I'm not defined by my car. I'm not that shallow.
Toyota owners "boring"?
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I can't even imagine what they'd call ANYONE who owns a Buick Rendezvous?
That thing makes the Aztek look good.
Lord.
No wonder GM is tanking.
That thing makes the Aztek look good.
Lord.
No wonder GM is tanking.
Yeah...if their design team hasn't already been given their walking papers, that should be their next move. Apparently someone else has taken the design reigns...if the Solstice / Sky are any indication.
I can't imagine actually looking at an Aztek and liking it enough to buy it. I would bet these people are getting tremendous discounts on them and couldn't care less about image.
I can't imagine actually looking at an Aztek and liking it enough to buy it. I would bet these people are getting tremendous discounts on them and couldn't care less about image.
Oh yeah...the Azteks are at a tremendous bargain around here...
I'm pretty sure that's the only reason people are buying them...I mean $3k BELOW invoice?? That's gotta make young families at least think about it over a minivan...
I agree though...ugly as all ****....
I'm pretty sure that's the only reason people are buying them...I mean $3k BELOW invoice?? That's gotta make young families at least think about it over a minivan...
I agree though...ugly as all ****....
I'll tell that to my neighbor whose 00' Accords automatic transmission crapped out at 117k to the tune of 3 grand.
I own both a Buick and a Honda and the Buick has never been back to the dealer in over 70K while the Honda has been back (only) twice in 55K for minor warranty work. I'd buy the Buick again in a heartbeat but the Honda maybe not because of the potential A/T problem.
If that's the case, they can still show some consideration for other drivers on the road.
They don't.
For example, since they're in no particular hurry to go anywhere, why must they pull out in front of someone? Wait another 10 seconds.
I've also seen pretty bad "fast" drivers, too. Once again, no consideration shown for anyone else on the road.
Then you've got the "slow" drivers who suddenly decide they're gonna be "fast" drivers when you pass them.
I am afraid some people's ego is brused by being passed. Ran into a dumb lady the other day in a Chevy SUV that passed me and slowed down 3 times in about 20 miles of 2 lane. Not a fine example.
If you are travelling in the right lane with a on-ramp coming up then you will sometimes be slowed down by vehicles merging in, there is no way around that. If you do not want to be slowed down then the best thing to do is to move out of the right lane near on-ramps. I see too many people travelling in the right lane when it would be safer for themselves and everybody around them if they moved over to the middle lane where they could have more space between them and the car in front of them.
Well, you could observe the traffic merging in from the right, then observe whether the middle lane is clear, then, if so, move over, and when the right lane is clear, move back over.
Granted this requires more thought than most drivers seem to want to engage in.
Granted this requires more thought than most drivers seem to want to engage in.
Whatever he drives, my Toyota Supra Turbo will most probably blow his doors off.
You hear horror stories about Honda auto trannies, but you never hear how they were maintained or if the said trannies actually had Honda Z-1 in them. Honda auto trannies should always have Z-1 in them.
I think the same excuse has been used for Chrysler's automatic failures. "You should have used ATF+3 in them".
Not exactly the way I do it. If the right lane is pretty crowded and I see cars on the on-ramp I move out into the middle lane well in advance. IMO there are too many people in the right lane in circumstances where it would be safer for them to move out of that lane.
Yes, but not all highways have a middle lane so you're either cruising in the left lane or crusing in the right lane.
Today, I saw one. I passed it on the right--at the speed limit.
In all fairness, though, the Maxima was a total beater complete with a safety rejection sticker on the winshield. The car looked like it was about one breakdown away from being abandoned on the side of the road.
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Wow, what misinformation, Im glad jmcmaster clarified to some extent.
A friend of mine, who cares little for cars, needed to help his mother buy a car... she eventually got a toyota avalon, which she loves, but he told me that the dealer himself told them that the typical toyota buyer has a higher education level, believes that theyre getting more longevity for the dollar, and tends to be willing to do all maintenance at the dealer, by the book - which is part of the reason why they last so long, and why, of course, he had to reccomend the dealer's service department.
Now, lets extrapolate... My father, a college graduate with two degrees, got sick of his prior domestics - a 75 monza and 80 fairmont (for my mother)... so in 79 he bought a plymouth (mitsubishi) champ and in 85 bought a dodge (mitsubishi) colt vista (for my mother). Both lasted until 100k, and so in 91 he got onto the 'toyota is the best value, long lasting, etc. kick, and bought a 91 corolla, and 93 a dodge colt for my mother.
The corolla was substantially worse than the mitsubishi products, and required much more warranty and non warranty service. Though he did all service by the dealers (not even the manuals!) reccomendations. He traded it for a previa, which has been one of the best vehicles that we've ever owned.
That said, due to the cost and value, he decided to give domestic cars a try when we outgrew my mother's 2dr dodge colt, which was still running great at 97k (with my father and I both at 6ft 4 or 5, my mother 5ft 9 and my brother starting to get tall, the 2dr colt was quite cramped). So we got a plymouth breeze in 97 - another very decent car, that hasnt had any real problems and is still all original, perfect AT, etc at 100k, despite very severe use.
Now we own a variety of German, Domestic and Japanese cars - and all but two (out of 9) have less than 100k - and all but two of the rest now have over 150k. What have we found?
-toyota buyers do do things by the book (my father is a perfect example)
-toyota buyers do believe they are getting more value and longevity for their dollar (ditto)
-the 91 corolla was little better in quality than the 1980 and older domestics that they owned (despite service by the dealer reccomendations).
-the 94 previa has been EXCELLENT, with longevity and lack of service needs rivaling MB diesels.
And, based upon a recent test drive of a corolla and ford focus, the focus beats it in all categories, per my standards... though I really dispise 'soft feel' dashboards, which are often mistaken for 'quality' interior materials.
So, the moral of the story is that a lot of the 'stereotypes' are true - stereotypes usually do have a lot of truth built into them - but in todays PC world, theyre just not allowed...
Toyotas are good cars, though they seem to be as hit or miss as others (my father's 91 corolla and my fiancee's mother's 01 camry v6 are good examples of lousy cars that a premium was paid for, which was a waste). However others are just as good. Foreign car buyers just prefer to not admit it, as they paid a premium for their car, whether purchased new or used.
But a lot of chevrolet and ford buyers can be called boring because they they just always return to the same brand (grandparents on both sides can be called that, for each brand respectively). Buick and mercury buyers can be lumped as old and boring (though mercury has become very efeminant (sp?) recently). lincoln and cadilac (and lexus to some extent are lumped as boring rich old man's cars... hondas can be labeled as ricer cars (and some lumped same as toyotas). and we can go on and on.
In the end all, does it really matter??? In the end all, one is spending quite a large sum of money on their conveyance, and in the end all, the name of the game is spending a large sum of your hard earned dough on something that you are going to be happy with. This extends to the car buffs as well as those who could care less - who percieve paying a premium for a toyota or honda as insurance... to each their own. We can make labels for dell vs. macintosh owners, timex vs. rolex owners, hockey vs. soccer players, road bikers vs. mountain bikers, or whatever other groups we want.
To me, the key is to realize the truths of longevity potential from various brands, and value for a dollar. For me, if im looking for longevity, my dollar is in a 170k. MB turbodiesel over a brand new civic for 300k miles of good use with low lifecycle cost and bood operation at end of life. But thats just me...
JMH
[ August 12, 2006, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: JHZR2 ]
JHZR2
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lol, not even close - check the investing thread.
Ford Ranger = Mazda B2000 . Nuff said.
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