This looks like a job for ARX!

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Someone I know has been taking his '01 S80 to the dealer for bulk fill 5w30 changes . . . every 10k. Servicing it by the book, or so he thought. He was told NEVER to use synthetics in it by the dealer knuckleheads.

Just past 90k, the oil light comes on. Finds out it's 3+ quarts low. Tops it off. The light doesn't go off. Dealer rules out a bad pressure sensor and wants $500 more "just to look" at the crankcase. We know where this is going.

I give him 5 minutes yesterday and "took a look". The fill cap and baffle are covered with very heavy sludge. The dipstick is brown as a fudgesickle. No further need to look. It's a lubrication heart attack in progress.

Did an emergency ARX change on the spot. The drain plug was severely overtorqued and the plug gasket had been reused repeatedly. The filter housing nearly stripped my filter wrench from being overtightened. At $125/hr, gentle hands must be hard to find at that dealer.

As of today, the light has gone off. It seems to be staying off . . . most of the time. Got him on the highway in it today, driving the heck out of it, getting that engine off the brink.

If he can get the next 500 miles in without it starving, he may just dodge a bullet.

But with all that is now known about the later Volvo turbos, dealers pumping bulk conventional at that interval is just plain IRRESPONSIBLE. Yet it goes on and on and on.

If it survives, he's taking it to an indy from now on.
 
Nice 'save'. Would be neat to hear progress reports on this vehicle. What oil did you use for the ARX change?
 
What a nightmare! Hopefully he can get something out of the dealer for there clear negligence in this case. I bet that filter weighs about 10 pounds when you first change it!
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Better have some filters on hand for some swaps. Cut those bad boys open too and take some pics!

Kind of irresponsible to let it get 3 qts low......oops.
 
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Originally Posted By: Volvohead
Someone I know has been taking his '01 S80 to the dealer for bulk fill 5w30 changes . . . every 10k. Servicing it by the book, or so he thought. He was told NEVER to use synthetics in it by the dealer knuckleheads.

Just past 90k, the oil light comes on. Finds out it's 3+ quarts low. Tops it off. The light doesn't go off. Dealer rules out a bad pressure sensor and wants $500 more "just to look" at the crankcase. We know where this is going.

I give him 5 minutes yesterday and "took a look". The fill cap and baffle are covered with very heavy sludge. The dipstick is brown as a fudgesickle. No further need to look. It's a lubrication heart attack in progress.

Did an emergency ARX change on the spot. The drain plug was severely overtorqued and the plug gasket had been reused repeatedly. The filter housing nearly stripped my filter wrench from being overtightened. At $125/hr, gentle hands must be hard to find at that dealer.

As of today, the light has gone off. It seems to be staying off . . . most of the time. Got him on the highway in it today, driving the heck out of it, getting that engine off the brink.

If he can get the next 500 miles in without it starving, he may just dodge a bullet.

But with all that is now known about the later Volvo turbos, dealers pumping bulk conventional at that interval is just plain IRRESPONSIBLE. Yet it goes on and on and on.

If it survives, he's taking it to an indy from now on.


Volvohead, I would definetly tell your friend to get this car out on the highway as much as he can to give this car a long hot run.

It might also be a good idea to check the PCV Valve and any hoses in the PCV system.

Again this car needs to be driven a long time as much as possible, no short trip driving. It might also be good to make sure the thermostat is working properly and not stuck open.
 
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Nice 'save'. Would be neat to hear progress reports on this vehicle. What oil did you use for the ARX change?


Conventional Valvoline (no limit on sale at AA this week). This one looks too rough for RTS or anything more complex. We just want to get the blood flowing at this point.

We've got boxes of Mahles and Manns laying around here. But I'm picking up a new Assenmacher today. My old wrench took a real beating getting that housing off. The housing literally groaned coming off.

Most dealers don't care once the car gets this old. They use it to steer the unsuspecting to the showroom floor for a new one.

If I can get pix, I will.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
So where are the "syn = today's conventional oil" people?

The "book" says every 7500 miles or six months. The original post said 10k and did not specify how long the car when between services in terms of time.

Anyway, it sounds like a tough job for Auto-RX. Good luck.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Pablo
So where are the "syn = today's conventional oil" people?

The "book" says every 7500 miles or six months. The original post said 10k and did not specify how long the car when between services in terms of time.


You didn't really answer the question.
 
The real syn is running bulk dino for 10K each OCI. I am not so sure that 10K on full syn would have been adequate OCI's on this unit. Perhaps this is the dealers new method of trying to sell new cars in the current economy.

That said, the owner is likely looking at 2 or multiple ARX treatments to get back to square, running 2500-3000 mile OCIs. Pay me now or pay me later kind of thing.
 
Based on vehicle age and mileage, this car was getting a change every 10-12 mos on average.

No later turbo Volvo can go that long on ANY conventional, and it would overtax quite a few synthetics. The extra quart in the six isn't enough to compensate.

Good news. The idiot light has now gone off and is staying off.

So it's now just a question of working the ARX. Already got several hundred highway miles in. Plenty more very long drives ahead. This is a three treatment project, IMO. The only concern is keeping an eye on filter loading.

Like many, this owner left everything to the dealer. Big mistake. I have NO clue why 10K changes were performed; the warranty interval is 7500. That may be his opening if the engine grenades. But I think the most critical period has safely passed.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Pablo
So where are the "syn = today's conventional oil" people?

The "book" says every 7500 miles or six months. The original post said 10k and did not specify how long the car when between services in terms of time.


You didn't really answer the question.

I sure did.

We cannot conclude that conventional oil was the problem until we can verify that the Volvo recommended service intervals were followed.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Pablo
So where are the "syn = today's conventional oil" people?

The "book" says every 7500 miles or six months. The original post said 10k and did not specify how long the car when between services in terms of time.


You didn't really answer the question.

I sure did.

We cannot conclude that conventional oil was the problem until we can verify that the Volvo recommended service intervals were followed.


I was not saying "conventional oil was the problem" I was merely saying it does not belong in a turbo Volvo doing 10K and ~11 month oil changes.

The question remains: Where are the "syn = today's conventional oil" people?
 
Just make sure to change out the filters at the sludge intervals. I underestimated the sludge in my Dad's van and was horrified at what I found in the filter after the 2nd rinse.

It was obvious that the filter was in bypass for sometime.

Don't make my mistake.
 
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
So where are the "syn = today's conventional oil" people?

Maybe those people need to qualify that statement with "in a non-turbo Honda engine."
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I wouldn't even say that, but Honda does allow 10k mile OCIs on conventional for non-severe use. Granted, Amsoil is good for 25k miles in this case, if you drive that much in a year.

Most BITOGers like to change their oil anyway, and can't leave it alone for a year.
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