not because policy or consumer demands are pushing it, but because other industries that are relying on sustainable fuels will produce technological advancements faster than improvements to rare earth mineral mining and infrastructure. Aviation is pushing hard for sustainable fuels and fuel providers like Shell, Petronas, ARAMCO, and ExxonMobil are already developing sustainable fuels for racing which should drive improvements in both performance and production costs.

I could be wrong, but I would not be surprised if hybrids and sustainable fuels become more prevalent in the near-term future and ease the regulatory push for EV adoption. Should that happen and the choice is left to consumers, I think consumers will continue to prefer hybrid powertrains over purely electric vehicles.
 
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