The Whackos At It Again (PETA)

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oh, so hungry for one of those cheeseburgers with egg and bacon.

can't get them around here (without making it myself).

there was a bar in indy a couple miles from where i used to live. pitcher of guinness and a huge, greasy burger with eggs and bacon on it.

if you're going to keep talking about food, i'm going to have to fire up the grill.

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Don't let it get out that the plants suffer pain and anguish when the crops are harvasted and eaten. If too many people learn about that there will be people starving to death.

As for me, I am sorry that I have to eat meat, fish, chicken and turkey meat, vegetables, fruit, etc. I am sorry for the pain of the plants, the cattle, etc. But I have to eat-and I am going to go on eating.
 
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Maybe that's why they call it fishing - because it's only a good idea with fish.

I just fell out of my freakin' chair that was funny
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But I have to eat-and I am going to go on eating.

Mystic, it's too bad your ability to identify the simple truth of the situation is not a universal trait!
 
Im all for joining the fish have feelings too movement and I think that Im going to go watch finding Nemo and join the sit in with the sharks anonymous group that claims fish are our friends.

Seriously, all fish are predators and fish eat other fish. When Peta can convince other fish to quit eating other fish then I will join their movement.

Eating fish is healthy and I try to eat healthy. In fact, I probably dont eat enough protein and the fish I eat is a big portion of the protein that I get.

I have an aquarium also and the fish know me and my little Parrot cichlids wiggle whenever I come around.

They arent really that nice though and they fight and run into each other and try to kick each other out of the aquarium.

I can think of a few Peta members who Id like to see cut themselves and drop off into the ocean so they could attract a crowd of sharks and educate them as to why humans have feelings and shouldnt be eaten.

When Peta convinces all the shark fish to quit eating people then I will return the favor and explore tofu. People eat fish but then again fish eat people. Predators eat prey and fish are predators. They dont play nice. And thats how nature works.

Happy Motoring All,

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Bugshu
 
I like both vegetables and animals and think that lubes derived from both are wonderful, just like foods.

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I have an aquarium also and the fish know me and my little Parrot cichlids wiggle whenever I come around. and I had some clown loaches that did act very similar too dogs in the way they interacted with me. No, they didn't play ball, but they did like me better than other members of the household.

I had a nice pet Oscar (cichlid) that was quite playful. I would place my hand in the tank and he/she would swim into my partially cupped hand in a semi-rapid brushing motion that was repeated for a few minutes. There was also the almost dog like response to seeing me arrive ...an excitment. The schoaling fish didn't respond quite the same ..but if I sat on the floor in front of my semi-hostile tank ...they would all sort of collect and kinda look at me. I wondered if I was the specimen being observed.

Pets are pets ...they can be friendly and lovable ...but food is food.

So many cats ...so few recipes
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Terry can you imagine if we gave Peta free reign. It would go beyond what we eat. Leather would be out. Any oil based on animal blubber would be out. Glue would change. You would close down most of the circuses and all of the zoos. Zoo based research and conservations would go away and species like the California Condor would go extinct. Speed limits on highways would get cut in half to reduce roadkill. We would have to all move to adobe houses so we wouldnt chop down trees and offend any owls. We would all need to be riding bicycles whenever possible so we wouldnt produce any oil in wildlife areas or oceans. Oil tankers would be banned as they sometimes spill oil and kill wildlife.

Im for animals but we dont live on this planet to serve animals. In fact, Im a nature photographer and Bugshu =s Shutterbug. Ive exhibited wildlife photography in more museums than most Peta members have ever set foot in. Ive been to major wildlife preserves and habitats across the country. Ive got a feel for the status of nature in todays society.

I really dont think that most Peta members have a clue about the nature of wildlife and what is actually going on in the world.

If they want to join in on conservation efforts to protect whooping cranes then Im all for the help. If they want to join me in protecting the Texas Horned Frog then lets start boycotting ant poison. Ant poison is more dangerous to ant predators than it is to the ants and you get more ants when you try to poison them. Its stupid to kill horny toads when you are trying to get rid of ants. However, Peta isnt for commons sense solutions to wildlife problems. They are a reactionary organization composed mostly of city folk who dont know much about wildlife. If they want to convince people not to eat fish then they are just being stupid.

