Still no proof. Words are cheap, I look for scientific numbers. Unless you can provide documentation of your claims, then this conversation is over. Have a good day.
The great filter debate.
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They always said the mind is a powerful thing. We can think something and magically it becomes true. Like I said in my original post, do whatever makes you happy.
Engineering Explained guy is pretty meticulous in his methods. As mentioned, there are thousands of dyno runs like Engineering Explained did in his video that shows slight HP gains at WOT with a more free flowing air filter. That's of course if the intake tubing, etc isn't the air flow choke point and the filter was. Any time more air and fuel (at the correct ratio of course) can be taken in on the intake stroke will result in more HP output.
That's exactly what was shown in the Engineering Explained video (and a thousand more like it). Only factor changed in the testing was the air filter.
The degree of irony in this post cannot be overstated.
How to you know this when they don't state which variables were identified, measured, controlled and varied as part of their test plan?
ABN_CBT_ENGR can be prickly sometimes in his posts but he is certainly correct here.
Did you watch the video? Only thing changed was the drop-in air filter in the stock OEM air box. Dyno runs were all done on the same day on the same dyno. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of similar dyno runs showing a slight HP gain at WOT from a more free flowing air filter (when intake downstream isn't the flow choker). Can you prove that an engine can't make more HP if more air+fuel at the correct ratio is combusted inside the cylinders?
It's clear you've never been part of an engineering peer review and people are trying to tell you that in several ways.
Go read what he said that I quoted from his post. It's the same thing I'm saying.
LoL ... it's clear you can't understand a simple test procedure.
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MaryAnnBoxers or briefs, Ginger or MaryAnn. This question is insoluble.
Look, you're trying to draw a conclusion or establish a justification on performance differential based on YouTube.
Sorry, but that's not how it's done.
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I'm trying to work through the variable controls - to me it would be environmental, the fan speed for the dyno room, etc. Same car, same fuel, same dyno, swapping filters between runs with back/forth repeats, and same time cooling down between runs for the heat soak aspect. The pulls are usually 4th gear 2K to redline. You can monitor timing/boost/etc. to ensure consistency/no issues with timing pull. Not much else to control really to me? The repeats are what handles a lot of it - so much of what I see is a single run of one filter and then a single run of another filter. Needs lots of runs to average out all those hard-to-control variables.
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Depending on specifics and type of filter, ISO 16890,29463,21220 5011 for starters
You might want to expands your awareness
That's false on its face and laughable overall
I did specifically, now Mr. Trainer- reciprocate
You have no concept, clue or actual experience in actual engineering testing and all the associated protocols and requirements do you?
or do you just know what a link tells you?
Do you have any actual knowledge to draw from or are you just arguing other peoples points with no real comprehension of the subject?
Word semantic games ... something causing an increase in HP can be thought of as "adding" HP. If thousands of people see a HP "increase/gain/add" on dyno tests on the same dyno on the same day by simply using a less restrictive air filter and not changing any other factors, then what's your theory on why that's happening?
Yet you promote and rely on a home made YT video as a legitimate claim?
Why don't you do the same testing yourself and prove it to yourself. Flat earthers never will believe the earth is round until they prove it to themselves.
No, in scientific and engineering terminology, words have specific and detailed meanings with qualifications that do not apply in general conversation specifically to avoid the misunderstandings you are suffering from and illustrating in your post.. This is not "semantics".
Its more proof positive that illustrates the points I have made.
You obviously have no concept of experiment controls either ( or inputs etc)
As i asked before- do you personally have any formal training and experience in legitimate engineering reviewed studies in any discipline? If the answer is no then you might do better to listen and learn.
On that theory- an open window increasing volume of available air changing a parameter, heat change in ambient air, 10,000 other potential control points- any one of which could alter the test or influence the results.
Yes ... simple stuff, yet some can't gasp or explain why 1000s of similar dyno tests keep showing more HP with more air flow going into the engine. Another thing is to monitor the air flow/mass sensor and the A/F ratio to see what those are also doing.
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