Thinking about finding another job

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: crinkles
my problem is our long term goals and my current job are conflicting, so it's going to be party time soemtime in the next few months, esp since they think they can reward good performance with no effective pay rises.


That's the problem in a lot of companies nowadays. They tends to outsource as much as possible rather than thinking about the growth perspective of future businesses.

I was surprised when some people I know tell me the jobs they interview do not care about the technical aspect of your skill, but rather how are you going to save the company money.

 

[JustinH]

The company you are interviewing for sounds like Intel... Just a guess however..

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: JustinH
The company you are interviewing for sounds like Intel... Just a guess however..


drool...........

 

[greenaccord02]

If they have that kind of security their employees must be well paid to make their secrets worth keeping... Good luck!

 

[PandaBear]

It is not Intel, but I can say it is a customer of Intel and is one of the smart phone company in Silicon Valley. Just came back from a 2nd interview with the director and VP of the group. They seems to be asking a lot of technical question even at that level and I think I did well with the director, but the VP seems to be desperate about some trade secret or borderline trade secret from my current work place (not giving it to them for legal reason, but tell them what approaches have what problems for them to think about).

I have the impression that she realize that she has conflicting skill sets in her mind for the potential candidates, like the team I interviewed with last year. Seems like they are hiring people to fight fire that they have at the moment.

The team I interview with seems to be very new, basically this smart phone company hired a bunch from its rival smart phone company, very common in this company's practice.

 

[PandaBear]

Got a verbal offer as they are working on a formal offer. Seems like they are doing this to prevent people from getting a copy of it unless you sign it.

This company's name I cannot mentioned. Like I said in the past it is a smart phone company and is a customer of Intel, I can add a detail that said it is a "fruit" company. They offer $115k base salary with $15k sign on bonus (usually you have to work for 2 years to get it, otherwise you need to pay it back). Stock grant at today's closing price worth about $50k vesting over 4 years.

Currently my job is paying $90k base with 10k bonus if the company makes money (didn't get it last year), they are trying to make you think that they are giving a raise but not talk about it in the all employee meeting, and like I said in the past, the mid to upper level management is not very good at making people feel good nor have the experience in leading projects. I have a feeling that even if they can match the offer of the company above, they will retaliate by not giving good reviews or raises in the future.

Wife doesn't know much about the industry, and since I have a tendency of buyer remorse, she doesn't have an opinion either way. Parents are old fashioned and were afraid that I would be laid off after a project is done. Friends all tell me to go for it if the price is right, and even the few close co-workers at my current work place tell me to go for it and bring them aboard.




Should I tell my current employer to match it? If they do should I still switch? I do want to leave on a good term and maybe give a 3 week notice, so I can finish the work and pass it on to good hand (so your flash drive won't crash in the future and blame me for it).

Decision decision. Although this is my 4th job, I've never switch when things were well, only when the job is about to sink or company went out of business.

 

[greenaccord02]

Sounds like RIM or Apple.

If you think the environment is better at this company, I wouldn't give your current employer the chance to match. If they really want to, they'll offer a counter on their own. The three week notice sounds good. They certainly can't complain.

 

[crinkles]

congrats, thats money i can only dream of!!

 

[CivicFan]

Sounds like a no-brainer. Congratulations on the new job.

BTW, one needs to change jobs every 2 years or so. It doesn't look good on resume if you show long periods of time on one job. Makes you look like someone who is either not ambitious or someone who has reached the his/her level of incompetence.

Job changes sooner than 1 year don't look good either.

 

[crinkles]

Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Sounds like a no-brainer. Congratulations on the new job.

BTW, one needs to change jobs every 2 years or so. It doesn't look good on resume if you show long periods of time on one job. Makes you look like someone who is either not ambitious or someone who has reached the his/her level of incompetence.

Job changes sooner than 1 year don't look good either.


wrong. yes job hopping could look bad. but it depends on the industry you're in. FWIW my industry is so small everyone knows each other and call around about people all the time.

 

[tom slick]

Does this fruit company have a campus in Cuppertino?

Congratulations on the offer, I've heard it's a good place to work.

 

[PandaBear]

CivicFan,

No, every couple of years is job hopping. I've heard you need at least some 4+ years unless you have a major reason not to (relocation, layoff, or some significant change).


Tom Slick,

Yes, it is in Cupertino.

 

[CivicFan]

I don't know... When I look at resumes, I expect to see around 2 years on each job, and an ascending trend in responsibilities. Stagnation is not the best selling aspect although I ask the candidates about it.

 

[bretfraz]

There is no point in expecting a counteroffer if you have no intention of staying put. Sounds like it's time to leave, this other company is paying well, stock options can be a good thing right now. See if there is any room to negotiate something; no pay back clause on signing bonus, extra vacation time, free Porsche, something.

If you leave SD on a good note, there is always a chance you could go back in a few years time. Don't burn any bridges, you will need those people to say good things about you on LinkedIn. Don't be surprised if you tender your resignation and SD decides to cut you loose ASAP. As long as you get paid for everything, leave early. Yeah, it's nice to want to close out a few projects but unless they are desperate, they'll prolly want you to leave sooner rather than later.

Congrats, I'm always happy to hear when people make a lot more money at a new job.

 

[greenaccord02]

Do you know if your work might involve controllers for that new 'phase-change' memory that Intel is working on?

 

[OVERKILL]

Sounds like my RIM guess might have been close......

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Do you know if your work might involve controllers for that new 'phase-change' memory that Intel is working on?


1)I don't know
2)If I do, I can't tell you
3)As far as I know they are not yet ready for prime time (for big volume applications), like the 4 bit per cell NAND.