Total Quartz 5000 in an aircooled VW?

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OK fella's I must admit that joining this board has turned my lubrication world upside down, and I feel pretty guilty about always running straight 30 in my Bug. So having looked around it seems most people recommend a 15w40 for a Dub, I've come across Total Quartz 5000 in this grade and seeing as I like their Petrol and I have heard good things about their Oil, I might give it a go. Its rated as API SJ/CF. ACEA A2/B2 is this good enough for an old Bug you think? Will an SJ rating ensure enough ZDDP? I really don't entirely understand all this yet.
 
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Sounds like it would be a decent oil to try.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's available here in the US, so you may not get a lot of feedback on it.

What other 15w40 oils are available to you?
 
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Sounds like it would be a decent oil to try.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's available here in the US, so you may not get a lot of feedback on it.

What other 15w40 oils are available to you?


Castrol GTX, Shell Helix (not sure about the detergent factor there) Fuchs Titan, Quantum, Morris, Millers, loads basicly :)
 
Originally Posted By: NVJ157G
OK fella's I must admit that joining this board has turned my lubrication world upside down, and I feel pretty guilty about always running straight 30 in my Bug. So having looked around it seems most people recommend a 15w40 for a Dub, I've come across Total Quartz 5000 in this grade and seeing as I like their Petrol and I have heard good things about their Oil, I might give it a go. Its rated as API SJ/CF. ACEA A2/B2 is this good enough for an old Bug you think? Will an SJ rating ensure enough ZDDP? I really don't entirely understand all this yet.


You have to be carefull with the air cooled VW's

does it have a full flow oil filter?
 
OK guys that sounds like good advice. She hasn't been my daily for a few years now so never really goes through a cold crank regime anymore. I have never seen a 20w20 available here, I think it might be unsuitable for the UK climate (this year the hottest it got was 30'C)
Theoretically though, would an SJ rated Oil be ok for an old Bug?
 
I should of mentioned that when it does get that hot in the UK it never normally stays that way for more than a few days at a time, average summer temp is around about 25/6'C :)
 
Originally Posted By: NVJ157G
I should of mentioned that when it does get that hot in the UK it never normally stays that way for more than a few days at a time, average summer temp is around about 25/6'C :)


Hi NVJ

i'm in UK too

you need a low detergent/dispersent SAE 30

Morris Supreme 30
Castrol XL30

to name a couple of the more famous classic oil makers

i really wouldn't use modern engine oils in it as the detergent additives will keep too many particles in suspension and increase engine wear

hope this helps

http://www.morrislubricants.co.uk/lubricants/company.asp?wp=96
 
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Originally Posted By: riggaz

You have to be carefull with the air cooled VW's

does it have a full flow oil filter?


No its totally stock. I'm just concerned that a SJ rated oil is too modern? I must admit I'm still learning about all the ratings though I know that the Morris 30 I have been using is rated SD.
 
Originally Posted By: riggaz
Originally Posted By: NVJ157G
I should of mentioned that when it does get that hot in the UK it never normally stays that way for more than a few days at a time, average summer temp is around about 25/6'C :)


Hi NVJ

i'm in UK too

you need a low detergent/dispersent SAE 30

Morris Supreme 30
Castrol XL30

to name a couple of the more famous classic oil makers

i really wouldn't use modern engine oils in it as the detergent additives will keep too many particles in suspension and increase engine wear

hope this helps


What about 20w-50?
 
Originally Posted By: NVJ157G
Originally Posted By: riggaz
Originally Posted By: NVJ157G
I should of mentioned that when it does get that hot in the UK it never normally stays that way for more than a few days at a time, average summer temp is around about 25/6'C :)


Hi NVJ

i'm in UK too

you need a low detergent/dispersent SAE 30

Morris Supreme 30
Castrol XL30

to name a couple of the more famous classic oil makers

i really wouldn't use modern engine oils in it as the detergent additives will keep too many particles in suspension and increase engine wear

hope this helps


What about 20w-50?


I wouldn't as the hot viscosity and detergent levels would be too high

stick with the straight 30
 
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Hi,
NVJ157G - API SJ oils are not too modern! When doing an oil change always remove and clean the filter screen and clean inside the filler cap area too. The best road to longevity with these engines is via regular valve clearance adjustments - every 3k or so!

SAE50 lubricants are not wise in these engines
 
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See thats kinda the conclusion I've been coming to cheers dude, I change it every 1500 miles and adjust the valves every 3k :)
 
Beware, excessive viscosity and resultant excess oil pressure can cause the oil pressure relief to activate and bypass oil around the oil cooler, resulting in elevated operating temperature. Remember, an "aircooled" VW engine is in truth air and oil cooled, hence the need for the oil cooler. The oil pressure relief is designed to only operate when the engine is cold and viscosity/pressure is high. At temperature in normal operation you should be bypassing little to no oil around the oil cooler. I know lots of people run 10W40 weight oils in ACVW engines, but I think this is more of a legacy of the days when the viscosity index improvers would shear down fairly quickly in the early days of multi-viscosity oils. VW recommended either straight 30W or 10W30 under most operating conditions in these engines originally, and if I were going to run a high quality modern synthetic motor oil (which will not shear down much or shear quickly) I would stick with the original 10W30 or perhaps a 5W30. I've definitely seen cases of elevated oil temperate cured by dropping down to an XW30 grade oil. You might get by with a 10W40, some do. Most will see elevated oil temps when running a 20W50.

When it comes to viscosity in these engines, more is not always better.
 
Hi,
actually, like Porsche aircooled engines, the VW's do very well on HD lubricants

A dual rated C?/S? SAE30 will do very well and tend to reduce deposits. It is important to clean the screen at each OC
 
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