I know, I know.. too new this does not count but i just had to re-post about driving tonight, wifes accord has the 3.0 v-6 in it, i decided to rip it a up a bit tonight on the way to the mart.. so here goes, from a dead stop in pouring rain "standing water" i goosed the accord straight to 4500 RPM "redline starts at 6500" these tires didnt even start to break free !! running approx 45mph downhill i made a right hand turn and again goosed it hard mid appex, I felt extremely little if any slip "still in pouring rain" At 60mph i all but stood on the brakes, almost at full lock point, extremely fast breaking, no slipping.. and last but not least i found several small ponds to go through at around 50-55mph, NO PULLING at all, it tracked straight and true.. Im impressed. What i dont care for so much.. these tires are deffinately making more noise than the take off's and im deffinately feeling more road, bumps, ect. I can deffinately tell im on a much more sporty tire. overall for the bucks there great.