Thinking of a 2008 BMW Z4M

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Many Vette drivers will tell you that a C6, while rather uninvolving on the street, really comes alive on the track.

Fitted with good tires they are awesome performers, and as always are quite cheap to own over time. Get one with that awesome package deal they have where everything has a cooler on it!

And no offense to the Honda fans, but get a track like Homestead or VIR and you're going to be looking at that Vette from behind unless the driver is a complete goober. I have met many guys at events who were completely intimidated by their own car.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Many Vette drivers will tell you that a C6, while rather uninvolving on the street, really comes alive on the track.

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And no offense to the Honda fans, but get a track like Homestead or VIR and you're going to be looking at that Vette from behind unless the driver is a complete goober. I have met many guys at events who were completely intimidated by their own car.

Still not completely convinced.


Absolutely right, put the Vette on a track with some big straights and it's gone. No argument there whatsoever.
 
Originally Posted By: gofast182
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Many Vette drivers will tell you that a C6, while rather uninvolving on the street, really comes alive on the track.

...

And no offense to the Honda fans, but get a track like Homestead or VIR and you're going to be looking at that Vette from behind unless the driver is a complete goober. I have met many guys at events who were completely intimidated by their own car.

Still not completely convinced.


Absolutely right, put the Vette on a track with some big straights and it's gone. No argument there whatsoever.


The infield at Homestead is tight at the start then opens up, but each turn requires nearly a 180 back the other way. Then you get dumped out onto the giant oval. FWIW my 4 door sedan has clocked very close to 160 mph down the straight to the entrance back onto the infield raceway. A C6 Vette with a good driver and some tires might get ten mph better than that.

Not too many Hondas have legs like that. But they may run and hide on a tight autocross event or a track with lots of tight turns that suit them.

I think we are talking more about a driver than a car anyway.
 
The only way a Honda is passing a big motor car is if the track is twisty.

At Lime Rock the little motor cars get eaten alive and have to move over to get passed on the straights.

Nissan GTR's with sticky rubber pretty much own everyone. Anything faster than that is either driven very well, ie a ZR1 with a semi pro driver, or is simply exotic and driven well. Like a light weight DTM or Le Mans special, or an ex F1 car.

I love watching the classic car races. You see the 302 Boss late 60's Mustangs and Jag XKE's hang with the big block Corvettes around the corners, and soon as it opens up the big blocks just walk on them. Than into the first bend everyone has to brake early except for the XKE's and 911's who dive deep and pass on the inside. Fun racing.
 
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
The only way a Honda is passing a big motor car is if the track is twisty.

At Lime Rock the little motor cars get eaten alive and have to move over to get passed on the straights.

Nissan GTR's with sticky rubber pretty much own everyone. Anything faster than that is either driven very well, ie a ZR1 with a semi pro driver, or is simply exotic and driven well. Like a light weight DTM or Le Mans special, or an ex F1 car.

I love watching the classic car races. You see the 302 Boss late 60's Mustangs and Jag XKE's hang with the big block Corvettes around the corners, and soon as it opens up the big blocks just walk on them. Than into the first bend everyone has to brake early except for the XKE's and 911's who dive deep and pass on the inside. Fun racing.


Wow, do I miss Lime Rock! It was a wonderful place to be. Short track, but lots "O" fun. I was out on that track before I even had a drivers license. It was for a school based, driver training event in Formula V cars. Ahhhhh, circa 1976 or so. Then later, I did occasionally get out on the track in various cars. The most fun was a Lotus 23 from the company I worked for. They let me borrow it for a bit. Not super fast, but really fun.

Homestead is much more open and certainly the speeds are up there. My little turbo Miata would "dog" the boss' Ferrari Challenge car (360) around that track and hit a "rev limit" restriction of 168MPH on the straight. I'd be right behind the 360 and pull out to pass, as if I had more power, hahhahaha. The boss would cut me off and we'd have a great time. He never knew that my turbo Miata was actually dropping back a touch out of the draft.
 
