Toyota Prius

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I just had to rent one to see what the big deal is. So today, I rented a 2008 Toyota Prius from Zipcar for a quick run to the airport.

The driving position is pretty good. Plenty of room for my 5'10" 175lb frame. The electric motor has enough torque to allow for quick acceleration from a stop, but only to about 40 mph (it runs out of steam after that). There's enough power for passing, but despite the torquey electric motor, it isn't much better than your typical 4-cyl family sedan. This is probably due to the limitations of a small gasoline engine. The small engine struggles and has to rev to a high RPM in order to maintain speed on inclines. The NVH characteristics of the drivetrain are not up to the usual Toyota standards, however. But the CVT is smooth (no shudder) and I was barely able to discern the transition between the gasoline and electric motors.

I drove from Santa Cruz, CA, to San Jose, CA. Most of the trip was spent on Highway 17. The mileage on the return trip to Santa Cruz was slightly less than the mileage on the trip to San Jose. When I arrived at the San Jose airport, the on-board computer was showing a 52.4 mpg average, but by the time I returned the car in Santa Cruz, it was down to 48.0 mpg. 48.0 mpg was the overall fuel economy for the entire 70 mile trip. However, if you use this car for in-town driving, its mileage is phenomenal. When I picked up the car, I had to drive it to the gas station (more on that later). For the several miles that I drove it in town, I was averaging over 60 mpg. I wasn't utilizing any special hypermiling techniques aside from gentle to moderate acceleration.

Nevertheless, as I noted earlier, I had to fill-up the gas tank as the digital fuel gauge was only showing 3 bars remaining. (10 bars indicates a full tank) So I pulled up to the Chevron, stuck in the nozzle and walked away to peek around under the hood. After about a minute, the pump had already stopped. 5.8 gallons was all that the pump was able to put in. Twice, I tried to manually add more fuel, but alas, no luck. I was puzzled. The gauge was showing 3 bars left (30%), yet the tank is supposed to hold 12 gallons. I was expecting to put in at least 8 gallons. I heard that the Prius uses a flexible bladder fuel tank and the amount you can put in depends on the ambient temperature? It was about 50F out FWIW. Not sure what was the problem here?

Anyway, the Prius impressed me in some ways and disappointed me in others. Its refinement isn't up to the usual Toyota standards. The gasoline engine is loud and buzzy. Its handling is terrible, but this is probably due to the GY Integrity tires. On the other hand, it can return very good mileage as long as you drive it responsibly. So would I buy it? I don't know. I'd prefer something that handles a bit better and has a bit more power. Perhaps the Camry Hybrid would be a better choice for me if I was in the market for a hybrid.
 
If you really felt the handling was "terrible" it may have been the tires. I've driven my GF's mom's Prius plenty of times and always felt that it handled pretty tightly for a Toyota. I mean, it's no Supra but for what it is I was impressed.
 
I have to say that its egg shape is a turn off. The technology sounds cool and the gas mileage is to drool for though.
 
Pretty similar to my experience when I rented them (twice) in the past. Good commuter car, ok handling (no it is not just the tire, the car is not setup as a sport hatch), excellent fuel economy if you drive in traffic, not a very quite engine, but boy, it is an engineering master piece, and way cool.

The best? if you got one of the earlier model in CA and got the carpool lane sticker, you get to drive in the carpool lane by yourself, that alone is worth the price to many.

Camry Hybrid is not worth the cost. 36mpg for 30k? might as well get a corolla or a saturn.
 
I'm surprised that no one has brought up the TDI vs. Prius debate in this thread...yet.
 
I've spent quite a bit of time in Prius and around here with the valley floor @ 4300 ft and passes up in the 8-9k range the Prius with 3 guys on board with gear going down the freeway or up those grades you really get to *hear* the engine. And the MPG on those trips are not too good. (low 30s)

I'm more comfortable and get better MPG with the Corolla in the same mission/trip. I'm still trying to get a Hybrid Highlander for the next time we go down but each and everytime they are gone.

I like the Camry and would love to drive one over a trip to see how it performs. Plus I can fit in one of those nicely.

