The Despicable Reason Behind Raw Milk Bans

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Posted By Dr. Mercola | July 20 2010 | 48,507 views


Government, public health and dairy industry officials want to restrict the sale and distribution of raw milk, citing safety concerns. But small dairy farmers, organic consumers' advocates and raw milk drinkers say that safety isn't the real issue -- it's control of the dairy market.

In January, the Massachusetts Department of Agricultural Resources (MDAR) proposed new regulations that would ban off-the-farm sale and distribution of raw milk. Prior to making the regulations public, MDAR issued cease-and-desist orders to four milk-buying clubs.

While no one has died in Massachusetts because of raw milk, three people died in 2007 from Listeriosis from pasteurized milk.

According to In These Times:

"Considering the relative safety of raw milk and its possible health benefits, campaigns against its legalization are surprisingly intense, and not just in Massachusetts."

David Gumpert, author of The Raw Milk Revolution, argues that regulation is "not about safety -- it's about protecting markets."

Sources: In These Times June 23, 2010


Dr. Mercola's Comments:

The FDA and CDC have been particularly aggressive recently in their efforts to crack down on raw milk under the pretense of public health safety. But the truth remains that not only is raw milk a health-promoting food, it is oftentimes safer than the pasteurized varieties both state and federal governments are rallying behind.

David Gumpert, author of The Raw Milk Revolution, pointed out, for instance, that while no one has died in Massachusetts because of raw milk, three people died in 2007 from pasteurized milk tainted with Listeriosis.

And as In These Times reported, according to CDC data from 1993 to 2006 there were about 116 illnesses a year linked to raw milk -- that amounts to less than .000002 percent of the 76 million people who contract a food-borne illness in the United States each year!

It is very apparent that the regulatory agencies have put blinders on to these statistics as they carry on with their ruthless crusade to ban raw milk and make it illegal for you to drink it.

Why?

Because they are looking out for the interests of Big Dairy produced in factory farms.

Industrial Dairy Farmers Cannot Safely Produce Raw Milk

Raw milk has been gaining popularity for years now. In Massachusetts, the number of dairies licensed to sell raw milk grew from 12 to 23 in just two years, while the Northeast Organic Farming Association stated that dairies are selling more raw milk than they were just five years ago, and consumers call in every week looking for advice on where to find it.

The conventional dairy industry, realizing this, has redoubled their efforts to make sure that raw milk sales are not able to grow, and certainly not able to become mainstream, where they could begin to threaten their very own livelihoods.

If raw dairy really caught on, you would think that the dairy industry would simply follow suit and begin producing raw products to meet the demand. But this would be virtually impossible.

Their business depends on pasteurization, and that is why their powerful lobbyists will stop at nothing to persuade government agencies to keep raw milk bans in full force.

Only Healthy Milk, from Healthy Cows, Can be Consumed Raw

There's a vast difference between the quality and safety of milk from organically raised, grass-fed cows, and conventionally raised, grain-fed livestock. Conventional dairy farms are not typically set up to produce healthy milk, and really the very idea of producing mass quantities of milk from huge numbers of cows confined to one area is contrary to the very nature of healthy milk.

Cows that are fed grain and raised under substandard conditions will likely produce milk that is unhealthy to drink raw because grains, antibiotics, growth hormones, and filthy living conditions change the pH balance and the natural bacteria present in a cow's gut, which in turn affects the natural bacteria and pathogens present in their milk.

In order for conventional dairy farms to safely produce raw milk, they'd be forced to clean up their production practices, raise healthier cows (and likely fewer cows), and give them access to pasture. This would cost them money … lots of money, if it were even possible at all – and that is a very big "if."

This is why, when buying raw milk, it's very important to make sure you're buying milk that has been produced with the intention of being consumed raw, and not just raw milk from conventionally-raised cows that hasn't gone through the pasteurization process yet.

It also begs the question, if the milk produced by most dairy farms has to be pasteurized to remove the filth and bacteria it ordinarily contains … is it really something you want to drink?

Who Should be Able to Limit Your Right to Unpasteurized, Unprocessed Food?


If you're thinking "no one," you're going to have to duke it out with the FDA.

