The Speed Of Light ??

I think we all accept that Brian Cox knows what he's talking about even if we can't always wrap out brains around it. The very reason that he's famous is that he's good at explaining extraordinary things about how physics and relativity work. I just read today about another Einstein theory being proven with data. https://www.thebrighterside.news/po...-predicted-by-einsteins-theory-of-relativity/

There is also a recent news article challenging Einstein. https://scitechdaily.com/are-we-wrong-about-black-holes-a-radical-theory-challenges-einstein/

For a theory that was published 100+ years ago, this is pretty cool.
Brian Cox has a great style, is smart and knowledgeable an excellent to listen to.

Einstein was one of the best minds ever, his contribution’s immeasurable.
 
For those of you with electrical knowledge. How about the speed of electricity through a high tension line? I'm talking about the big, high voltage, high tension power lines that stretch for miles across the country. That are carrying hundreds of thousands of volts.

I've heard both. It is at the speed of light, or else very close to it. And also that it is much slower. The same with it traveling either over, or through the line itself.
 
In a vacuum, like outer space, light travels at its maximum speed, approximately 299,792,458 meters per second (186,282 miles per second). In our atmosphere, light is slightly slower, around 1.0003 times slower than in a vacuum. This means the speed of light in air is roughly 299,702,547 meters per second.

My understanding is, when we refer to the "speed of light" we are referring to the speed of light in a vacuum. Others can chime in.

My understanding as well.

Well yall are clearly more learned than me......but I interpret constant, as constant, unchanging, relentless.

A little itty bitty bit different, is a difference. And, the faster and farther you go, the larger the error. If it is slower in some cases, i may also be reasonable to assume it might be even slower in other cases, or maybe even faster.

So I wonder if this has to do with the measurement technique, or reality?
 
For those of you with electrical knowledge. How about the speed of electricity through a high tension line? I'm talking about the big, high voltage, high tension power lines that stretch for miles across the country. That are carrying hundreds of thousands of volts.

I've heard both. It is at the speed of light, or else very close to it. And also that it is much slower. The same with it traveling either over, or through the line itself.
Not that fast. But comparing to photons in a vacuum is not really proper.

Read this: https://electronics.stackexchange.c...trons-actually-flow-when-a-voltage-is-applied
 
Not that fast. But comparing to photons in a vacuum is not really proper.

Read this: https://electronics.stackexchange.c...trons-actually-flow-when-a-voltage-is-applied
But that's what people do. Most everything that moves exceptionally fast, is compared to, "the speed of light". And because there is nothing faster, (at least nothing that we currently know of), it becomes a sort of standard that other things are compared to. Lightning moving from the clouds to the ground, current through or over a wire, etc.
 
But that's what people do. Most everything that moves exceptionally fast, is compared to, "the speed of light". And because there is nothing faster, (at least nothing that we currently know of), it becomes a sort of standard that other things are compared to. Lightning moving from the clouds to the ground, current through or over a wire, etc.
Sure for speed comparison

But not modeling in the human brain
 
Well yall are clearly more learned than me......but I interpret constant, as constant, unchanging, relentless.

A little itty bitty bit different, is a difference. And, the faster and farther you go, the larger the error. If it is slower in some cases, i may also be reasonable to assume it might be even slower in other cases, or maybe even faster.

So I wonder if this has to do with the measurement technique, or reality?
Well, that little itty, bitty, bit only applies when it’s going through something like water, or, in this case, coke, so, it’s irrelevant in the big scheme of things.

The speed is a constant in a vacuum - which means all of interplanetary space, interstellar space, and across the universe.

Your objection is largely irrelevant, because the applicability is for terrestrial observation, through translucent media, and where light speed matters, in the universe writ large, it is, in fact, constant.

I would recommend picking up a couple of good books on the topic - one of my favorites is the now Classic Stephen Hawking “A Brief History of Time.” Professor Hawking explains Relativity and Quantum Mechanics in a clear, accessible manner.
 
wait wait wait.

light speed is constant.....right? is it not our observation of the light through the bottle , what is different?
Any object transparent to light has an index of refraction "n." The velocity of light passing through any object with an index of refraction n is v = c/n. Here, c is the velocity of light in a vacuum.

A further explanation is given below.

https://gurumuda.net/physics/speed-of-light-in-different-mediums.htm

https://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/speedoflight/index.html
 
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For those of you with electrical knowledge. How about the speed of electricity through a high tension line? I'm talking about the big, high voltage, high tension power lines that stretch for miles across the country. That are carrying hundreds of thousands of volts.
"The drift velocity [of a current charge, an electron] in a 2 mm diameter copper wire in 1 ampere current is approximately 8 cm per hour. "

http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html
 
"The drift velocity [of a current charge, an electron] in a 2 mm diameter copper wire in 1 ampere current is approximately 8 cm per hour. "

http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html
So they don't really "move".... They more or less bump into one another? A bit like a loose length of rope, and you give one end a hard shake. The "wave" of rope travels down its length very quickly, but the rope itself doesn't go anywhere? A bit like that?
 
If I remember, radio waves move at, or very close to the speed of light. During the Apollo Moon missions, the time it took for the radio waves, (voice transmissions), had about a 1-1/2 second lag, from when they were transmitted, to when we received them.

The Moon is 240,000 miles from Earth. So at 186,000 miles per second, that proves out.
 
I don't know if this guy is right or wrong about this. But how can the speed of light work going away, but not coming back, when both speeds and distances are equal?


This is true because your experience is dependent on your reference frame. Different frames of reference have different experiences. For anything with no rest mass (light does have relativistic mass do to its energy and momentum), you MUST necessarily travel at the speed of light in vacuum regardless of the motion of the source of light.
 
If I remember, radio waves move at, or very close to the speed of light. During the Apollo Moon missions, the time it took for the radio waves, (voice transmissions), had about a 1-1/2 second lag, from when they were transmitted, to when we received them.

The Moon is 240,000 miles from Earth. So at 186,000 miles per second, that proves out.
The only difference between radio waves and photons of light is their wavelength - they are along with gamma rays, x-rays, infrared, etc all the same thing, part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
 
Any object transparent to light has an index of refraction "n." The velocity of light passing through any object with an index of refraction n is v = c/n. Here, c is the velocity of light in a vacuum.

A further explanation is given below.

https://gurumuda.net/physics/speed-of-light-in-different-mediums.htm

https://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/speedoflight/index.html
So the difference, has to do with refraction correct? If i am understanding this correctly.
 
If I remember, radio waves move at, or very close to the speed of light. During the Apollo Moon missions, the time it took for the radio waves, (voice transmissions), had about a 1-1/2 second lag, from when they were transmitted, to when we received them.

The Moon is 240,000 miles from Earth. So at 186,000 miles per second, that proves out.
Radio waves are light.

Just a different part of the spectrum than the light you see with your eyes, so, not “very close” but, exactly the speed of light between Earth and Moon.
 
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They are both expressions of electromagnetic energy. Exhibit properties of waves and particles and we are back to 1 OP in this thread.
 
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