Anyone know of a good source for Torx Plus bits? These are the Torx fasteners with the little post in the center. A friend is trying to do a carb rebuild on a Yamaha V-twin and it has these fasteners. Would rather avoid the tool truck brands as neither one of us is an active professional mechanic and we really can not afford Snap-On prices.
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I have a set of the Torx Plus Tamper Proof sockets from the MATCO truck. It was cheaper to pay $250 for the set than to buy just the one size i needed.
BTW Torx Plus is 5 point, its Tamper Proof that has the dot in the center.
BTW Torx Plus is 5 point, its Tamper Proof that has the dot in the center.
It sounds like the OP is looking for Tamper-Resistant Torx, not Torx-Plus. Either way, get them at McMaster.
Torx-Plus does have six lobes. Tamper-Resistant Torx-Plus is five-lobed with a pin in the middle.
Torx-Plus does have six lobes. Tamper-Resistant Torx-Plus is five-lobed with a pin in the middle.
Thanks for the correction. I live close enough to Atlanta that I can run into McMaster next week.
http://www.harborfreight.com/3-8-eighth-inch-drive-tamper-resistant-star-bit-set-94188.html
I think they had some bit sets in my local Harbor Freight store that had some tamper resistant bits. If you have a local store might want to check. You might want to check flea-bay too.
I think they had some bit sets in my local Harbor Freight store that had some tamper resistant bits. If you have a local store might want to check. You might want to check flea-bay too.
Kestas
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Another way to approach the task is to destructively remove the tamper-proof fasteners and replace them with ordinary fasteners. I've done this a few times. I use a dremel to create a slot and use a screwdriver to remove the old fasteners. Replacement fasteners can be found among my vast collection stored in coffee cans.
Hi Autografe,
My local ACE Hardware carries tamper-resistant Torx and Torx Plus bits, so yours may too.
Cheers,
-J
Originally Posted By: Autografe
Anyone know of a good source for Torx Plus bits? These are the Torx fasteners with the little post in the center. A friend is trying to do a carb rebuild on a Yamaha V-twin and it has these fasteners. Would rather avoid the tool truck brands as neither one of us is an active professional mechanic and we really can not afford Snap-On prices.
My local ACE Hardware carries tamper-resistant Torx and Torx Plus bits, so yours may too.
Cheers,
-J
Originally Posted By: Autografe
Anyone know of a good source for Torx Plus bits? These are the Torx fasteners with the little post in the center. A friend is trying to do a carb rebuild on a Yamaha V-twin and it has these fasteners. Would rather avoid the tool truck brands as neither one of us is an active professional mechanic and we really can not afford Snap-On prices.
Hi Kestas,
You can just break off the security post in the tamper-resistant Torx bolt by wiggling it with needle nose pliers. Then use a regular Torx bit.
I would not advice doing this on something like a MAF sensor, because come smog check time the inspecting mechanic may notice and object to tampering.
Cheers,
-J
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Another way to approach the task is to destructively remove the tamper-proof fasteners and replace them with ordinary fasteners. I've done this a few times. I use a dremel to create a slot and use a screwdriver to remove the old fasteners. Replacement fasteners can be found among my vast collection stored in coffee cans.
You can just break off the security post in the tamper-resistant Torx bolt by wiggling it with needle nose pliers. Then use a regular Torx bit.
I would not advice doing this on something like a MAF sensor, because come smog check time the inspecting mechanic may notice and object to tampering.
Cheers,
-J
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Another way to approach the task is to destructively remove the tamper-proof fasteners and replace them with ordinary fasteners. I've done this a few times. I use a dremel to create a slot and use a screwdriver to remove the old fasteners. Replacement fasteners can be found among my vast collection stored in coffee cans.
Originally Posted By: Autografe
Anyone know of a good source for Torx Plus bits? These are the Torx fasteners with the little post in the center. A friend is trying to do a carb rebuild on a Yamaha V-twin and it has these fasteners.
Those are security torx if they have a raised post in the center, not torx plus. Torx plus has a different spline profile than regular torx which helps further reduce cam-out. You can use regular torx drivers with torx plus fasteners and they still work as regular torx, you just don't get the extra cam-out help from the torx plus profile.
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
BTW Torx Plus is 5 point, its Tamper Proof that has the dot in the center.
Five point star fasteners are different than torx altogether.
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Another way to approach the task is to destructively remove the tamper-proof fasteners and replace them with ordinary fasteners.
Agreed, especially since this is in a motorcycle carb. Replace all the fasteners with stainless steel socket head cap screws with a dab of copper anti-seize. I did this when I rebuilt the four single-barrel carbs on my Suzuki GS550 and it turned out great.
