The oil didnt matter....cold start rattle back again on Ecoboost engine!

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by Navi
Let me be clear. In every thread on the internet about cold start rattle there is always someone asking about the anti drainback valve on the filter. I do NOT use Fram filters. Just about every oil filter out there now has a anti drainback filter. Its not the filter.


The new, reformulated Fram EG oil filters have a different ADBV. It's called silicone and helps protect from cold start clatter, better than the old, nitrile version. This is not about having an anti-drainback valve. It's about having the proper anti-drainback valve.

Maybe you should re-invest in Fram and even move up to the TG-Toughguard. I'm not saying oil filter selections are your problem thou. The timing chain mention sure makes sense and you may encountering Round 2 of this problem. What was fixed prior may have returned. If it has, then consider selling the vehicle, before it drives you insane.

Signed
a non Fram user.

 

[4WD]

Originally Posted by sopususer
Originally Posted by Rat407

My 2002 Silverado had the cold start knock, (that is what it was called back then) since new and at 194k miles it is just as loud and not issues at all. To me the engine design isn't the best but it doesn't effect the integrity of the engine one bit.

The rattle is there because of timing chain stretch. Oil viscosity isn't going to help. Ford will probably need to replace the chains, tensioners and phasers on that engine.

And there is the difference. The GM LS engines of the early 2000's had a short skirt piston that was prone to noise, slap, etc but didn't seem to cause any long term issues. Since FOMOCO builds almost all their engines with miles of chains and guides for their OHC design the Ford design is a problem that will most likely cause issues if left alone. Noise yes, but root causes are apples and oranges.


Agree … my 3.5L ecoboost was what prompted me to start testing oils on a dB meter and 40's made less noise.
But no doubt my 5.3L's are quieter on 20's than those on 40's.
What's different? the valve system and turbos

 

[4WD]

How many trucks have you owned …?

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
...The new, reformulated Fram EG oil filters have a different ADBV. It's called silicone and helps protect from cold start clatter, better than the old, nitrile version. This is not about having an anti-drainback valve. It's about having the proper anti-drainback valve....
Signed
a non Fram user.
Thank you for that Triple, much appreciated. To be clear my post never suggested or made any reference to Fram filters or filters having no adbv. It was about filters with silicone adbvs and their superiority to nitrile, more so in some vehicle sensitive applications. And prefaced by saying, advice based strictly on video provided, nothing more. When clear it wasn't appreciated, made an appropriate move.

That clarified. Carry on.

 

[CT8]

Oil drains to the lowest point in an engine when not running. The single anti drain back vlves keep the filter from back washing through the oil pump.

 

[PowerSurge]

Originally Posted by 4WD
How many trucks have you owned …?


6

 

[4WD]

That's a tiny number in my inner circle alone. If you think there has been a chronic problem with oil consumption … bring a real database
I don't doubt Toyota quality … but as you bashed while giving lectures on bashing and hate … there are certainly some Japanese engines known to consume oil … surely hear about them on this site …
When you type "laugh at" … guess you are looking down on us common folk. We'll be OK.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Sayjac
My post wasn't intended your way / in your direction.
I sympathize with Navi. There's nothing worse than witnessing a household vehicle go south in dependability and encounter repeated battles with parts that were already once fixed.
I hope he finds an inexpensive remedy / solution. My former 99' S-10 with 4.3 did similar. Had no problems for 125k...... then one problem after another for the next 100K. I donated it to a dire-straits neighbor after that. Used a free donation policy on my last two, old vehicles, instead of driving them to junkyards. Both donated vehicles lasted 18 months to two years afterwards.
Happy New Year

 

[supton]

Originally Posted by PowerSurge
Originally Posted by 4WD
Ok but my family and my friends owned those piston slappers up to 400k … (wheel bearing only)
My last one was beaten hard for 8 years and never saw the dealership … no oil consumption …
Our current 5.3's consume no oil and the 1.4L turbo is at 120k as is the Fusion … neither use oil.
BTW … the 5.3's are very quiet engines … piston jets may of helped …
The Tundra has a consumption issue … gasoline …


I dont buy a truck to worry about fuel mileage. Tundra is the best built half ton on the market. My ‘03 Sierra sounded like a diesel and used a quart every 800 miles by 60,000 miles and got worse. My Tundra doesn't burn a drop between oil changes.

