edyvw
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Imo not worth all that mumbo jumbo when 5qt of Mobil1 is $24.97.
The 5/40 oils
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I used to feel the same way. Thing is, I'm already dumping my oil into old jugs at each change, because at a minimum, I have to recycle them or face potential felony charges. Also, the local auto parts store is right next to the PO where I'm at, so I'm going there anyway. Why not shove it in a box and get a full refund while I'm at it?
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Bcs. I trust far more Mobil1, or any company I mentioned than Liqui Moly. Only oil blenders I would put Liqui Moly ahead is Triax and similar brands.
FCP has other oils if you go that route.
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Yes, they have Motul. I will probably try that soon. But my Audi burns zero oil with my current brand of LM and it's a vehicle notorious for such, so for now I'm happy. I also have Castrol Euro waiting on my shelf.
Liqui Moly Molygen 5W-40 you use is a very popular oil in Europe. i trust LM for some oils as i do for all companies.and i really cant see why amsoil can be trusted without using approvals but LM who is very respectable and known brand all over the world ,cant.if some oils are better or not thats debatable.
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I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to be the one to point it out...
I somewhat agree but I do think LM’s credibility is damaged by its additive business and promotion. Amsoil has a bit more transparency as well, but there are plenty here who will not buy Amsoil either. I would not be afraid using LM 5W-40 but I also would not bet it is any better at all than Castrol or any other random 5W-40.
It will still eat it
ok,lets get done it with that rumour..
exclamation,i dont have anything to do with that company,but i want to be fair.
their additive business is very respectable all over the world.used by millions satisfied customers all over the world.their oils too.even when they didnt have any approvals just like amsoil and redline. we, in Europe don't distinguish these companies. they are all welcome.., we try things first. we dont care and we dont use promotion as an excuse to not buy a product. one of the reasons that many years ago we hesitated to buy LM oils, was that their prices were higher than castrol etc.but whoever wanted to pay ,they did..and we never heard any bad rumor that they were bad oils.this is something i heard here first time and some other bmw forums, you can imagine why.
in terms of quality, this is where i classify this brand,next to castrol,total..its time to recognise it..i dont know triax ,but i guess its a cheap brand. castrol these days has mediocre 5-30,5-40 oils, almost same with some LM products but still we suggest buying castrol and to avoid LM products ,why?
bcs. someone spread a rumor that they are not good oils.even though they use exxom's base oils, even they have solid approvals, even if their specs are as good as with castrol's,total's, motul and so on.its time to stop believing that rumour that began in ancient times with no real reason.its funny people to believe 1-2 persons that make negative marketing based on their personal not product experience ,whatever that is, i am still not convinced, and without a technical evidence, and not to believe specs and approvals WE ARE HERE ALL ABOUT..this is all the education knowledge we need to judge an oil and a company,not a crystall ball,proved facts,as approvals and specs and msds..we accuse a legit and approved company bcs. of their aggressive marketing as crap but we support a negative marketing based on someones opinion.and some of the members here that you haven't tried one of their products enhance that negative opinion.i tell you one thing...i am still impressed how people are manipulated based on just a rumour..
i mean you guys live in the country that invented marketing and promotion ,why is that bad? isnt the same thing thats happening with a lot of products everyday? drinks,food ,coca cola,apple,microsoft,banks,celular mobile companies ,they all use that marketing.but you still buy them....and LM which does the same marketing is bad? now if someone tries a LM product and finds it bad then this is a true criteria for judging it.just like any product.
if someone says ,i will never try one of their products even if they pay me,the time that LM makes millions of sales ,then i wouldn't trust that persons opinion for LM, and in addition i would suspect that there is a personal reason and not a product reason.
i dont care if continental paid shop owners for demonstrating their label upfront on their shops.its a good marketing, aggressive as hell, but a lot of people who tried some of them, find them mediocre tyres. bmw europe used their runflat tyres as OE for years and they were garbage..they had a lot of complaints from customers and they replaced them with Pirelli and they gained their customers back again.but its not all of their tyres bad, some are actually very good ,their sport series for example.
in Europe we never had any suspicion about their quality.and we don't have a problem with their aggressive marketing just like we didn't have any problem with continental ''made in Germany'' tyres, which we discovered later were not made in Germany, but ''engineered''.
personally i work on digital marketing and this is not a problem for me..quality on the other hand is, this will be the judge of a product.