Earlier this year, the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund (FTCLDF) filed a lawsuit against the FDA over their raw milk ban, claiming it is unconstitutional. The FDA's rebuttal contained the following extremely concerning and outrageous statements, which make it very clear they believe you have no right to unprocessed food:

* "There is no absolute right to consume or feed children any particular food."
* "There is no 'deeply rooted' historical tradition of unfettered access to foods of all kinds."
* "Plaintiffs' assertion of a 'fundamental right to their own bodily and physical health, which includes what foods they do and do not choose to consume for themselves and their families' is similarly unavailing because plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish."
* The FDA's brief goes on to state that "even if such a right did exist, it would not render the FDA's regulations unconstitutional because prohibiting the interstate sale and distribution of unpasteurized milk promotes bodily and physical health."
* "There is no fundamental right to freedom of contract."

Since when did the FDA have authority to tell you what you can and cannot eat and feed your children? Apparently they believe they've had it all along.

If you go by these assertions, it means the FDA has the authority to prohibit any food of their choosing and make it a crime for you to seek it out. If, one day, the FDA deems tomatoes, broccoli or cashews capable of causing you harm (which is just as ludicrous as their assertions that raw milk is harmful), they could therefore enact such a ban and legally enforce it.

What this means is that freedom of food choice is a myth if you live in the United States, and this simply is not acceptable.

Unfortunately, state governments have been dutifully following suit, no doubt after intense pressure from the dairy industry.

In May, for instance, after weeks of lobbying by the Wisconsin dairy industry, Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle vetoed a bill that would have made sale of on-the-farm raw milk legal, stating he "must side with public health and safety of the dairy industry."

In Massachusetts, the Massachusetts Department of Agricultural Resources issued cease-and-desist orders to four milk-buying clubs and proposed new regulations to ban off-the-farm sale and distribution of raw milk.

In their lawsuit, FTCLDF also pointed out that the FDA is taking an unfairly harsh approach with raw milk compared to other raw foods. For instance, unpasteurized juices are sold with just a warning label letting consumers know the juice has not been pasteurized, while raw milk has been outright banned in many states.

Is it a coincidence that some of the states where raw milk sales are illegal are also among the largest dairy producers in the United States (namely Wisconsin and Iowa)?

Hardly.

Do You Want Easy Access to Raw Milk?

By joining the fight to make access to healthy raw milk a right for all Americans, you are not only standing up for raw milk; you're taking a stand to protect your freedom of food choice.

No one, and certainly not any government agency or dairy lobby, should be able to restrict your access to pure, unadulterated food. Organizations like the Weston A. Price Foundation and the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund are working toward true freedom of choice for American consumers, and I urge you to get involved in their causes.

For more information, I urge you to listen to my interview with Mark McAfee, the founder of Organic Pastures, one of the largest producers of raw milk in the United States, along with this video with health and business journalist David E. Gumpert.

You can also find lots of valuable information in Gumpert's book, The Raw Milk Revolution, and on McAfee's Web site www.OrganicPastures.com.
 
"Is it a coincidence that some of the states where raw milk sales are illegal are also among the largest dairy producers in the United States (namely Wisconsin and Iowa)?"

Raw milk sales here aren't illegal, it just needs to be from the producer itself. Realistically, this should be a wake up call that the people who know the most about milk recommend it be pasteurized.

As someone who has worked on a dairy farm for a few years of my life, why on earth someone would want to drink milk that hasn't been pasteurized is beyond me.
 
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Amen, bepperb. Same as people not getting theior children immunized against polio, whooping cough, etc.
 
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In Minnesota (#6 milk producer nationally), raw milk is not illegal if purchased directly from the farmer. What raw milk people object to is that if the milk goes through someone else for purchase, it is regulated (ie: the farmer drops milk with somebody to distribute to multiple customers).

Also agree with bepperb, having a dairy farm in the extended family, raw milk is not for me.
 
The FDA and the State of Massachusetts are correct and responsible in banning 'off farm' raw milk sales and use. "Dr." Mercola is a sensationalist moron for suggesting otherwise.

