Toyota accepts union demands for biggest wage hike in two decades

Auto and diesel Tech jobs are paying more than ever. If you are qualified and can actually work on more than brakes, tires and oils changes.

I know it varies per economic area, state and city but definitely more for everyone. If you don’t feel you are getting what you deserve and are qualified you can surely grab more the next door down usually even sign on bonuses
Times are very slow here. They picked up for awhile but now we are back to like it was during the pandemic where we maybe see 10-12 cars for all 20 something techs in the shop. I asked some of my dealership friends and they all said the same thing. Also with my dealership having multiple franchises some brands aren’t seeing any work like our single Mitsubishi tech didn’t get a single car yesterday so he didn’t get any money yesterday. It’s all crazy. Maybe it’s just variance by area or location like you said. I haven’t seen many jobs even advertising in this area. My company has already made budget cuts and cut people that didn’t work out. The problem is I can’t find a place that will let me be hourly like my shop does. I’m too slow for flat rate and my company is good to me so I want to stay. I have my suspicions on why it’s like this but of course I can’t mention them here.
 
Times are very slow here. They picked up for awhile but now we are back to like it was during the pandemic where we maybe see 10-12 cars for all 20 something techs in the shop. I asked some of my dealership friends and they all said the same thing. Also with my dealership having multiple franchises some brands aren’t seeing any work like our single Mitsubishi tech didn’t get a single car yesterday so he didn’t get any money yesterday. It’s all crazy. Maybe it’s just variance by area or location like you said. I haven’t seen many jobs even advertising in this area. My company has already made budget cuts and cut people that didn’t work out. The problem is I can’t find a place that will let me be hourly like my shop does. I’m too slow for flat rate and my company is good to me so I want to stay. I have my suspicions on why it’s like this but of course I can’t mention them here.
Silicon Valley is crying for wrenches. A local Community College, De Anza in Cupertino, has a well recognized 2 year Auto Tech program and has just added EV classes. This program is always impacted and the grads are in demand.
On a side note, we are voting to have Community College free of tuition. I am all for it; we need a qualified work force.
 
Makes me want to buy a Toyota before they go up again. 😱

I’m all for a cost of living wage increase though. ~2018 pay with current inflationary prices is no good.
 
Silicon Valley is crying for wrenches. A local Community College, De Anza in Cupertino, has a well recognized 2 year Auto Tech program and has just added EV classes. This program is always impacted and the grads are in demand.
On a side note, we are voting to have Community College free of tuition. I am all for it; we need a qualified work force.
Free. Explain how that works. I've searched for free things many times through the years. Nothing is free. Nothing. So explain this free college of yours please.
 
Free. Explain how that works. I've searched for free things many times through the years. Nothing is free. Nothing. So explain this free college of yours please.
Education is key. We need more qualified people. Auto technicians are hard to find around here. Ditto nurses and other health care professionals, just to name two. Community colleges produce a quality workforce that offer a better quality of life for them and those they support. Not to mention contribute to a healthy tax base. This is simple Economics.

As an example, in the 70's and 80's Silicon Valley was fueled by trained techs from the local Community Colleges, San Jose State and other local colleges. There were tons of Vietnam Vets attending West Valley's Engineering Tech 2 year program adn De Anza's computer programming program. The promise of low cost and even free quality education fueled the Valley; prices have skyrocketed since then. Without these people, we might not be typing on these computers today.
 
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Education is key. We need more qualified people. Auto technicians are hard to find around here. Ditto nurses and other health care professionals, just to name two. Community colleges produce a quality workforce that offer a better quality of life for them and those they support. Not to mention contribute to a healthy tax base. This is simple Economics.


Okay but the teachers and the college are not doing this out of thin air or their hearts. It’s not free. Somewhere the money is being appropriated and in the end it comes from the taxpayers.

Nothing is free.
 
Okay but the teachers and the college are not doing this out of thin air or their hearts. It’s not free. Somewhere the money is being appropriated and in the end it comes from the taxpayers.

Nothing is free.
We are going off topic here, but the fuel behind this iniative is the property tax surplus in our area. Free, or reduced prices, is for the students. The students, in turn, become qualified workers and generally pay more taxes themselves. My education was, to a large part, paid for by the companies I worked for. It helped a lot, I can tell you as I was pretty down and out for a long time. Education saved my life.
 
We are going off topic here, but the fuel behind this iniative is the property tax surplus in our area. Free, or reduced prices, is for the students. My education was, to a large part, paid for by the companies I worked for. It helped a lot, I can tell you as I was pretty down and out for a long time. Education saved my life.


Free for thee but not for me.
 
Typical and expected non-answer. RDV, there is no free. Tax surplus? Not a thing. Excessive taxation without proper representation creating more stolen funds than has yet been spent. You may have all that money and you may spread it around. If so, great. Then you should pay for 1 or 2 or 17 community college student's educations. Not the taxpayers. They should be paying for less, not more.
 
Short term thinking. I never think is the short term. Maybe that's why I pay more income taxes than most people make? I give away more than $50K every year to things I believe in. This year I hope to do far better than that. I believe in investment, especially in people.
You guys are tempting the lock down CZAR to kill this otherwise excellent thread.
 
