You guys that run the oversize filters, have you ever given some thought into what the store would say if something happened? I can just see it right now: the filter collapses, shutting off all oil to the engine, you ask the store to buy you a new engine only to have them tell you they're not responsible for damages because you bought a filter that doesn't match the application. You guys ever think about that? I tell'ya, that's the main reason why I'm scared to put one there.
The liability of going with an oversize filter
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Aright so, the manufacturer tells you they're not responsible for damages because you bought the wrong filter. Ever think about that?
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Aright so, the manufacturer tells you they're not responsible for damages because you bought the wrong filter. Ever think about that?
Can't say it keeps me awake @ nights.
Can't be any more liability than constantly recommending 10w-30 where 5w30 is appropriate or overfilling a sump.
Aright so, the manufacturer tells you they're not responsible for damages because you bought the wrong filter. Ever think about that?
Can't say it keeps me awake @ nights.
Can't be any more liability than constantly recommending 10w-30 where 5w30 is appropriate or overfilling a sump.
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
You guys that run the oversize filters, have you ever given some thought into what the store would say if something happened? I can just see it right now: the filter collapses, shutting off all oil to the engine, you ask the store to buy you a new engine only to have them tell you they're not responsible for damages because you bought a filter that doesn't match the application. You guys ever think about that? I tell'ya, that's the main reason why I'm scared to put one there.
No, after the engine blows, we'll all swap out the oversized Filters to an OCD Fram for our application, to be later denied since we all used the OCD and not an OEM filter. LMAO.
I think you are over thinking this process.
Regards, JC.
You guys that run the oversize filters, have you ever given some thought into what the store would say if something happened? I can just see it right now: the filter collapses, shutting off all oil to the engine, you ask the store to buy you a new engine only to have them tell you they're not responsible for damages because you bought a filter that doesn't match the application. You guys ever think about that? I tell'ya, that's the main reason why I'm scared to put one there.
No, after the engine blows, we'll all swap out the oversized Filters to an OCD Fram for our application, to be later denied since we all used the OCD and not an OEM filter. LMAO.
I think you are over thinking this process.
Regards, JC.
Yes if I recall, somebody on a Corvette forum had their engine destroyed by a collapsing Fram. That's how this whole fear of cardboard end caps got started.
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Originally Posted By: Rand
why would the filter collapse unless defective?
that's like saying What if I lost oil pressure from using synthetic oil..
its not a real life situation.
exactly, if it's a defective filter, it's a defective filter.
i have no problems running a longer than normal filter. more oil capacity, more surface area on the filter media, should be able to capture more crud, and run a little longer.
why would the filter collapse unless defective?
that's like saying What if I lost oil pressure from using synthetic oil..
its not a real life situation.
exactly, if it's a defective filter, it's a defective filter.
i have no problems running a longer than normal filter. more oil capacity, more surface area on the filter media, should be able to capture more crud, and run a little longer.
Zero thoughts given. Will continue to use larger filters when I have them.
My point is that a store or the manufacturer is always looking for a way out, and the wrong part number on your car would make the perfect copout even though you and I both know that it wouldn't make any difference.
How would an oversize filter be more prone to collapsing than the normal one?
The FL1A filter I use on my Cherokee hasn't collapsed on many , many Ford engines ...
The FL1A filter I use on my Cherokee hasn't collapsed on many , many Ford engines ...
Originally Posted By: Miller88
How would an oversize filter be more prone to collapsing than the normal one?
I'm not saying it is, but the store or the manufacture could easily place the blame on it.
How would an oversize filter be more prone to collapsing than the normal one?
I'm not saying it is, but the store or the manufacture could easily place the blame on it.
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
I can just see it right now: the filter collapses, shutting off all oil to the engine, you ask the store to buy you a new engine only to have them tell you they're not responsible for damages because you bought a filter that doesn't match the application. You guys ever think about that?
No. What does filter collapsing have to do with running an oversized filter?
With that said, the only time I ran an oversized filter was when the engine manufacturer specifically recommended it.
I can just see it right now: the filter collapses, shutting off all oil to the engine, you ask the store to buy you a new engine only to have them tell you they're not responsible for damages because you bought a filter that doesn't match the application. You guys ever think about that?
No. What does filter collapsing have to do with running an oversized filter?
With that said, the only time I ran an oversized filter was when the engine manufacturer specifically recommended it.
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But a good point nonetheless. If said filter is 'designed' for a given vehicle and applied to an out of spec application and something fails associated with that filter, you're out of luck because you gave everyone an out. I don't know to many of us average joes that has a legal department like any of these mfgs do. Thats a tough one...
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
but the store or the manufacture could easily place the blame on it.
They would have to prove it. It'll be their lawyers against yours.
but the store or the manufacture could easily place the blame on it.
They would have to prove it. It'll be their lawyers against yours.
This is nothing new. No filter manufacture will warrant a non-spec filter, so it is a tiny risk you have to figure into your decision. If it fails you are on your own. If you can't handle it don't do it.
That said, the Fram rep who posts here also admitted he often runs oversize filters himself. I have one on now, and will definitely oversize again.
That said, the Fram rep who posts here also admitted he often runs oversize filters himself. I have one on now, and will definitely oversize again.
Unless the 'store' installed the oversize filter on their own, they wouldn't have any liability anyway. But, on the chance however small something happens to the engine while using an oversize, and the filter is determined to be the cause, then that gives the filter manufacturer an easy out of any liability, as they don't warrant other than the spec size filter.
As long as you are willing to assume the risk which is relatively small imo, then go for it.
As long as you are willing to assume the risk which is relatively small imo, then go for it.
I doubt the filter manufacturer would do anything if a non spec'd filter was ran and failed. You can bet if my filter did happen to collapse, it would appear on my oil pressure gauge. Plus a check engine light may appear and perhaps a chime?
Just turn your engine off ASAP and pull over.
Just turn your engine off ASAP and pull over.
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