Happy Motoring Terry,

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Bugshu
 
Fish being small brained animals that eat smaller members of their own species, are reacting to a big shadow or darkening of the water in hopeful anticpation of being fed.
 
IMO, Cichlids do seem more aware of their surroundings with a bit of memory. Other species often seem blank.

I like Cichlids and especially those of the South American persuasion. Oscars are very smart. My friend has some and it seems that they seek attention at times. I dont like 100 gallon tanks so Oscars and Pacus are not for me.

That said, Oscars and Pacus are smart and might even have feelings but they are quite carnivorous and will eat a goldfish in a hurry if you let them.

Peta can preach about not eating fish to an Oscar forever and still if you drop a goldfish in an Oscars tank he will horrify the Peta member and chomp it down in a millisecond.

In a fair fight the Oscar will usually win.

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Has anyone ever asked a Peta member what should be done with dogs and cats? If you dont feed them then its cruel ......... however if you do feed them then other animals have to die to feed the pets. Cats wont eat lettuce and dogs dont like cabbage. I guess in an ideal Peta world we wouldnt have pets.

Happy Motoring All,

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Bugshu
 
I visited an aquarium once. A lady talked about needing to keep all the fish in the same tank about the same size. Fish see other fish as 3 different types. Smaller ones are your lunch. You are the bigger ones lunch. Ones the same size as you, eat your lunch.
 
Bugshu, I'm with ya Bro.,what you said. What a great job !


I did not know that the chems used on those fire ants are killing the horned Frogs. I can't say that I have ever seen a horned frog here in NE Texas. Maybe thats why ?


Terry
 
Yup the general rule of thumb with aquariums is that if a bigger fish can get its mouth around a smaller fish that eventually it will.

If we as humans eat fish then we are saving the lives of smaller fish.

The most common fish that most people eat and encounter is tuna. Bluefin tuna can weigh well over 1000 pounds per fish and they school. Yellowfin tuna, Albacore tuna, and blackfin tuna are very large fish. A tuna fishing boat can catch a lot of fish in a hurry if they haul in a school of these fish.

It takes a lot of prey to support even a single tuna in the wild for a year. Harvesting a tuna probably saves the lives of millions of smaller fish. Tuna are usually referred to by scientists as the tigers of the fish world and they consume millions of smaller fish. Tuna have voracious appetites and they migrate across oceans to search out food sources to accomodate their hunger. They travel swiftly and can cover broad expanses in the search for foodsources to accomodate their size and nutritional needs.

Tuna dont reproduce slowly. A single breeding tuna can release millions of eggs several times per year. The tuna population is more limited towards the amount of prey in the ocean available to eat rather than the number of breeding individuals available to reproduce.

Whereas a cow will usually produce a single calf if a rancher is lucky a school of tuna can repopulate virtually the entire ocean in a breeding season.

To help matters the Japanese raise tuna until breeding age and then release them into the ocean to populate the oceans.

While environmentalists proclaim tuna an endangered species that is being threatened by overfishing it can be found on almost every grocery shelf in every town in the country for under $1 per 6 ounce can.

In 1990, Senators John Kerry and George Mitchell sponsored and helped pass legislation which required the United States and its fishermen to abide by the quotas set by the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas or ICCAT. This resulted in US fishermen having to abide by laws set by International Policy makers rather than the United States and its elected officials. Quotas for the United States have been established and enforced and the "imaginary" problems of overharvesting bluefin tuna and other related species have already been addressed by heavy handed conservationists that care more about fish rights than the economic viability of the fishing industry. The US congress has its hands tied in the ability to regulate the tuna industry until our participation in ICCAT expires. If ICCAT established a quota of zero tuna fishing for a year then tuna helper sales would take a hit and there isnt anything the US congress could do about it.

Despite Peta's claims, you will save the lives of more fish by eating tuna than you will by choosing another meal.

Indeed most fish consumed by humans exists as a larger variety of fish which has consumed thousands if not millions of pounds of fish before it reaches our tables. The second most frequently consumed species of fish behind Tuna is probably Cod and they can reach up to 75 pounds and are a very large commercial fish. When you cook that 20 pound turkey this thanksgiving and groan at leftovers for a week imagine how much protein a fish 3 times the size of the turkey can and does produce.