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The three tracks I have run on (and where my perspective comes from) are all under 2mi long, NJMP Lightning, Pocono North Course, and Monticello Motor Club (was only there once on a small loop of the track). Hope to also get to Lime Rock and/or the new Thompson facility this coming year.
 
My local BMW CCA chapter is first in line to rent Motorsports Park- the new track being built adjacent to the Corvette Museum in Bowling Green KY.
We are asking that we be granted waivers from the comb-over/gold chains requirements, however...
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My local BMW CCA chapter is first in line to rent Motorsports Park- the new track being built adjacent to the Corvette Museum in Bowling Green KY.
We are asking that we be granted waivers from the comb-over/gold chains requirements, however...
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Hah, perfect!

The last meet I attended in Homestead was sponsored by the local Porsche chapter and their were a few of those types there also.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Hah, perfect!

The last meet I attended in Homestead was sponsored by the local Porsche chapter and their were a few of those types there also.


I don't doubt that one bit!
 
Originally Posted By: MCompact
My local BMW CCA chapter is first in line to rent Motorsports Park- the new track being built adjacent to the Corvette Museum in Bowling Green KY.
We are asking that we be granted waivers from the comb-over/gold chains requirements, however...
lol.gif



Hey, I resemble that remark!

Well, maybe not, I'm just old and bald.
 
Originally Posted By: Cujet
Originally Posted By: MCompact
My local BMW CCA chapter is first in line to rent Motorsports Park- the new track being built adjacent to the Corvette Museum in Bowling Green KY.
We are asking that we be granted waivers from the comb-over/gold chains requirements, however...
lol.gif



Hey, I resemble that remark!

Well, maybe not, I'm just old and bald.



I wonder how many women like my extremely attractive wife also LOVE bald men? She claims that is who she will leave me for one day.

You will NOT be invited to the Christmas Party!
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Cujet
Originally Posted By: MCompact
My local BMW CCA chapter is first in line to rent Motorsports Park- the new track being built adjacent to the Corvette Museum in Bowling Green KY.
We are asking that we be granted waivers from the comb-over/gold chains requirements, however...
lol.gif



Hey, I resemble that remark!

Well, maybe not, I'm just old and bald.



I wonder how many women like my extremely attractive wife also LOVE bald men? She claims that is who she will leave me for one day.

You will NOT be invited to the Christmas Party!


Trust me, women avoid me.
 
Funny enough, this popped up just as I've been thinking about getting another Z4M, but for use as a dedicated track car.

I had a beautiful Alpine White over Imola Red '06 6MT that I owned from 22k to 69k, and I miss the car more so than justaabout anything else I've sold.

Regarding problems:
The S54 is one of the absolute best engines from the past few decades, and One of the EXTREMELY small number of motors that surpass the 100bhp/liter mark. It is an incredibly involving motor, and with the sky high redline, linear hp curve and a surprisingly flat torque curve, it is just a blast. Toss it in a car like the Z4M, and you have a nearly perfect match between the motor and chassis.
Being that it is a detuned race engine for all intents, it does have a few areas that are moreprone to issues than others.

- Rod Bearings are the most commoly known issue, but they were replaced and upgraded by BMW after the '01 M3 engine issues. If you are not going to modify the engine, and if it's going to spendmost of its life on the road, then you will have little to worry about.
The best thing to do, if you want to ensure reliability even for track use only, is to preemptively upgrade them. VAC & Bimmerworld sell coated bearings, the latter being the best "out of the box" option without a doubt. However, the best way to go is WPC treatment, whichI rrecommendllooking up. It is used in all my engine builds, and I have never oncehad a treated part fail.

