This "EV Thing" isn't going away.....

[OVERKILL]

BMW is switching to 4680 sized cells.

Yep, I know, that's old news now, part of their new platform transition (and probably makes the most sense given Tesla's lead here) but, as I said, they've been using prismatic for quite a while now in the i3 and their PHEV's and haven't had durability issues AFAIK.

 

[UncleDave]

Yep, I know, that's old news now, part of their new platform transition (and probably makes the most sense given Tesla's lead here) but, as I said, they've been using prismatic for quite a while now in the i3 and their PHEV's and haven't had durability issues AFAIK.

Not sure what the guys in the thread may or may not have read - I should have agreed with you before I threw that in. (coz i do)

They seem to have done OK with them.

I know Bjorn Nyland had an overheat problem, and oddly when fixed his travel time went up.

 

[CKN]

Once they satisfy the desires of all of those who *want* one.... then it will be a true uphill battle.

Jalopnik is far from being a neutral and unbiased source.

So you want the statistics quoted from another source? OK!
https://insideevs.com/news/621009/us-electric-car-registrations-n-september2022/

 

[ecotourist]

That might work now but when more EVs are on the roads that will clog up charging stations. Plus, the unknown like an accident blocking with a long detour or no detour route will result in a lot of dead vehicles.

There were prominent newspaper stories a year or so ago about lines of Teslas waiting to charge at Hope BC on weekends. (Hope is just the right distance from Vancouver for charging on your way inland). This past spring when we headed inland there were 3 Teslas charging at 12 stations at a new 250 kW Supercharger (there are now 2 Superchargers at Hope). On the way back, only 2 weeks later, there were 24 charging stations.

A few years ago there weren't many Superchargers in western Canada. Now there are 250 kW Superchargers along the major routes at appropriate spacings.

So there is no need to worry that Tesla will be standing still.

And by the way the Tesla stations are well maintained. We found only one station (at an 8 station Supercharger) out of order and that was on a Sunday. There was also a telephone number prominently displayed to report trouble. I don't suppose it stayed out of order very long.

 

[UncleDave]

There were prominent newspaper stories a year or so ago about lines of Teslas waiting to charge at Hope BC on weekends. (Hope is just the right distance from Vancouver for charging on your way inland). This past spring when we headed inland there were 3 Teslas charging at 12 stations at a new 250 kW Supercharger (there are now 2 Superchargers at Hope). On the way back, only 2 weeks later, there were 24 charging stations.

A few years ago there weren't many Superchargers in western Canada. Now there are 250 kW Superchargers along the major routes at appropriate spacings.

So there is no need to worry that Tesla will be standing still.

And by the way the Tesla stations are well maintained. We found only one station (at an 8 station Supercharger) out of order and that was on a Sunday. There was also a telephone number prominently displayed to report trouble. I don't suppose it stayed out of order very long.

Superchargers aren't the problem, or are in rare events like ultra high traffic weekends at super popular destinations - it's everything else.

 

[JeffKeryk]

All kidding aside how long does it take to charge a Tesla from 5%-80%, best case, and about how many miles will that charge take the car? Our stops for fuel and a squirt typically take less than 10 minutes. I read super changing a Tesla can take about 15 minutes and take the car about 200 miles. If that's the case sorry to say I'm not still impressed. Most cars can easily double that distance on a tank of gas, and if you eliminate the squirt break, fill up in under 5 minutes and back on the road..

Question for you: How often do you drive over 200 miles, each way, in a day?
Let's say you have a 200 mile trip to make. Start with a full tank (easy if you can charge at home).
Drive to you destination. If you are going to a friend/family, you could possibly charge at their house. Or fill up at a Supercharger. If so, catch up on email, texts, phone calls, whatever.
Drive home and plug in. Easy peasy.

