This "EV Thing" isn't going away.....

[alarmguy]

As I stated earlier there is a different mindset here vs. CA. Regarding the map, several of those areas I'd be afraid of getting car jacked while waiting for it to charge up. One more thing worth noting with the map. I live in western Nassau, where there would be no need for me to go to a super charger, I could charge at home. The L.I. trip I mentioned is heading east on the island where some of those super chargers along my route are half a hour drive apart. Gas stations OTOH are never more than 5-10 minutes apart.

Some people dont realize that technically Long Island is 118 miles Long.
But if you take the Cultural Long Island which Comprises Nassau ands Sufflok county and some Queens it still is a 2 hour car ride to the end.
20 Super Charges are laughable with a population of EIGHT million people.

 

[demarpaint]

Some people dont realize that technically Long Island is 118 miles Long.
But if you take the Cultural Long Island which Comprises Nassau ands Sufflok county and some Queens it still is a 2 hour car ride to the end.
20 Super Charges are laughable with a population of EIGHT million people.

LOL Great point, I didn't want to get into that. Many people also don't realize that a 22 mile ride from the Nassau Queens border into NYC can take 1.5-3.0 hours or more during rush hour.

 

[UncleDave]

Some people dont realize that technically Long Island is 118 miles Long.
But if you take the Cultural Long Island which Comprises Nassau ands Sufflok county and some Queens it still is a 2 hour car ride to the end.
20 Super Charges are laughable with a population of EIGHT million people.

If you change the question slightly to how many chargers are in that area, then eliminate all under 50KW you get a different answer.

 

[350Rocket]

It looks like the city I work realized they can't distribute enough power for the future electric needs. I didn't want to start a new thread since there are a million ev threads, I hope this one is suitable....

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Wyoming wants to phase out sales of new EVs by 2035​

In the proposed resolution, a group of lawmakers led by Senator Jim Anderson says Wyoming’s “proud and valued” oil and gas industry has created “countless” jobs and contributed revenue to the state’s coffers. They add that a lack of charging infrastructure within Wyoming would make the widespread use of EVs “impracticable” and that the state would need to build “massive amounts of new power generation” to “sustain the misadventure of electric vehicles.”

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/...-out-sales-of-new-e-vs-by-2035-200704042.html

 

[michaelluscher]

LOL Great point, I didn't want to get into that. Many people also don't realize that a 22 mile ride from the Nassau Queens border into NYC can take 1.5-3.0 hours or more during rush hour.

Let's fire up Shoreham again, it worked so well the last time (that's a joke)
I'm too young to have lost multiple years of my life to the BQE/Belt & GCP
Is EV charging rates gonna be extortionally high in rest areas with Dunkin's just like ?

 

[demarpaint]

Let's fire up Shoreham again, it worked so well the last time (that's a joke)
I'm too young to have lost multiple years of my life to the BQE/Belt & GCP
Is EV charging rates gonna be extortionally high in rest areas with Dunkin's just like ?

I remember Shoreham, a disaster in the making. Hopefully if they go that route again they'll have a viable evacuation plan in effect, good luck with that. As it is now getting off L.I. during rush hour is a joke, imagine a nuclear disaster.

 

[OVERKILL]

Let's fire up Shoreham again, it worked so well the last time (that's a joke)
I'm too young to have lost multiple years of my life to the BQE/Belt & GCP
Is EV charging rates gonna be extortionally high in rest areas with Dunkin's just like ?

Yet there are research reactors at Brookhaven That was indeed a boondoggle however.

 

[demarpaint]

Yet there are research reactors at Brookhaven That was indeed a boondoggle however.

We don't see or hear much commentary about that. For the most part Shoreham is pretty much forgotten.

 

[edyvw]

Wyoming wants to phase out sales of new EVs by 2035​

In the proposed resolution, a group of lawmakers led by Senator Jim Anderson says Wyoming’s “proud and valued” oil and gas industry has created “countless” jobs and contributed revenue to the state’s coffers. They add that a lack of charging infrastructure within Wyoming would make the widespread use of EVs “impracticable” and that the state would need to build “massive amounts of new power generation” to “sustain the misadventure of electric vehicles.”

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/...-out-sales-of-new-e-vs-by-2035-200704042.html

If it were not tragic, it would be seriously funny.

 

[OVERKILL]

We don't see or hear much commentary about that. For the most part Shoreham is pretty much forgotten.

And it has been decommissioned is my understanding.

 

[demarpaint]

And it has been decommissioned is my understanding.

I believe so.

 

[aquariuscsm]

@JeffKeryk

I was at HEB getting gas the other day. HEB stores are installing banks of Tesla charging stations. They were all full and in use. The cars being charged sounded like idling jet planes. Sounded really cool! What on those Teslas makes that sound while being charged?

 

[alarmguy]

And it has been decommissioned is my understanding.