Pasteurization kills pathogenic bacteria which occasionally may be present in milk, including those causing tuberculosis (Mycobacterium bovis), listeriosis (Listeria monocytogenes), Q fever (Coxiella burnetii), brucellosis (Brucella), campylobacteriosis (Campylobacter), salmonellosis (Salmonella), and several other foodborne illnesses (e.g., Escherichia coli O157:H7).

Unpasteurized, i.e., 'raw', milk has been and still remains a potential source of human food borne illness. Although the number of CDC incidents are low, it is likely low due to the fact that the vast majority drink a safe, pasteurized product. Morbidity and mortality will certainally increase if pasteurization rules are relaxed by not latching the 'back door' access to potentially unhealthy product.

Today's 'flash pasteurization' techniques do not appreciably reduce the nutritious value of milk or milk products. And, as an aside, it's pretty clear that Americans are 'over nourished' by sweets, sugared colas, etc.. The minuscule nutritional reduction by pasteurization is lost in the noise.

As to one's 'right' to have raw milk? No, you they do not have a 'right.' It's about is the right to access safe and reliable milk for all. Governor Doyle was absolutely correct in stating, "must side with public health and safety of the dairy industry."
 
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I like a good "barriers to entry" conspiracy theory.

What about state regulated minimum milk prices? It's around $3.26 a gallon for 1.5% here. Could you imagine if they came up with a minimum gasoline price? Noone calls the dairy association a "cartel".

I used to get (pateurized) milk right off the farm in glass bottles, in protest of supermarkets charging about $1/gal over the state minimum, which I presume generates a decent profit for the lobbyist middlemen. Then they got all "uppity" and jacked their rates. FWIW they sell "creamline" which is pasteurized but not homogenized, but no raw milk.

Illogically, gas stations and convenience stores charge state minimum price, and don't really advertise it as a great deal. I have a choice of several brands (in differing stores) all at the same price. What an odd world we live in.
 
Originally Posted By: bepperb
"Is it a coincidence that some of the states where raw milk sales are illegal are also among the largest dairy producers in the United States (namely Wisconsin and Iowa)?"

Raw milk sales here aren't illegal, it just needs to be from the producer itself. Realistically, this should be a wake up call that the people who know the most about milk recommend it be pasteurized.

As someone who has worked on a dairy farm for a few years of my life, why on earth someone would want to drink milk that hasn't been pasteurized is beyond me.


Very true, thanks for posting! There is always some [censored] with a Dr. in front of his name who has to come up with some bogus conspiracy theory. I have had friends die taking the drugs in the amount they were prescribed. By a MD. That is despicable, just criminals who have been through med school. Little off topic, just trying to make a point.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
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Illogically, gas stations and convenience stores charge state minimum price, and don't really advertise it as a great deal. I have a choice of several brands (in differing stores) all at the same price. What an odd world we live in.


Around here convenience stores gouge for milk. Also, the milk you buy in a convenience store has a "Best before" date that is usually that day, yesterday or tomorrow. I'm told that when the grocery stores have stocks of milk that is nearing the best before date, they are gathered up and shipped to convenience stores. I'm not sure if that's true or if that's what's going on where you are, but it could explain the lower pricing you're seeing in convenience stores.
 
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Is it a coincidence that some of the states where raw milk sales are illegal are also among the largest dairy producers in the United States (namely Wisconsin and Iowa)?


Raw milk isn't illegal in the largest dairy producer, California.
 
Originally Posted By: Lurch
Since when did the FDA have authority to tell you what you can and cannot eat and feed your children? Apparently they believe they've had it all along.

You know FDA stands for Food and Drug Administration, right?
 
I drank lots of raw milk when I lived in NH, and went to pick it up at the small farms myself. I realized there was a risk I could get sick from it, but I never got sick from it, in fact I seemed to get healthier. I'd be drinking it today if I still lived up there.

I don't care what the FDA and CDC have to say about it. I don't believe they have the public's best interest in mind. I believe the almighty dollar has them by the b____s.
 
This is a pretty good read on the subject, certainly a lot less biased than the sensationalistic drivel in that article...

LINK

I thought this was pretty curious:

"In all, between 2005 and 2009, 395 Washingtonians with lab-confirmed cases of food-borne pathogens reported consuming raw-milk products shortly before getting sick, the state Department of Health says.