Tundra has a laundry list of problems (front diff, water pump, cam tower leaks, steering rack, rust and apparently leaf springs). Also when everyone else can eek out significantly more mpg... it tells you something. Yes a truck will always use more gasoline per mile, so any comparison to a car does not make sense--compared against other trucks, it's simply behind. I say that as someone who has one, and still likes it.

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted by 4WD
That's a tiny number in my inner circle alone. If you think there has been a chronic problem with oil consumption … bring a real database
I don't doubt Toyota quality … but as you bashed while giving lectures on bashing and hate … there are certainly some Japanese engines known to consume oil … surely hear about them on this site …
When you type "laugh at" … guess you are looking down on us common folk. We'll be OK.
Toyotas have Toyota problems. Fords have Ford Problems. Chrysler [what ever they are called] have Chrysler problems. It seems to be over all quality and the luck of the draw. I have owned 4 Toyotas over the years some great most ok. 4 Fords all fine and I will say the Ford F250 with the 7.3 has been the finest vehicle I have ever owned so far, it was worked hard then after that the 96 Toyota Tacoma that was worked hard as well, You pay your money and you take your chances. My opinion but then i like Toyotas and Fords . I also had a 74 Chevy pick up it went through 3 trans missions repairs under warranty problems . One of my friends said lets get anther trans and rebuild it. zero problems after that. I enjoyed the p/u, it served me well

 

[PowerSurge]

Originally Posted by 4WD
That's a tiny number in my inner circle alone. If you think there has been a chronic problem with oil consumption … bring a real database
I don't doubt Toyota quality … but as you bashed while giving lectures on bashing and hate … there are certainly some Japanese engines known to consume oil … surely hear about them on this site …
When you type "laugh at" … guess you are looking down on us common folk. We'll be OK.


You can defend them all you want. I always tell people it's your money. Buy what you want.

 

[4WD]

Thanks for your permission on both

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by CT8
Originally Posted by 4WD
That's a tiny number in my inner circle alone. If you think there has been a chronic problem with oil consumption … bring a real database
I don't doubt Toyota quality … but as you bashed while giving lectures on bashing and hate … there are certainly some Japanese engines known to consume oil … surely hear about them on this site …
When you type "laugh at" … guess you are looking down on us common folk. We'll be OK.
Toyotas have Toyota problems. Fords have Ford Problems. Chrysler [what ever they are called] have Chrysler problems. It seems to be over all quality and the luck of the draw. I have owned 4 Toyotas over the years some great most ok. 4 Fords all fine and I will say the Ford F250 with the 7.3 has been the finest vehicle I have ever owned so far, it was worked hard then after that the 96 Toyota Tacoma that was worked hard as well, You pay your money and you take your chances. My opinion but then i like Toyotas and Fords .




The latest problem with Chrysler is that Americans are figuring out how to pronounce Peugeot.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

Can't you just hold the gas pedal to the floor to get it into clear flood mode and crank it for a second then let up and have it start? It will circulate oil before it starts.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote
...My post wasn't intended your way / in your direction...
Nevertheless as explained issue addressed identical. Also trying to be helpful to the OP. Lessons learned, moving on.

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by Miller88
Can't you just hold the gas pedal to the floor to get it into clear flood mode and crank it for a second then let up and have it start? It will circulate oil before it starts.




Does this still apply with today's injection systems? I haven't done that since my last carbureted vehicle.

 

[Navi]

The purpose of this thread is to update the results of my Ecoboost vs oil findings. Toyota as well as other makers all have issues with this rattle in high miles engines. Any doubt? Look on Youtube...

It looks like you guys are getting off topic.

 

[Job]

Sounds not bad to me, a second of diesel sound. I would drive to where I need to go and not worry at all. I would also use the correct viscosity for the temps listed in the manual.

 

[PimTac]

YouTube is not a verifiable source.

 

[4WD]

Originally Posted by PimTac
YouTube is not a verifiable source.


You might just find MACT comparing iron PPM on two VOA's …
and highest overall PPM of everything all in will get the chicken dinner !