- VANOS problems are n't limited to the S54, as Overk1ll can surely tell youas wwell. However, it is a one-time fix. A company called Beisan Systems makes the VANOS components, but after an immense amount of research, engineering, and testin, has ffound exactly why the stock system fails, and corrected every known issue.
I have Beisan seals (and the other parts, as applicable) in every car in my signaturethat has VANOS, and have put them in over 2 dozen others (formerly owned vehicles, and friends cars). I have never had a single issue since.

- Oil Pump Nut vibrates loose due to harmonics. If you don't have pulleys and a lightweight flywheel, you simply should inspect it once in a while. However, something like VAC solution for the issue is a permanent upgrade and fix, and if you cangget one of the ATI Harmonic Dampeners fortthe car, it's worth doing.


Everything else, as with all BMW's, comes down to being willing to adhere to a strict maintenance schedule, and having a mindset of "preventative maintenance!".
I always, always recommend that when you do replace a maintenance part, do so with a known premium quality aftermarket bit. The cost is usually the same or less, but you are getting something that is not going to need to be replaced again, and likely offers a number of other advantages. For example, when youdo the ccooling system, instead of stock parts, go wit: CR radia tor from BW, Stewart pump, Samco Sport hoses, Aluminum T-stat housing, either an underdrive pulley kit (RE/TMS) or the ECS Alu WP pulley, etc. Youspe nd a similar amount but eliminate the cooling system as a worry system.

Following that method has been one of therreasons why I am able to modify my cars so extensively without having to live in them lol. It's saved me tens of thousands, and countless more money from the reduced replacement parts as maintenance.


If you like power to go with your perfectly balanced chassis and telepathic handling, the S54 is actually incredibly responsive to "relatively minor" mods when it comes to extracting more power.
My old Z4M wasn't as heavily modified as my E46 M3 (no internal/head work), but it did have:
- Supersprint V1 Stepped Headers (the ultimate)
- El Diablo Titanium exhaust
- VAC Carbon Fiber CSL Induction Setup
- TMS Pulleys
- ATI Dampener
- 11lb flywheel w Clutchmasters Stg3 clutch
- External oil cooler
- Beisan VANOS overhaul
- Stewart pump + Fluidyne rad + Samco hoses + Alu expansion tank
- Catch can
- VAC oil pump upgrade
- 3.91:1 OS Giken 28-clutch limited slip differential w Finned Cover
- AKG 75D Motor/Transmission/Differential mounts
- StopTech Trophy BBK w 6-piston 365mm 2pc slotted front setup and 4-piston 348mm 2pc slotted rear setup, bare aluminumfinish calipers, and SS Lines
- JRZ remote-reservoir 3-way coil overs w custom spring rates
- Hotchkis adjustable sways
- F/R solid 3-point/5-point strut tower braces
- Adj Rear Camber Arms + Extended/Offset front control arms (more caster)
- ALL bushings upgraded to AKG/RE/TMS High-durometer delrin or semi-solid, w TMS RTAB limiters, and reinforced diff carrier
- Kinesis 3pc forged 19x9.5" and 19x10.5" Street wheels (gunmetal face, polished lip)
- Apex ARC-8 ultra light 18x10" and 18x10.5" track wheels (17-18lb; flat black)
- OZ Racing Series featherweight wheels in 18x9 and 18x10 for track use (15.2lb front, 15.9lb rear) that I sold to get the Volks (matte gunmetal)
- Volk TE37SL 19x10 and 19x11 for max tire although I did have to roll the fenders to get 100 percent clearance running 255/35 and 285/30 Pilot Super Sports without having to run more Camber than is ideal (semi-matte white with dark silver writing, the latter to match the ST calipers)

I think that's the majority of the engine and drivetrain work, and the engine was dyno tuned for completely "bespoke" tune maps (93oct, 100oct, and a valet tune).
Here's some dyno numbers...
STOCK Engine, Suspension as listed: 274rwhp and 221rwtq
Same but w Beisan VANOS, AKG mounts: 279rwhp and 226rwtq
ALL the performance parts w CONFORTI "canned" tune: 329rwhp and 244rwtq
ALL parts with Custom dyno tune: 354rwhp and 266rwtq
ALL of above plus race wheels & ST BBK (-61lb unsprung rotating weight): 357rwhp and 267rwtq (the dyno recorded a 22.8 percent lower time to go to redline, in a "simulated drag race" run)

The gains in torque under the curve are insane, as much as 49lb-ft, and the curve itself is so flat compared to stock that you wouldn't think that the dyno's were from the same car.