Bill
 
Gas mileage doesn't mean so much to me that I'd drive something like a Prius. Actually, I am in the minority here that I do not make any purchases based in MPG. I'm a power loving guy who wants luxury, safety and comfort over a few MPG's.

However, I commend Toyota for the job they did with the car. Sure, it doesn't have an engine with any power and the electric range is limited, but as a package it does what it was intended to do.

The only other Hybrid that does the job as well (and aruguably better!) is the GM 2 mode system on full size SUVs/trucks. Many of you here know that I was a part of this implementation at GM and I'm very pround of it. Who would of thought a fullsize SUV could return better city milage than a 4cyl Camry? Now I'm waiting for the Volt....and praying that the price is lowered enough so avg people can and will buy it!
 
As with most cars, the Prius does what it was designed for. It wasn't designed to be a truck, or a sports car, or a van. As long as you remember this you will likely believe that it does what it does well. If you want all those other things (and don't care about the electronic whiz-bang factor) you'll have to get different car.

Our Prius is a small car that gets good mileage while seating four in relative (small car) comfort. It's light years ahead of what it replaces in our driveway.

Still, it's the wife's car. I'd rather drive my truck or the Camaro any day.
 
I remember reading about a guy that drove a Prius from Chicago to NY on one tank of gas using hypermiling methods. He talked about the difficulty of getting the gas tank full but I don't remember the details.
USAToday tested the Ford Fusion and claims it is the best hybrid yet. Smoother shutting down and starting the gas engine, seems they have found a method to stop the engine at just the right spot....
Fusion review
 
My friends Prius has terrible leg room on passenger side, front. Poor head room,ETC. When he actually checkes the mileage by gallons used to miles driven its about 3MPG less than the car shows on the screen.
 
Originally Posted By: kr_bitog
Don't worry folks ! New Prius comes with 1.8 l engine, it should be more torquey and power on medium high speed
Still will not have enough power.

You can not expect the electric motor to work for hours on end. (like on a road trip)

Putting a 1.8l in a car that weighs close to 500 lbs more than a Corolla with the same engine is going to have issues. (Note I am talking about the 2003-2008 Corolla which was 400lbs LESS than the porker 2009 model)

That is why I like the Camry, at least it has the same engine size PLUS the electric motor.

Also I don't consider low 30's to be excellent MPG on the highway. Esp for a high MPG car.

The bad thing about the Ford is it's built in Mexico IIRC.

We all know what happened to VW once their cars were made there...

Bill
 
a Coworker just test drove the prius but bought a RAV4 instead. She said she didn't like it that it was small, felt like a golf cart on the road, and was slow. Her words, not mine.
 
we owned an '07 PRIUS and the fillups were a pain in the rear . The bladder is rubber so when cold it gets stiffer and makes for long fills , click , click , click goes the nozzle :- ( . Then for warm refills the tank would hold the fumes making for the never ending shutoff of the nozzle at the pump . This made it difficult for getting true gas mileage figures . So if computer says 51 m.p.g it could actually be 2 > 3 miles to the gallon less . Overall we enjoyed it during it's stay . We traded it in during the summer when it's book value was at its peak . It helped to get a '08 YARIS sedan at no cost and a check from the dealership to help pay off the other '08 YARIS L.B. loan . Both YARIS are averaging about 37 m.p.g. . Good to have no car payments during these times . THANKS , '07 Prius ;- ) .
 
If Chevy can price the new Volt close to the Prius, they may have something. I like their idea better, as it doesn't use any gas with a full plug in charge until the 40th mile or so. Last I heard they are trying to keep it under 40K, but that's going to price most folks out of the market. The batteries is what makes it so expensive.
 
Electric cars may not be pracitical for another 10-15 years. I don't believe hybrids will be around too many more years because of the cost to buy them and future battery expence. My understanding is they get about 10 MPG better than gas engines in the same type of car. Natural gas is to costly to instal in straight gas powered cars, so where does that leave us? We better drill baby drill or we all may be walking
 
we're going to wait a year or two and then possibly get another hybrid or all electric vehicle . Figure by then they'll be less expensive due to competition and have more variety in models to choose from . Be nice to get a hybrid SCION XB .
 
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