THIS is Texas? 6º F

Pointing out the inherent weakness of the wind/gas pairing is not having a one-directional conversation, it's a component of a much larger conversation about properly planning for weather that despite not being normal for Texas, IS for other parts of the country and other parts of the world. One can be discussed while acknowledging that it is a subset of a larger suite of issues. It's an important topic, but so is the rest of that stuff, particularly if one believes that these events will become more frequent in the future. Planning for that becomes important and there are sources currently available that don't have those vulnerabilities.

There were plenty of recommendations for Texas to prepare for poor weather after the 2011 winter.

The parts of Texas that aren't on the Texas grid did a lot better. El Paso is on the western power grid, but they also invested in preparing for colder temperatures.

https://kvia.com/news/el-paso/2021/...outages-like-the-rest-of-texas-and-heres-why/
El Paso Electric said they always try to prepare for the future and after a winter storm in 2011, the utility company worked towards replacing and upgrading their equipment. Many generators now have antifreeze protection.

"We went from plus-10 degrees which was what the original equipment was designed for to a minus-10, so currently everything we install or upgrade is done to a minus-10 degree sustained temperature," said Louie Guarderrama, director of operations for the utility company.
 
Not sure I follow if this particular customer picked a variable rate plan. Yeah they're going to regret it but variable rate plans exist for a reason.
Everyone in the state is on a variable rate plan. They put us all on it when they replaced our old mechanical meters with "smart" meters, because now they could track not only how much power was used, but WHEN it was used.
 
Why does Texas need to do anything at all ? It seems the likelihood of this sort of winter event occurring again is maybe in another 50 or 75 years? Their generation and grid is already more than sufficient to keep everyone cooled during the summer, which is what their focus should be on anyway.

Give it a few weeks and let some other national drama capture everyone's mind and this past week will have been forgotten. The public has such a fleeting attention span anyway.
EXACTLY RIGHT. Its pretty much over now anyway. Power is back on.
 
There were plenty of recommendations for Texas to prepare for poor weather after the 2011 winter.

The parts of Texas that aren't on the Texas grid did a lot better. El Paso is on the western power grid, but they also invested in preparing for colder temperatures.

Excellent point. This isn't, pardon the pun, their first rodeo. Texas has had extreme weather events in the not-so-distant past and there is of course the possibility for that in the future, so one would expect that preparedness might get considered. Meredith Angwin wrote a book that touches on this subject called "Shorting the Grid"

Which delves into the issues with deregulated markets like what Texas operates and how the pursuit of profits doesn't reward high CAPEX resiliency upgrades where the lowest possible OPEX allows one to sell the most capacity. This is the main reason for the wind/gas pairing as both are extremely low OPEX (wind has almost zero OPEX) and low CAPEX procurement cost and the fracking revolution has made gas the natural pairing with wind's intermittency at the cheapest possible price.

If these events were frequent enough to make further bolstering of these assets profitable, it would be pursued, but at this juncture, in this type of framework, that's not the case. It will be interesting to see if any policy is enacted after this to attempt to modify that behaviour or not.

Some obvious examples of this are:
- No generator housing buildings at the nuke plants. There is no "turbine hall", the unit sits on a slab out in the open
- No heat systems on the wind turbines (blades, controls, turbine housing)
- No heat tracing on gas pumps

I doubt we'll see any upgrades on any of those things even though things like a turbine hall that could be heated would be a very cheap addition.

Further interconnectivity would have helped but the massive deficit of 10's of thousands of MW would have required absolutely massive links in order to fully mitigate, which is realistically not viable. Recall that the trip at Beck II caused a massive grid collapse in Ontario and the northern US states that was exasperated by the nature of the interconnects and the 2,000MW link to Quebec was not significant.
 
Its pretty much over now anyway. Power is back on.
Just because the power is ON doesn't mean that this episode is over. It is FAR from over! Millions of people are now going to have to deal with the aftermath of this debacle, from property damage (some major) to finding food. Then there is the water problem. We are going to be dealing with this for many months.
 
I think it boils down to choices.
We just landed a space ship 300M miles from earth smack down into a crater. Suspended by cables.
Pretty neat trick, if ya ask me. Gonna bring back some dirt and rocks... Freakin' amazing! Perseverance!

But here in money rich CA we burn down our beautiful forrests and millions of people in TX had to melt snow to flush and such.
Again, I only hope our brothers and sisters in the Great State of Texas are OK.
Just my 2 cents...
Perseverance landing.webp
 
Just because the power is ON doesn't mean that this episode is over. It is FAR from over! Millions of people are now going to have to deal with the aftermath of this debacle, from property damage (some major) to finding food. Then there is the water problem. We are going to be dealing with this for many months.

IMO this is being a bit dramatic, especially the part about food. Nobody in Texas is going to starve over this.

Property damage is not new to Texas. It'll be dealt with like when hail storms and tornadoes hit in previous years. People will rebuild their lives.
 
There were plenty of recommendations for Texas to prepare for poor weather after the 2011 winter.

The parts of Texas that aren't on the Texas grid did a lot better. El Paso is on the western power grid, but they also invested in preparing for colder temperatures.
Or little towns like mine where a smaller percentage have all electric homes. Houses here are not large development projects … they are custom built and folks jump on gas because gas lines are there already …
 
I think it boils down to choices.
We just landed a space ship 300M miles from earth smack down into a crater. Suspended by cables.
Pretty neat trick, if ya ask me. Gonna bring back some dirt and rocks... Freakin' amazing! Perseverance!