Nationally, food-borne-illness outbreaks associated with dairy have "increased dramatically" since 2004, "in large part due to a rise in outbreaks from unpasteurized dairy products," according to Center for Science in the Public Interest. Raw milk is one of a few products for which the nonprofit says "Do Not Eat."

Using data from the CDC, the group found that raw milk accounts for 80 percent of milk-related food-borne-illness outbreaks nationally, yet it's only a fraction of total milk sales. The CDC said there have been at least two deaths nationally connected with raw milk between 1993 and 2006."

On the one hand, if cigarettes are legal, I have a hard time seeing why raw milk should be banned. I mean, are you going to accidentally pick up a $12.00 gallon of milk?!? Probably not...

On the other hand, if I did drink milk, I wouldn't drink it. I also think the sensationalistic nonsense about "big agribusiness trying to beat down the little guy" is (in this instance) pretty ridiculous. This is such an incredibly tiny fraction of the market that it's beyond insignificant.
 
Originally Posted By: bepperb

As someone who has worked on a dairy farm for a few years of my life, why on earth someone would want to drink milk that hasn't been pasteurized is beyond me.


We spent decades fighting diseases, finding ways to prevent them, developing processes like pasteurization, developing safe and effective vaccinations...and now a sub-set of the human race wants to throw it all away. With the result that many nearly-eradicated diseases are making a comeback. When I was a kid I never heard of anyone getting whooping cough, but now there are outbreaks of it every year. There is a lot of willful stupidity loose in the world these days.
 
The real problem is we are having a discussion ABOUT THIS. If you dont recognise the govnt overreaching hear - its too late for you and The Bloated Socialist Republic. My wife and I get raw free range eggs, organic grown veggies, grass fed bison, and raw milk from local farms around us in So. NH.
- Motto: "Live Free or Die!"
 
I'm not a big fan of government telling me what I can and cannot do. To me, if I want to buy milk from the farmer that's my right and not the governments business.
 
Originally Posted By: Lurch
I don't care what the FDA and CDC have to say about it. I don't believe they have the public's best interest in mind. I believe the almighty dollar has them by the b____s.

That's fine, but the article you posted in support of that perspective is terrible.
 
Originally Posted By: Lurch


I don't care what the FDA and CDC have to say about it.


Then don't listen to them...

They aren't "banning" raw milk, though, so stop with the obfuscations. This happens at the state level, so if you have an issue, take it up with your state government.

The FDA and CDC are simply making a recommendation to avoid it, and based on the available data, it seems like a good one to me.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
I'm not a big fan of government telling me what I can and cannot do. To me, if I want to buy milk from the farmer that's my right and not the governments business.


I think the difference between those who like this and those (admittedly myself) that think pasteurization is a no-brainer is where you get your milk or your mental image of where your milk comes from.

If you have a clean small farm nearby you can get it from good for you. When I worked on the farm I drank raw milk. The problem is that most of the public buys from large factory farms that don't live up to the standards you have in your head about cleanliness. And how could they, since most of the public is willing to pay less than 3 bucks a gallon. You wouldn't run up to a cow in the middle of a heard of 200 and lick the teat that's been drug through poop and mud all day? But you'll happily let me wipe it with a rag and pump out some milk for you to drink untreated?

The worry I have if this wasn't an FDA mandate would be distrubutors trying to save money skipping a step, maybe even upcharging for it, but most importantly parents trying to "do the right thing" but making their kids sick.

My advice, if you don't know the name of the guy pumping your milk, stick with pasteurized.
 
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Originally Posted By: cchase
I'm not a big fan of government telling me what I can and cannot do. To me, if I want to buy milk from the farmer that's my right and not the governments business.


+1

Humans have only started drink and eating pasteurized and processed foods very recently, what happened to all the millions of people who lived before that did not have these processes. I grew up in a town with a lot of apple orchards and all the apple cider I got there was unpasteurized. It taste much better than the stuff you could get at a supermarket.
 
Originally Posted By: J_Sap
what happened to all the millions of people who lived before that did not have these processes.


They died!!!
 
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