Now, if you drive under 100 miles per day, assuming you can charge at home @240V, you have no need to go to a Supercharger. The amount of time saved is 100%. Plus, you save the fuel and time spent going to the gas station. I just drove 27 miles round trip to Costco to get $5 per gallon gas. Left the house at 7:30 AM on a Sunday. Our Model 3 is full just sitting the garage.

Add in other possibilities some have like charging at work, the library, Wall World, hospitals, downtown, and much more.

There is no doubt long trips do not favor Teslas. But that's only part of the story.

 

[UncleDave]

Question for you: How often do you drive over 200 miles, each way, in a day?
Let's say you have a 200 mile trip to make. Start with a full tank (easy if you can charge at home).
Drive to you destination. If you are going to a friend/family, you could possibly charge at their house. Or fill up at a Supercharger. If so, catch up on email, texts, phone calls, whatever.
Drive home and plug in. Easy peasy.

Now, if you drive under 100 miles per day, assuming you can charge at home @240V, you have no need to go to a Supercharger. The amount of time saved is 100%. Plus, you save the fuel and time spent going to the gas station. I just drove 27 miles round trip to Costco to get $5 per gallon gas. Left the house at 7:30 AM on a Sunday. Our Model 3 is full just sitting the garage.

Add in other possibilities some have like charging at work, the library, Wall World, hospitals, downtown, and much more.

There is no doubt long trips do not favor Teslas. But that's only part of the story.

in trip time comprisons Ice travels times almost always exclude 2 stops.

1. The fill up before you leave or right after leaving.
2. The fill up upon or after arrival, for the trip back home.

 

[EspressoJunky]

Question for you: How often do you drive over 200 miles, each way, in a day?
Let's say you have a 200 mile trip to make. Start with a full tank (easy if you can charge at home).
Drive to you destination. If you are going to a friend/family, you could possibly charge at their house. Or fill up at a Supercharger. If so, catch up on email, texts, phone calls, whatever.
Drive home and plug in. Easy peasy.

Now, if you drive under 100 miles per day, assuming you can charge at home @240V, you have no need to go to a Supercharger. The amount of time saved is 100%. Plus, you save the fuel and time spent going to the gas station. I just drove 27 miles round trip to Costco to get $5 per gallon gas. Left the house at 7:30 AM on a Sunday. Our Model 3 is full just sitting the garage.

Add in other possibilities some have like charging at work, the library, Wall World, hospitals, downtown, and much more.

There is no doubt long trips do not favor Teslas. But that's only part of the story.

Why drive out of the way to save a bit when you're offsetting that with the time/mileage involved? I always factor in a fuel stop on my route regardless so no time/mileage is wasted. Not everyone pisses away the refueling process. What I consider idiotic fuel stops is those that will stop somewhere every day to dump $5 in the tank and yes I personally have known some that do that, thinking they're somehow saving over filling once a week!

 

[JeffKeryk]

Why drive out of the way to save a bit when you're offsetting that with the time/mileage involved? I always factor in a fuel stop on my route regardless so no time/mileage is wasted. Not everyone pisses away the refueling process. What I consider idiotic fuel stops is those that will stop somewhere every day to dump $5 in the tank and yes I personally have known some that do that, thinking they're somehow saving over filling once a week!

Because it's 50 cents a gallon cheaper. Or more. Still not optimal. There is no good answer, except drive the Tesla more. Wifey loves her TSX.
We generally are Costco shopping anyway, so it is less of a waste. My point is, people talk about a "5 minute fillup". That's an exaggeration in many cases.

 

[EspressoJunky]

Because it's 50 cents a gallon cheaper. Or more. Still not optimal. There is no good answer, except drive the Tesla more. Wifey loves her TSX.
We generally are Costco shopping anyway, so it is less of a waste. My point is, people talk about a "5 minute fillup". That's an exaggeration in many cases.

In this area the wholesale clubs average .10-.15 cheaper than most places and I personally won't bother with it. Not to get into the whole fuel argument, but I do stick with tried/true brand name like Shell. Just how I roll as I've never had a single fuel related issue with them or carbon buildup in DI and closing in on 100K miles with this one. Of course there's many variables at play, but quality fuel is a concern and I don't mind paying a bit more for that.

