TGMO 0W-20 SN for 2002 Toyota Echo?

[turtlevette]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
I didn't claim that they weren't just an explaination by those making it on how that DO


You need to translate from King's English to American English.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: flatlinerz
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: flatlinerz
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
TGMO 0W-20 SN can be used in any Toyota 1980 and newer, possibly also older. The only effects you will notice are better engine performance, longer oil life, and likely more engine durability.

Well that sounds like the perfect oil for my echo.

I noticed you are in Australia; so, the formulation there will possibly be different. Here in US, it's made by ExxonMobil. The US version by ExxonMobil is exceptionally good but I don't know the performance of other versions of TGMO 0W-20. Nevertheless, for a 2002 Echo, 0W-20 in general should be an OK grade.

Or is it Austin, Texas?

No you are right I am in Australia, I would actually buy from the US since its cheaper then buying it here.

Hah! How does that work? You order a 55-gallon drum and they ship it on a ship?

 

[Shannow]

Seriously, we can buy quarts of oil (e.g. M1, RP etc.) on ebay and have them delivered cheaper than our local stores...even accounting for quarts being smaller than litres.

 

[AKhan87]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Seriously, we can buy quarts of oil (e.g. M1, RP etc.) on ebay and have them delivered cheaper than our local stores...even accounting for quarts being smaller than litres.


LoL that is sad...

 

[flatlinerz]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Seriously, we can buy quarts of oil (e.g. M1, RP etc.) on ebay and have them delivered cheaper than our local stores...even accounting for quarts being smaller than litres.


What this man said!

 

[kr_bitog]

Originally Posted By: Gokhan
TGMO 0W-20 SN can be used in any Toyota 1980 and newer, possibly also older. The only effects you will notice are better engine performance, longer oil life, and likely more engine durability.


I have to disagree on this, it really depends on the climate and traffic pattern usage. For warm/hot climate or prolonged stop and go traffic, I have found 5w30 give better engine power, fuel economy and less noise after 5K usage.

The xw-20 I have used is Amsoil Signature 0w-20 and I compare with various Mobil 1 and Amsoil. Now with my second 1NZ-FE engine that I bought used with unknown kilometers, I add 1 quart Mobil 1 0w-40+ 2.2 l Mobil 5w30 to give very quiet engine, and it really make difference when you hit freeway on 80mph for three hours with above 90F ambient temperature.

 

[Tones]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
TGMO 0W-20 SN can be used in any Toyota 1980 and newer, possibly also older. The only effects you will notice are better engine performance, longer oil life, and likely more engine durability.


Interested in those statements, and what's there to back them up.

I agree, where does this 1980 and newer come from? I haven't seen that one before.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: Tones
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
TGMO 0W-20 SN can be used in any Toyota 1980 and newer, possibly also older. The only effects you will notice are better engine performance, longer oil life, and likely more engine durability.


Interested in those statements, and what's there to back them up.

I agree, where does this 1980 and newer come from? I haven't seen that one before.

Well, if you look at my signature lines, I run TGMO 0W-20 SN in my 1985 Toyota. My engine has never run as good with any other oil. My used oil analysis are great. I am truly impressed with this oil.

 

[turtlevette]

Originally Posted By: kr_bitog
[I have to disagree on this, it really depends on the climate and traffic pattern usage. For warm/hot climate or prolonged stop and go traffic, I have found 5w30 give better engine power, fuel economy and less noise after 5K usage.

and it really make difference when you hit freeway on 80mph for three hours with above 90F ambient temperature.


NO, a thinner oil makes more power, and gives better fuel economy. Noise is subjective and means nothing.

You should write a letter to Toyota and tell them their 0W-20 is no good for driving 80mph in 90deg weather.

Notice how ridiculous thick oil bias statements here never get taken to task.

 

[Brent_G]

Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: Tones
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
TGMO 0W-20 SN can be used in any Toyota 1980 and newer, possibly also older. The only effects you will notice are better engine performance, longer oil life, and likely more engine durability.


Interested in those statements, and what's there to back them up.

I agree, where does this 1980 and newer come from? I haven't seen that one before.

Well, if you look at my signature lines, I run TGMO 0W-20 SN in my 1985 Toyota. My engine has never run as good with any other oil. My used oil analysis are great. I am truly impressed with this oil.


So it has worked in your situation, and the oil is holding up fine in your UOA. That doesn't mean it is fine for everyone.

 

[turtlevette]

Originally Posted By: Brent_G

So it has worked in your situation, and the oil is holding up fine in your UOA. That doesn't mean it is fine for everyone.


You're not saying anything there. The same could be said for the 0W-40 you use.

A 20wt oil will work in anything. As gets pointed out here many times, 20wt oil has been around and used in autos for a very long time.

All the research is going into thinner oils now. Let's check back in 5 years and see what everyone is putting in their car.

 

[Brent_G]

It is working for him in his application. Saying that it will work for anything and provide better protection is an opinion not a fact. A used oil analysis isn't proof that wear is less.

There are many mfgs that do not spec xw20 in certain engines and I'm sure they have a very good reason. This isn't a one size fits all weight.

 

[turtlevette]

Originally Posted By: Brent_G

There are many mfgs that do not spec xw20 in certain engines and I'm sure they have a very good reason. This isn't a one size fits all weight.


