Originally Posted By: Greasymechtech
Photos of a self destructed engine does not mean the filter caused the failure. If there was so much wear in the engine, then the filter isn't going to fix it or prevent catastrophic destruction. I believe in unrestricted flow vs. overly restricted filtration. No full flow needed. Bypass is good enough. Oil pump has a screen. And, stainless mesh high-micron full flows work well enough.
If the filter is so great, why does the Z06 Corvette require a initial break-in oil/filter change? It has a filter? Doesn't it work?
Full flow filtration farce
You are trying to blame a failure on a itty bitty tear that might allow some unfiltered oil thru the engine, like the bypass doesn't do that already.
Defective engine or defective owner(most likely)
Whats Honda's defense for the numerous spun bearings? Maybe an engineer that transferred from their Odyssey/Pilot transmission group to the engine group?
um, im not sure what your getting at with the corvette thing... you think full flows should last forever and never need changing? there is a lot more wear during break in, after break in is done you change the oil and filter to get rid of that metal. filter plugs up, contaminates smaller than the full flow can filter are still in the oil and some companies i have heard use a special break in oil so you want to get rid of all of that.
itty bitty? lol. the bypass is periodic, a tear is full time, there is a difference.
i believe both were defective.
i havent asked them about it, maybe i will ask about the other more common and serious issues with these cars and see if i get a response. thanks for that idea
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
date code?
ill try to remember to look monday.
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Maybe very low oil level and she kept driving it.
These D17 Civic engines are ultra reliable with very basic maintenance. I inherited a 2005 Civic and low performance engine that can last a half million miles.
like i said, oil level was fine when i got it.
i would disagree, i have seen a lot of problems and heard of a lot of problems with these cars. head gaskets take a large chunk of them off the road right after the first scheduled coolant change and spun bearings seem to get a lot after that. auto trannies cratering took probly 1/3 of these cars off the road in the last 8 years and now that they arent worth much anymore the bearing that commonly goes in the manuel tranny takes a lot off the road too. although thats not engine related. a lot of the D17 civics in my local wrecker arent there because of body damage. or what i think is a lot anyway.
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: Festiva_Man
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Not a chance that tear caused the engine to come apart like that.
saying that doesnt help anyone. mind explaining why?
It helps give you a reality check, and I shouldn't have to explain any further to someone with the working knowledge of an IC engine. The amount of damage shown in those pictures on a low mileage motor can only occur if it has been run low on oil. A small tear in the element is the same as the filter running in a very low state of bypass with a very significant amount of the oil flowing through the filter still being filtered, whatever tiny amount flows through that little tear is insignificant.
i have a decent understanding of how they work and i disagree, thats why you have to explain it more. 3-4gpm at 80psi when cold and 45psi when hot is not a lot. i think that probably half that could go through those 'tiny insignificant' tears when the oil is hot.