Except for Salmon, most fish served as a foodsource for humans would continue to consume large amounts of other marine resources if not caught and harvested.

The argument of being nice to fish is a moot point since almost all fish exist as both predator and prey. Outside of killer whales which are Apex predators all fish pretty much exist as predator and prey. To catch and consume a larger fish pretty much saves the lives of smaller fish. Salmon caught before they spawn and die are the exception.

The argument of protecting fish from overharvesting and extinction is counterbalanced by the sheer numbers of eggs that fish can spawn and the rapidity of reproduction of these species.

Marine pollution is a far greater threat to the species of fish in the ocean than is commercial fishing.

Peta is a ridiculous organization.

Happy Motoring All,

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Bugshu
 
Terry there are 13 species of horned lizards in the world and 3 exist in Texas. It is our Texas state reptile and a favorite animal of many. The are one of the oldest known surviving species of lizards in the world having existed from the days of the dinosaurs.

They are very gentle and docile and use camoflauge as their preferred method for avoiding predators but they also can spit up to 1/3 of the blood in their body with great accuracy and puff up their body to make it harder to be consumed by serpents.

In other words horned lizards have existed for thousands if not tens of thousands of years and have become a threatened species in the last 50 years.

The Texas state reptile has a diet that primarily consists of harvester ants and these ants probably make up 95% of their diet though there have been reported sitings of the little guys eating beetles and grashoppers.

The Texas Horned Lizard is probably the primary predator of ants and the species most responsible for keeping the ant population from dominating Texas. However, ant poisons devastate the little guys. Ants are very hardy and tough and can withstand indignities that would kill most other species. An ant can swallow a little poison and keep on going though it will get sick and eventually die. The Horned Lizard that eats several thousand ants will be killed by the poison in the ants it consumes.

Studies are being done with fire ants but nobody yet has established a link between Horny toads and fire ants. Horned Lizards dont seem to like eating fire ants or at least a connection has yet to be established.

Fire ants are an imported species and very tough. There arent battles or wars comparable on any level of human historical existance to compare to the types of wars that ant colonies go through to establish territory. Usually but not always Red Fire ants will overcome black harvester ants and this has had a negative impact on Horny Toad populations as their primary food source gets conquered and pushed out.

However, even areas where Red Ants have not invaded have seen a marked decline in Horned Lizard populations.

The Horny toad while once a common critter seems doomed to struggle if not fight outright eradication. Scientists cant seem to keep them alive in captivity and their future viability of avoiding extinction is of concern.

Happy Motoring Terry,

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Bugshu
 
The Horned Lizard that eats several thousand ants will be killed by the poison in the ants it consumes.

I use "Malto Meal" to kill ants, just sprinkle the dry product, about a half of cup, on the hill and wait for a few days and the ants are gone. Try it you'll like it.
 
Whoa, thats a anthill full of info, thanks bugshu !

You are both smart and balanced, tree hugging and tree cutting at the appropriate times I suspect !

Happy Oil Analysis to you too Sir!
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Terry
 
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Originally posted by Bob Woods:
I use "Malto Meal" to kill ants, just sprinkle the dry product, about a half of cup, on the hill and wait for a few days and the ants are gone. Try it you'll like it.

Bob,
since we now have children, when I've got to clean up some ants, I grind together some bakers yeast, and sugar, then mix in some honey to make a thick paste.

Won't hurt the kid.

And the yeast won't ferment the sugars until it's diluted (like in an ant's gut).

Apparently ants can't burp.
 
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And the yeast won't ferment the sugars until it's diluted (like in an ant's gut).

Apparently ants can't burp.


Hmmm, exploding ants. Sounds kinda neat. A little cruel, but neat.
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bugshu has some good points, but commercial fishing can be very harmful if overdone. One need only look to the codfishing industry and what it did to the North Atlantic fishing grounds off Nova Scotia. With time the population has and will rebound, but in them meantime many people were hurt econmically.
Marine pollution is a great threat.
The reason so many eggs are laid is that so many young do not survive.

Anyway, maybe this guy is a member of PETA?

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Over fishing is a big problem. Harvest anything faster that it grows, and eventually you deplete it. I saw a proposal once say that there ar parts of the ocean that are dead for lack of iron. Dumps some old cars there, and a rich fishery would develop. You know how the ecofreaks would take that.
 
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