Silicon Valley is crying for wrenches. A local Community College, De Anza in Cupertino, has a well recognized 2 year Auto Tech program and has just added EV classes. This program is always impacted and the grads are in demand.
On a side note, we are voting to have Community College free of tuition. I am all for it; we need a qualified work force.
The biggest issue a local CC has, with their CNC program currently?
Companies poaching students, prior to graduating. It is nuts.
Qualified CNC operators are making more than the engineers are, in some companies.
 
The biggest issue a local CC has, with their CNC program currently?
Companies poaching students, prior to graduating. It is nuts.
Qualified CNC operators are making more than the engineers are, in some companies.
So true. The students are employable after 1 year. Dealerships love the auto techs.
Interesting about your CNC comment. There used to be more machinists and tool & die makers in Silicon Valley than anywhere in the world. This was when all the Semiconductor Mfg Equip was made here. So much custom stuff.
 
I've been a union worker for almost 20 years. They aren't perfect but it's the only way to get the greedy people in charge to share a little, very little sometimes, of the wealth. The wage disparity in the country will be it's downfall.
I don’t like unions and I have worked for a unionized company for a whopping 6 months and just could not stand it, however they are needed. Without them we would fall back to the Industrial Revolution age where the employee was essentially in a lifetime servitude.

Like them or not, they do provide the much needed counterbalance to the large corporations.
 
And the expected drop in quality

That's already happening. Please remember.. I used to work at a Toyota manufacturing plant that built Toyota vehicles. (Highlander, the last Sequoia was a Black color Limited trim model that was absolutely gorgeous... they were converting West plant go Lexus.. etc etc.)And other models. Whole car beginning to end 500 cars per shift 2 shifts per day.. so. Despite some chiding with one of our members positing that I "mopped the floors" (Ha! They would hardly ever be clean if they had me do that,) no, I got to see every stage of the production of the car, and supply the lines. The whole point and takeaway of that is that people that I delivered parts to.. used to tell me stories of what was going on at each stage.

The Toyota quality, they sell you on it, Orientation they tell you every step has been taken, checked, re-checked, and rechecked again. They tell the tale of a truck on a dealer lot with driver seat leather and passenger seat cloth and nobody caught it. You will never know if these stories are real. But. Fast forward 2022 when the guys in East Weld are telling you they are told to "Just shove it in so it doesn't stop the line," in regards to metal fabricated/stamped pieces.......

That is just as to the quality. I don't see it.

Their horrendously ugly front ends on the trucks that look like Homermobiles make me wonder how they sell. At least they have it sold before it is made....... but now, onto the wages.

As noted, this article is about Toyota Japan. I forgot most of what I know about the complicated relationship Toyota Corporation (Japan) has with its independently owned manufacturing plants (TMMI, TMMTX, TMMKY etc) and then its dealer networks, but, also as mentioned, Toyota is not unionized. No UAW or any other union. So.. From what I recall of my time as a Toyota Motor Manufacturing plant employee, they feel like they pay their workers very well - and this leads to a basically Amazon type of environment.

There are production quotas, you will be worked as if you are a machine to meet them. Toyota calls this "Autonomation." What this means is.. We don't really need the machine, you will be the machine for us, Employee. (And they feel they pay fair. I would agree the money was attractive.)

At first.

Then.. well.. when you have to lay people off for every little thing. Those hiring bonuses and incentives go away pretty quick.

All this to say that.. People say that you buy a Toyota, you're sending the money back overseas? I don't see it.. we had suppliers of parts (most notably Denso) in Michigan, other suppliers.. Made there in America, this is true. A long way from the T100, T150, if anyone remembers those, I do.. complete oddball but made in the USA... So when you buy a Toyota, that was made here in the USA.. Where does the money go back to Japan? Also.. so they raised wages in Japan.. when I came in "recently" they had already announced "higher wages".. surely, somehow, somewhere, this will make Toyota products cost more.

Toyota was once great. I had a 1993 Corolla. Couldn't kill that thing. Until we changed the radiator............ but still. Overall extremely tough. A 1993 Corolla was Made in Japan and in the 90s, Toyota had the most bulletproof quality control, even better than Honda with Nissan an honorable mention but squarely third. Nissan really is the Chrysler of the imports. (I didn't come up with that, Eric of South Main Auto did.) So when we now look at these new cars with their Takata airbags and other innards. Basically getting rushed through.......

It's. Not the same Toyota as of yesteryear. It certainly ain't Marty McFly's truck that was the second vehicle lead behind a DeLorean in Back To the Future.. or Paul Walker's Supra in 2001 street racing film.. or the Land Cruiser Pierce Brosnan drove in Volcano or Dante's Inferno I forget.

ALL of these are better Toyotas than you will get today.

So. I question what relevance this news has for us in the American market.

And 4Runner or LCJ is still made in Japan.. New Land Cruiser will NOT be offered for sale in the US, except as a Lexus LX600 And also as the underpinnings of a new Toyota Tundra. If we were keeping track of what is still made in Japan.
 
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