Yes and according to this can now be used as a filming location.
Link also contains an inside view of the control room. Sad story and well, I am sure you know how these things can go sideways in the USA>

https://www.scoutingny.com/scouting-a-decommissioned-nuclear-power-plant/

 

[demarpaint]

@JeffKeryk

I was at HEB getting gas the other day. HEB stores are installing banks of Tesla charging stations. They were all full and in use. The cars being charged sounded like idling jet planes. Sounded really cool! What on those Teslas makes that sound while being charged?

The sound is from the Flux Capacitor reaching peak capacity. And the juice being sucked from the power grid.

 

[JeffKeryk]

@JeffKeryk

I was at HEB getting gas the other day. HEB stores are installing banks of Tesla charging stations. They were all full and in use. The cars being charged sounded like idling jet planes. Sounded really cool! What on those Teslas makes that sound while being charged?

Dunno, gotta be the electric hum... I charge at home. But you will see more of this.

 

[PimTac]

Charging stations in Seattle are getting popular,,,,, with thieves.


https://komonews.com/news/local/veh...washington-truck-drive-cable-app-supply-chain

 

[UncleDave]

@JeffKeryk

I was at HEB getting gas the other day. HEB stores are installing banks of Tesla charging stations. They were all full and in use. The cars being charged sounded like idling jet planes. Sounded really cool! What on those Teslas makes that sound while being charged?

Typically it's the coolant loop. Fast charging produces a ton of heat.

Especially in hot weather a supercharger stations sounds like dozens of radiator fans.

Many chargers have a pronounced whine from the high voltage transformers on top of their own cooling fans/ circuits.

 

[leadcounsel]

Outside of ideal weather markets, for people with garages to charge them and the wealth to pay about 2x or more the costs for a comparable ICE, and as a secondary or play toy thing, the demand is just not there. An EV is only in 1 of the top 10 selling slots, and it's not only a luxury car but the only luxury car in the top ten, so it's basically simply replaced the BMW/Mercedes/Lexus sales.

They won't be replacing trucks anytime soon (read decades), and trucks are the top selling vehicles holding I think 5 of the top 10 spots. 3 slots in the top 10 are sensible SUVs, which are generally family haulers (the new mini-van or station wagon), and the other car in the top 10 is a sensible commuter. They won't be replacing ICE for anyone who commutes or travels long range. They won't be highly desirable in cold climates or rural areas, which is probably 1/2 of the US by geography and population. There are unique charging problems for those without a garage at home or secure place to charge it (apartments, condos, dorms, etc.).

So the market is essentially the millionaire suburbanite with multiple ICE vehicles who has a garage and lives from California to the Carolinas and south. That's probably a ceiling of about 20 million people is my estimate. I'd venture a big % are not interested for whatever reasons, or too frugal. As someone said earlier Tesla sells in CA 10x as many as NY. Bingo.

 

[Torrid]

Outside of ideal weather markets, for people with garages to charge them and the wealth to pay about 2x or more the costs for a comparable ICE, and as a secondary or play toy thing, the demand is just not there. An EV is only in 1 of the top 10 selling slots, and it's not only a luxury car but the only luxury car in the top ten, so it's basically simply replaced the BMW/Mercedes/Lexus sales.

They won't be replacing trucks anytime soon (read decades), and trucks are the top selling vehicles holding I think 5 of the top 10 spots. 3 slots in the top 10 are sensible SUVs, which are generally family haulers (the new mini-van or station wagon), and the other car in the top 10 is a sensible commuter. They won't be replacing ICE for anyone who commutes or travels long range. They won't be highly desirable in cold climates or rural areas, which is probably 1/2 of the US by geography and population. There are unique charging problems for those without a garage at home or secure place to charge it (apartments, condos, dorms, etc.).

So the market is essentially the millionaire suburbanite with multiple ICE vehicles who has a garage and lives from California to the Carolinas and south. That's probably a ceiling of about 20 million people is my estimate. I'd venture a big % are not interested for whatever reasons, or too frugal. As someone said earlier Tesla sells in CA 10x as many as NY. Bingo.

Millionaire suburbanite vehicles? You serious? The average truck is more expensive than a Tesla Model 3 and you know that 95% of truck buyers don't do truck things with them. It's why I no longer have a full size truck. I also don't know who has more than 100 mile one way work commutes. That and driving it daily is a fraction of driving my 30mpg+ car. A RWD Model 3 is $43k.

I won't brag about my income but it's definitely blue collar and gets me into 6 figures. I work hard for my money. I look around and see how people spend their money and it seems most are wasteful when I see what many do drive. That said I see so many electric cars now in my small midwest town. Things are trending in a more sensible direction. I can't be mad at progress. 15mpg large trucks aren't the answer for most and it seems people are starting to get that. That said my neighbor across the road is a lifted truck douche and literally drives like an ******e if I leave at the same time as him and I'm in the Tesla. I just want the hostility to go away. I don't understand why everyone gets so worked up over it. I'm sick of ******es in lifted trucks trying to run me off the road.