My fill up is that at most as I pull to the pump, swipe my Shell card, fill the tank and roll. I never go out of my way to fill up and like the Shell card discounts.

 

[philipp10]

Do you have the data for that?


Maybe...

Here's some numbers... Tesla made more profit last qtr the the mighty Totota did, even though Toyota sold 8 times as many cars.
That's some serious demand.

And Tesla is lowering prices in some areas, like China. This will CRUSH the competition. They switched production schedlue from "build to order" to "build to forecast". Profits will soar. In China, customers have to sign a contract to not resell in the 1st year due to excess demand.

Anyone else even make a profit on EVs? Anyone else make close to 30% GM on any of their vehicles?

People are delusional if they think EV's will be a niche market. EV's will br lower cost of ownership in a decade if not sooner. LOWER COST! You read it here first.

 

[Rmay635703]

. My point is, people talk about a "5 minute fillup". That's an exaggeration in many cases.

Just today my 12.5 gallon fillup in the old Dodge took 15 minutes of just “filling time”, I swear I could urinate faster,
glad I didn’t need to put in all 26 gallons.

Seems like this happens everytime the seasons change and randomly in the winter, some busy stations where every stall is filling end up at a trickle too.

my fathers diesel pusher and the 110 gallon tank would sometimes take over a half hour because the pump would keep clicking off.

 

[sk_pete]

Prismatics too. They are in essence, pouch cells in a box. The box is often larger than a cylindrical cell and structurally unable to handle expansion in the same manner as a cylinder.

EDIT: I remain utterly convinced Tesla (and by default, companies that copy Tesla) has the absolute best battery technology. Tesla is well aware of what GM and others are doing, especially the 800V charging. Elon mentioned higher than 350KW charging years ago. Tesla chooses charging rates carefully. Don't expect long battery life at high charge rates. Or when charging instantly in cold weather.

Here is a prismatic battery that has experienced a bit of a problem:
Note: no, this is not the formulation or design GM uses, however, all prismatics are subject to swelling.

Also, LG is now making the 4680:

i haven´t seen a square pressure canisters either

 

[PimTac]

We generally are Costco shopping anyway, so it is less of a waste. My point is, people talk about a "5 minute fillup". That's an exaggeration in many cases.

No it’s not. A lot of us pull in, use Apple Pay or a card, fill up and go.

 

[cptnsolo77]

No its not. The "EV thing" is a "global thing"

 

[EspressoJunky]

No its not. The "EV thing" is a "global thing"

Same could be said for organic living, just far from practical for many on a daily basis! Might improve life .000000095%, but just a trend to pacify some.

 

[Snagglefoot]

In any case, always watch the BEV numbers. Some writers try to throw Hybrid statistics in with the BEV’s.

 

[Rmay635703]

In any case, always watch the BEV numbers. Some writers try to throw Hybrid statistics in with the BEV’s.

Wisconsin had 3000 plug ins back in 2013, we are up over 6000.

Comparatively a big change but not out of millions of cars.

The EV takeoff has missed half the country

 

[earlyre]

If and when someone makes a "Model 2", sales will explode.

I get what you mean but.. tesla won't make a Model 2 anytime soon...
1) Model 3 was supposed to be the mass market car.
2) Elon wanted to name the Model 3, The Model E. that way Model range would be SEXY.
The "Model E" trademark was already taken, so, he flipped it to a 3, that way, the model range is still S3XY.
Not a joke. he actually said that.

 

[UncleDave]

Wisconsin had 3000 plug ins back in 2013, we are up over 6000.

Comparatively a big change but not out of millions of cars.

The EV takeoff has missed half the country

When you count houses how's the picture look?

These things are expensive and since cars are a depreciating liability maybe half the country has it right.