marketing tricks are everywhere.made in germany sells,sure.if the product is good why care? Motul says on their site made in France but on the back of the bottle is written that it is made in another country. motul lies in their marketing label at their site but is good,LM does not lie that their marketing says made in Germany and its bad .and why is bad? they do make it there and we all search for a product that is made in this country..most of them..its a reputation Germany built years by years why not take advantage of it since its true? they make quality products why not to advertise it? yes its a trick of marketing for those who still believe that sells a ''made in germany'' product label.but why is bad? you dont like the trick? its ok..but i dont think that a person who knows a lot about oils will be affect his judge about its quality.
that is something they are proud of,just like it was for nike or apple products long time ago.i had no problem buying something that is made in another country but if you ask me i would prefer to buy the same product that is made in the US than from an asian plant.but thats just me.the fact they are expanding their factories in Ulm ,tells me that their products are good for customers.their additives are top of the line just like redline's are.they made progress with engine oils.they were a small company,they produced oils without approvals like mannol does,but they made a a progress ,they understand the way the game is played if they want to be a serious blender ,they invested a lot of money to be a respectable blender,they tried to be something more than an additive company and they made it.they paid ,they gained approvals ,they are legit.at least LM tells the truth, it is MADE IN GERMANY, in ULM, they invest millions of euros every 10 years, they get bigger.
what is funny is that their most famous engine oils that still sell as hell are the 2 ones ,green and purplle that dont have approvals,well purple now at least has some ,the most important ones..
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In the US the issue with LM is price. Why pay the same price for "meets the spec" LM vs something like M1 FS/ESP or Shell GTL (aka Pennzoil)?
One thing I don't like about LM is their PDS. For example it'll say. HTHS is >3.5 or Noak <13%. Basically just stating the min/max of the underlying ACEA specification.
about the pds..i dont like it either..but lets face it, not many companies show these 2 specs too..castrol doesn't even mention the percentage of both of them.total doesn't, fuchs doesn't..see, there are many companies.sorry thats not a good argument too.
price is another thing..doesnt have anything to do with quality of a company.its not all of their oil meets and spec.they have a big line with approved oils ,in every grade,not as good like esp but in par with castrol and total ,yes.
just for your information 63 euros for M1 in europe, from 54 euros for LM approved oils..for 5000miles LM approved oils are fine.
and just to notice i have never tried one of their oils yet.
Price always matters. All the German brands like Ravenol, Rowe, Pentosin (Fuchs) are expensive in the US. It's just economics but as @edyvw will tell you from his own experience in oil testing LM is avg oil. I know LM spends a ton of money on advertising. On par with the majors so I have to wonder how a small private company can afford to if they're providing an above avg product.
I agree it's fine for 5k miles. I have* it in my sump now and I put less than 5k miles/yr on my car.
* My car is too low to change at home.
that was ages ago,as he admitted, the time that they barely had approvals.a lot has changed since then.
how do we know if an oil is average today? specs, trying it ,maybe voa .we cant generalise about the products of a company.
castrol has some average oils,,i guess super XXXline formula from mobil is average.
Well it's typical LM or Castrol politic. Sometimes medium range products overpriced here too. Other really good products.
Yeah about PDS, but really PDS is not super useful even when parameters are exactly writed. Other brands do the same like Repsol here and they have any really good oils with generic PDS.
oops ,i skipped that..so did your engine survived with LM ?
i am just teasing you ,you are one of the nicest members here,just to support the ongoing rumor..you know..
so which one did you put in? how did it go? its something to notice with less than 5000miles but you are experienced.
Ticking time bomb for sure. Ha.. It's some 5w40 and the shop gets it in 55 gallon drums.oops ,i skipped that..so did your engine survived with LM ?
i am just teasing you ,you are one of the nicest members here,just to support the ongoing rumor..you know..
so which one did you put in? how did it go? its something to notice with less than 5000miles but you are experienced.
They will but you’ll have an oil burner. Honda engines don’t make any power down low. Power is all above 3800 when Vtech kicks in.
Honda Euro manuals actually have a viscosity temp chart in the manual. NA does not. In Euro manuals 0/20 is only recommended for max fuel efficiency. Otherwise the general consensus was 0/30
0/40
5/40
15/40 for UAE
Not sure that anything (any oil brand or weight) is going to stop oil consumption at 300,000 miles. Even so, in most cases, the car falls apart around the engine.
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