But here in money rich CA we burn down our beautiful forrests and millions of people in TX had to melt snow to flush and such.
Again, I only hope our brothers and sisters in the Great State of Texas are OK.
Just my 2 cents...
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Yup, and that little guy is nuclear powered ;)

Unlike older Mars rovers, Perseverance and its Curiosity sibling rely on nuclear power. Essentially a “nuclear battery,” both rovers use energy generated by the decay of plutonium to charge onboard lithium batteries during dormancy. While the Department of Energy-provided hardware can power Perseverance for up to 14 years, the rover’s mission is currently set to last at least one Martian year (two Earth years
 
Just because the power is ON doesn't mean that this episode is over. It is FAR from over! Millions of people are now going to have to deal with the aftermath of this debacle, from property damage (some major) to finding food. Then there is the water problem. We are going to be dealing with this for many months.
I’m going to save money … no home damage and my water bill will be down this summer 😎
(it’s all dead, LoL) …
 
IMO this is being a bit dramatic, especially the part about food. Nobody in Texas is going to starve over this.

Property damage is not new to Texas. It'll be dealt with like when hail storms and tornadoes hit in previous years. People will rebuild their lives.
ESPECIALLY the food! Dramatic? NO! Have you seen pictures/videos of what is available in our grocery stores? No food, NONE! I was there this morning, I waited in line for an hour and came home empty handed. No meat, no dairy products, no produce, no frozen foods, no canned goods, no bread, no pasta, no water, not even a package of potato chips. NO FOOD! It was an amazing and scary sight.
First there was panic buying last Friday through Sunday, then the power went out and all of the stores and residents lost their perishables, then the stores haven't been able to restock because the trucks weren't moving. Furthermore, all of the restaurants have been closed for a week (many still are because they can't get food either) and every Texas resident has been home and eating everything they had left in the house.
 
ESPECIALLY the food! Dramatic? NO! Have you seen pictures/videos of what is available in our grocery stores? No food, NONE! I was there this morning, I waited in line for an hour and came home empty handed. No meat, no dairy products, no produce, no frozen foods, no canned goods, no bread, no pasta, no water, not even a package of potato chips. NO FOOD! It was an amazing and scary sight.
First there was panic buying last Friday through Sunday, then the power went out and all of the stores and residents lost their perishables, then the stores haven't been able to restock because the trucks weren't moving. Furthermore, all of the restaurants have been closed for a week (many still are because they can't get food either) and every Texas resident has been home and eating everything they had left in the house.
What part of Texas do you live exactly? My daughter and son-in-law live in Houston, and although food is "short" it is still available as long as you're not too picky about what you want. They went to a couple of stores yesterday afternoon and got what they needed. Maybe not what they wanted but what they needed.
 
What part of Texas do you live exactly? My daughter and son-in-law live in Houston, and although food is "short" it is still available as long as you're not too picky about what you want. They went to a couple of stores yesterday afternoon and got what they needed. Maybe not what they wanted but what they needed.
Austin. Maybe Houston didn't have the panic buying to extent that we did last weekend. There wasn't much left in our stores by Sunday night.
 
What part of Texas do you live exactly? My daughter and son-in-law live in Houston, and although food is "short" it is still available as long as you're not too picky about what you want. They went to a couple of stores yesterday afternoon and got what they needed. Maybe not what they wanted but what they needed.
Same here … I’m in good shape and others can have the mad rush at stores … BBQ place had a loooong line yesterday cooking with a high tech fuel called split Live Oak 🙂
 
No one is literally starving. Food is easily found although you might have to look around a bit. Roads are clearing, sun is out, temps are rising, traffic is flowing, most buisnesses are reopened (if they ever shut down at all).

YES I know there are isolated spots where issues exist. They will get fixed too. To try to spin this as an EPIC CATASTROPHE is wrong. "CATASTROPHES" are when homes are litereally swept away by Cat 4 storm surge, not "oh, I have a busted pipe outside, dang it".

Things are getting back to normal as we speak.
 
ESPECIALLY the food! Dramatic? NO! Have you seen pictures/videos of what is available in our grocery stores? No food, NONE! I was there this morning, I waited in line for an hour and came home empty handed. No meat, no dairy products, no produce, no frozen foods, no canned goods, no bread, no pasta, no water, not even a package of potato chips. NO FOOD! It was an amazing and scary sight.
I went without any real food for over two weeks during Rita and Ike. I lived off whatever I had like canned goods warmed over a George Foreman grill on the tailgate of my truck in a parking lot. I survived just fine, but I want to help.

Where do you live? I will send you some food if you are LITERALLY starving to death.
 
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I went without any real food for over two weeks during Rita and Ike. I lived off whatever I had like canned goods warmed over a George Forman grill on the tailgate of my truck in a parking lot. I survived just fine, but I want to help.

Where do you live? I will send you some food if you are LITERALLY starving to death.
I'm not starving, but many unfortunate people are hungry, and the parents with little ones that are hungry are in panic mode. You are resourceful, so am I, but many people are not. Let's not forget about the fact that we also have the pandemic to deal with, and along with it, the unemployment and food insecurity for many families. This was a hard blow to many families that were already suffering.
 
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