Coupled with weight removal, such as Pole Position seats (CF/Kevlar), dry carbon fiber body panels (hood, trunk, rear diffuser, side skirts, mirrors, front bumper, front splitter, front fenders) and some internal bits (center console, trim), Ultra Light Lithium battery (5.5lbs), removal of spare/trunk carpeting+insulation/toolkit/etc, and other bits and pieces, I removed a total of 221lbs of sprung weight and, while it was expensive to do so, maintained an exact 50:50 f-r weight distribution, and side to side with a half tank and me in the drivers seat is 50-50 as well.
Weighing every replaced suspension component and their replacements, as well as the power adders, showed that I lost another 18lbs from the engine parts, but much more importantly, 39lbs from the Clutch/FW, 32.8lbs from the suspension components, 14lbs from the brakes (keep in mind that the calipers went from tiny little sliding to massive 6/4 piston monoblock fixed, the discs/rotors from 33x to 365/348 and around 45pct/50pct thicker w 2.5x as many vanes, and the pads are not only massively larger they're also a LOT thicker), 29lbs from the Volk TE37SL/58lb from the Apex ARC-8, and 7lb from the 19" PSS/13lb from the 18" PS Cups (vs stock).

The amount of unsprung (suspension components, brakes, wheels, tires) lost transformed the car from immensely capable sport car to "An Exige S 240? Meh, too uninvolving" lol. Every single one of the cars limits was dramatically increased.
The weight lost from rotating/driven components, it profoundly increased the "rev-happy" nature of the engine, and combined with the billion percent improvement from the AKG mounts (almost no NVH increase, BTW), and I actually had to relearn to drive the car because of how much "lighter" the engine felt. I even ordered and installed the UUC EVO3 SSK and DSSR, with a ZHP 6MT shift knob, because the factory shifter became the bottleneck for fast shifts.
Also, they reduce the amount of parasitic losses in the engine and drivetrain, meaning that you are able to actually use more of the power that'saalready there.

Dropping 400lbs withoutsstripping the car is not easy or cheap, but as most wasn't done until after the power mods, and the unsprung weight from the wheels is as simple as swapping the stock back on (dramatically reducing theeeffects), I have some numbers that I acquired from two different "events" at a repurchased and repurposed airstrip (full length, and repaved to track smooth). For a comparison, my friend's 997 Turbo w an insane amount of money in it, including 2-sizes-up bigger turbos, 4.0L engine bore&stroke, 480 percent larger total IC space, 4.5" completely insulated inlet
 
insulated inlet piping, etc etc (GT770+) is making 668awhp and 623awtq, and it will hit 177mph before touching the pedal controlling those beautiful PCCB binders; and that's without pushing hard enough that you utilize the extra 800ft "run-off". On a less extreme side of things, my 328Ci (422rwhp/398rwtq, fully built 2.8L I6 w 10.5CR with custom Lysholm 1.6L twin-screw blower @ 16.5psi on 93oct, and weighing in at 2896lbs without driver/1-8th tank/etc (down from 3484lb) and CoG lowered to below that of an M3 CSL, 6MT swapped in, 3.15:1 OS Giken LSD, 4-wheel Performance Friction BBK w 6/4p monoblock calipers, 368x34/355x30 2pc slotted rotors; M3 subframe and axles, custom fender work (cut/pull/weld) for a lot more tire room, 19x9.5" and 19x11" Volk TE37's w 255f 275r PSS, etc) will hit 162mph thanks to the twin-screw (90%+ peak torque from 1800-6900rpm) and weight loss as well as aero and an ideally sized diff.