Anyone know of a good source for Torx Plus bits? These are the Torx fasteners with the little post in the center. A friend is trying to do a carb rebuild on a Yamaha V-twin and it has these fasteners.
Those are security torx if they have a raised post in the center, not torx plus. Torx plus has a different spline profile than regular torx which helps further reduce cam-out. You can use regular torx drivers with torx plus fasteners and they still work as regular torx, you just don't get the extra cam-out help from the torx plus profile.
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
BTW Torx Plus is 5 point, its Tamper Proof that has the dot in the center.
Five point star fasteners are different than torx altogether.
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Another way to approach the task is to destructively remove the tamper-proof fasteners and replace them with ordinary fasteners.
Agreed, especially since this is in a motorcycle carb. Replace all the fasteners with stainless steel socket head cap screws with a dab of copper anti-seize. I did this when I rebuilt the four single-barrel carbs on my Suzuki GS550 and it turned out great.
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Nissan MAF used tamper proof Torx.
VW uses security five-point & torx fasteners for some of its MAFs starting with the mk4 models. You can either buy the excellent Metalnerd bits to remove them or simply slice across the head with a Dremel, allowing you to remove it with a flathead screwdriver. Replace with whatever 'standard' fastener you like.
The proliferation of 'security' bits is so widespread these days, they're really no deterrent to anyone with a Horrible Freight or Big box 'hardware' store nearby. The only fasteners I've ever had a problem with were the JIS #2 'Philips' fasteners holding the Suzuki's carbs together. A few well placed whacks with the Craftsman hand impact driver got them all loose and they were replaced in kind with stainless steel SHCS and copper antiseize.
Nissan MAF used tamper proof Torx.
VW uses security five-point & torx fasteners for some of its MAFs starting with the mk4 models. You can either buy the excellent Metalnerd bits to remove them or simply slice across the head with a Dremel, allowing you to remove it with a flathead screwdriver. Replace with whatever 'standard' fastener you like.
The proliferation of 'security' bits is so widespread these days, they're really no deterrent to anyone with a Horrible Freight or Big box 'hardware' store nearby. The only fasteners I've ever had a problem with were the JIS #2 'Philips' fasteners holding the Suzuki's carbs together. A few well placed whacks with the Craftsman hand impact driver got them all loose and they were replaced in kind with stainless steel SHCS and copper antiseize.
Kestas
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It's kinda funny... whom are these tamper-proof fasteners supposed to deter? Anybody with decent hand tools and a bit of resourcefulness will remove them. It's just added aggravation; same as transmissions with no dipsticks.
Hi Kestas,
These fasteners are not temper-proof, but merely temper-resistant. They are supposed to keep the layman, who doesn't know what this type of fastener is, from casually tinkering with things. For example, on public buses, exposed fasteners on grab bars and handrails are frequently of the tamper-resistant variety, because otherwise bored schoolkids may loosen the fasteners. I have often observed kids picking at those fasteners, and I have yet to see one produce a proper tool for removal. On personal vehicles, there is equipment the layman is not supposed to play with. The person who knows what tool to use to properly remove the fasteners is probably not a layman and will have no problem removing the fastener in question, and installing it later properly. Ironically, any idiot is allowed to loosen lug nuts and wheel bolts and tighten them as improperly as he wishes.
Cheers,
-J
These fasteners are not temper-proof, but merely temper-resistant. They are supposed to keep the layman, who doesn't know what this type of fastener is, from casually tinkering with things. For example, on public buses, exposed fasteners on grab bars and handrails are frequently of the tamper-resistant variety, because otherwise bored schoolkids may loosen the fasteners. I have often observed kids picking at those fasteners, and I have yet to see one produce a proper tool for removal. On personal vehicles, there is equipment the layman is not supposed to play with. The person who knows what tool to use to properly remove the fasteners is probably not a layman and will have no problem removing the fastener in question, and installing it later properly. Ironically, any idiot is allowed to loosen lug nuts and wheel bolts and tighten them as improperly as he wishes.
Cheers,
-J
Kestas
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The way you explain it, it makes sense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torx
There are 4 variants of internal Torx.
6 point Torx
6 point Security Torx TR
6 point Torx Plus
5 point Security Torx Plus TX
6 point Security Torx Plus is not supposed to exist. Unfortunately I have seen it. Regular security Torx didn't work and I wasn't able to buy the right tool it so I ground slots.
There are 4 variants of internal Torx.
6 point Torx
6 point Security Torx TR
6 point Torx Plus
5 point Security Torx Plus TX
6 point Security Torx Plus is not supposed to exist. Unfortunately I have seen it. Regular security Torx didn't work and I wasn't able to buy the right tool it so I ground slots.
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