Thoughts on Cerma

[klingon]

Hello,

I am new here, there is a guy on vt.org that swears by this product, every post no matter what it is about he mentions it. He also seems to think that this product is why his car produces too much boost (that it is so good his turbo produces more boost). Everything I have looked at on this webiste ( Cermastore cermastore.com/cart1/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29795 ) points to this product being made out of snake oil. Anyone ever use this? Thoughts?

 

[Bandito440]

Welcome!

This looks like unicorn tears to me. I imagine it has great wallet-emptying properties.

 

[klingon]

Originally Posted By: Bandito440
Welcome!

This looks like unicorn tears to me. I imagine it has great wallet-emptying properties.


I seem to have failed at making that link in my first post. If you do go to their "metallurgy" page it is hilarious, wear being better on non treated samples, pictures of surface tests in so low resolution they may as well be pixel art. Heading on to the "how does our snake oil work" page, we have quote "Nano-molecules will bind with carbon chains to form Ceramic" and then half a paragraph further its says Quote "Contains 99.9% synthetic Nano ceramic compounds."

Haha,
Then it goes on to explain how it works while skirting around the actual ingredients, listing HP and Emissions numbers with no proof of where they got the numbers (IE Dyno) Claims of 92% reduction in emissions.


But the guy at my forums is acting like its is the second coming of Jesus. Either he is being paid too, or maybe he inhaled some cerma fumes?

 

[Clevy]

Is it a product like ceratec by liqui moly or something? The attempted like didn't pan out.
Sounds like ceratec and if it is ceratec the stuff works as described however the extra boost comment sounds absurd to me.
Could a working link be found so we can get the products data sheet and so on.

Thank you

 

[djb]

Originally Posted By: Bandito440
Welcome!

This looks like unicorn tears to me. I imagine it has great wallet-emptying properties.


Yes, but these are not your average unicorns. These are unicorns careful about what they eat!

The web page claims 'Cerma is 100% Organic'. They might even be vegan unicorns!

 

[klingon]

Originally Posted By: Clevy
Is it a product like ceratec by liqui moly or something? The attempted like didn't pan out.
Sounds like ceratec and if it is ceratec the stuff works as described however the extra boost comment sounds absurd to me.
Could a working link be found so we can get the products data sheet and so on.

Thank you

cerma

 

[Kestas]

I had a lot to say about similar products five years ago.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1233508&fpart=1

 

[Challenger71]

Cerma utilizes nano-particles in metallo-ceramic form quite similar to Ceratec and other brands such as Xado. The technology has already shown substantial benefits in internal combustion engines, specifically in the piston ring/bore areas.

 

[Kestas]

So why isn't everybody using it, including OEM to help meet CAFE and other performance targets?

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: Kestas
So why isn't everybody using it, including OEM to help meet CAFE and other performance targets?


I can't speak for an oem as to why they choose to ignore it however if history is any example oem's are against additives as a whole no matter what they have proven able to do.

Didn't vw have an mos2 additive at one point in the 70s to help with their air cooled engines overheating?
And of course the allied planes during ww2 having mos2 in their sumps in case of the Germans shooting out their oil pans.
I've got cera-tec stockpiled in my garage and the charger has already been treated once.
I get better mileage than the sixxer equipped chargers only since treating the hemi with ceratec and mos2,which leaves only 1 explanation as to why.
Could it be the whole conspiracy theory that implies that oem's don't want engines to last any longer than possible so the consumer has to buy a new vehicle,not that I buy into the idea however if mos2 and ceratec make engines last longer it stands to reason that an oem wouldn't suggest its use.
Just to keep this straight I don't believe that there is any such conspiracy,although when the 20 grades took over I read countless threads suggesting shorter engine life using a thinner grade oil which still hasn't been proven a decade later,what I am saying is that the possibility exists.

 

[Challenger71]

nano lubricants come with a significant price penalty. Most people would choose not to pay that much extra for it.

Originally Posted By: Kestas
So why isn't everybody using it, including OEM to help meet CAFE and other performance targets?

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: Challenger71
nano lubricants come with a significant price penalty. Most people would choose not to pay that much extra for it.

Originally Posted By: Kestas
So why isn't everybody using it, including OEM to help meet CAFE and other performance targets?



Sounds plausible.
Why pay more for lubricants when a cheaper lube will do right.
If an oem specifies something specific such as a certain brand and ONLY it is allowed then they have to supply it for free from what I understand of the moss/magnussen act which is why an oem creates a spec to which a lubricant manufacturer will blend to meet,unless I'm misunderstanding the specifics of the M-M act.

 

[nepadriver]

I love anything with the word "nano", "carbon fiber" and or "polymer" in the name or description of a product. I think it can make anything better. Just try this exercise:

Nano-cheeseburger technology.
Nano polymer cheeseburger technology.
Nano polymer carbon fiber cheeseburger technology.

Each one sounds more delicious than the last.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: nepadriver
I love anything with the word "nano", "carbon fiber" and or "polymer" in the name or description of a product. I think it can make anything better. Just try this exercise:

Nano-cheeseburger technology.
Nano polymer cheeseburger technology.
Nano polymer carbon fiber cheeseburger technology.

Each one sounds more delicious than the last.



hahaha, a great entertainment post! I loved it.