Anyway, here's the performance numbers, as given using a pair of GPS "speed boxes" and averaging the two (although GPS data acquisition is insanely accurate, and except for one run, they were never more than 5/100's of a number different from the other)
The Z4M, with the 3.73:1 LSD and stock transmission gears, and all of the upgrades, tuned, and with a bit more that isn't listed and setup with the coilovers dropping the car 2.4" front/1.9" rear (with front splitter, that's 1.85" ground clearance!) and quite stiff rebound, low-speed compression, and high-speed compression damping, Apex ARC-8's in 18x9.5" and 18x10.5" with PS Cups 255f 265r, and fresh fluids including Redline 5W40 Euro in the motor (only time I didn't run TWS60), RL D4ATF and MTL in a 1:1 ratio, OS Giken 75w250 "custom" LSD fluid, Castrol SRF in the brakes, and an 80:20 water/BMW Coolant mix with 2 bottles Water Wetter.

TIME TO SPEED
0-60mph in 4.208sec
0-100mph in 9.922sec
30-90mph in 6.790sec

DISTANCE TO SPEED
60-0mph in 102ft 3in

TIME/SPEED TO DISTANCE
1/4mile in 12.862sec @ 114.35mph (friend driving, I suck @ quarter mile)

LATERAL ACCELERATION
1.19 G's on 100ft skidpad
1.24 G's on 200ft skidpad
1.31 G's on 300ft skidpad

TOP SPEED REACHED
154.32mph


A professional driver would be able to do better, probably hit 4.0sec even 0-60, and so on. It's not got the gut-punching torque of my 328, but it was able to hold gears just as long and with a much more favorable combination of gears (my 328Ci was re-geared around being FI'd, specifically a lysholm, whereas the Z4M Coupe is geared as a high-strung NA screamer) dropping it much higher into the rev range between redline shifts, it's definitely a superior setup for high speed runs and had we started from a roll @ 70-80mph, my 328 would pull hard on my old Z4M, putting quite a few car lengths by 120mph, after which the Z4M gained 1.5lengths by 130mph (328 shifting to 5th @ 125) and then catches up by 150mph and both remain +/- 1/4 of a car length until 170mph.
That's with quite a bit less power, a lot less torque, but also a much more favourable aero profile, less weight, and better gearing.




Around a track, the only car that is more fun than an E46 M3 (excluding the E30 M3) in the "normal person" budget, is the Z4M Coupe.


Porsche's Cayman S are very fun, but it's slower, SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive to work on/repair, and requires a MUCH larger investment just to get it on the track at the same level as the Z4M Coupe (no LSD for the Cayman!).

Also, if you have no experience or little experience with driving a mid-engined car at speed (track), it's a bad idea. I have seen a good number of people think that the ease with which a Cayman/Boxster will rotate around turns means that they've suddenly, overnight become track gods, and not realize that the cars have a very sudden and abrupt break-away, from which it is quite difficult even for an experienced driver to collect themselves if not expecting it (especially running the junk tires that most of these people seem to ALWAYS use...which I've asked about, and they've replied "I always use xxxx tire on the track, it's cheap and looking at the tread you can tell it's got a lot of grip; plus, why would I spend $200+ for track tires that'll be dead in a few events? I put PS2's/PSS/P-Zero Corsa's on the DD wheels, because I want them to last!".....).

What I did, to learn to drive mid-engined cars, was to buy a 1st generation Toyota MR2. They have no power, look like the epitome of "1980's vehicle design", and are loud as heck, but my goodness they're one of the most FUN TO DRIVE cars ever!
Plus, the limits are SO LOW comparatively that you can practice in a parking lot.
I wish I'd never sold that car; what a blast.
 
I no longer have the Z4M!

That's why I've been searching for a perfect one, but it would also mean getting rid of one of my other cars
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