There are many mfgs that do not spec 20W-50, 0W-40 and other thick oils in certain engines and I'm sure they have a very good reason. This isn't a one size fits all weight.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
There are many mfgs that do not spec 20W-50, 0W-40 and other thick oils in certain engines and I'm sure they have a very good reason. This isn't a one size fits all weight.


Originally Posted By: turtlevette
A 20wt oil will work in anything. As gets pointed out here many times, 20wt oil has been around and used in autos for a very long time.


Now I know you are a troll...

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
All the research is going into thinner oils now. Let's check back in 5 years and see what everyone is putting in their car.


And we'll also see how their engine designs have changed...Honda tells us that they are going to longer journals, larger diameters, and narrower clearances for their 16 grade engines...changes that are expressly to improve durability with thinner oils.

 

[turtlevette]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Now I know you are a troll...


And we'll also see how their engine designs have changed...Honda tells us that they are going to longer journals, larger diameters, and narrower clearances for their 16 grade engines...changes that are expressly to improve durability with thinner oils.


Nice. A troll. I've been up front about who I am. You're the one trying to pass yourself off as something you're not. I bet i have as much experience in the auto industry as you do. Zipola.

And I probably know more about power plants too. I doubt you know the difference between a FD and ID fan.

You think they are going to change the engine to fit the oil. I think they are going to make light weight oils superior in hydrodynamic mode as well as boundary mode. And they are going to be able to work in anything.

Are you even a car guy? What hotrods do you have? Have you ever rebuilt an engine. If you had spent less time on line blowing smoke and more time wrenching, you would have fixed up that BMW that sat in your back yard for 8 years providing a home for mice.

 

[KrisZ]

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Now I know you are a troll...


And we'll also see how their engine designs have changed...Honda tells us that they are going to longer journals, larger diameters, and narrower clearances for their 16 grade engines...changes that are expressly to improve durability with thinner oils.


Nice. A troll. I've been up front about who I am. You're the one trying to pass yourself off as something you're not. I bet i have as much experience in the auto industry as you do. Zipola.

And I probably know more about power plants too. I doubt you know the difference between a FD and ID fan.

You think they are going to change the engine to fit the oil. I think they are going to make light weight oils superior in hydrodynamic mode as well as boundary mode. And they are going to be able to work in anything.

Are you even a car guy? What hotrods do you have? Have you ever rebuilt an engine. If you had spent less time on line blowing smoke and more time wrenching, you would have fixed up that BMW that sat in your back yard for 8 years providing a home for mice.


Nice, looks like Shannow struck a nerve here

But please, do tell us of your other talents as well, and I'm sure there are many, don't hold back

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Brent_G

So it has worked in your situation, and the oil is holding up fine in your UOA. That doesn't mean it is fine for everyone.


You're not saying anything there. The same could be said for the 0W-40 you use.

A 20wt oil will work in anything. As gets pointed out here many times, 20wt oil has been around and used in autos for a very long time.

All the research is going into thinner oils now. Let's check back in 5 years and see what everyone is putting in their car.







I used 20wt oils in the late 60s and early 70s. I switched to Mobil 1 5w20 in 1978(only wt they had then). My engines always ran very well with no signs of engine wear.

 

[kr_bitog]

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: kr_bitog
[I have to disagree on this, it really depends on the climate and traffic pattern usage. For warm/hot climate or prolonged stop and go traffic, I have found 5w30 give better engine power, fuel economy and less noise after 5K usage.

and it really make difference when you hit freeway on 80mph for three hours with above 90F ambient temperature.


NO, a thinner oil makes more power, and gives better fuel economy. Noise is subjective and means nothing.

You should write a letter to Toyota and tell them their 0W-20 is no good for driving 80mph in 90deg weather.

Notice how ridiculous thick oil bias statements here never get taken to task.




Too bad I dont need to write letter since they already put on their car manual...

The 20 in 0W-20 indicates the oil viscosity when the oil is at its operating temperature. An oil with a higher viscosity may be better suited if the vehicle is operated at high speeds, or under extreme load conditions

 

[Gokhan]

OP is asking if 0W-20 is thick enough for his Echo and other posters are debating it.

A better question: Is 0W-20 even thin enough for OP's Echo?

There is a reason why the 0W-16 grade is going to be in the shelves soon.

In fact, in my experience, I feel that the 85-Corolla engine runs better with 0W-20 when the oil temperature reaches the maximum. I am not saying that I will go grab the 0W-16 when Toyota starts selling it in a couple of years, but chances are that it's more than likely that most engines will do just fine with 0W-16 as well -- if not better.

It's not only the oil viscosity that matters -- oil quality greatly wears from brand to brand. TGMO 0W-20 SN has likely Group V alkylated naphthalene, which has a very high oil-film strength/thickness that helps greatly in the valvetrain and cylinders, which require high oil-film strength/thickness. That more than compensates for the normally lower oil-film strength/thickness of thinner oils.

 

[kr_bitog]

IMO, 0w-20 for winter is thin enough, but for hot summer IMO 0w-20 is too thin based on the 2 engines of 1NZ-FE ever owned.

It struck me the 0w-20 will reduce the noise when the ambient is very hot but the car will just lost torque, which does not happen with 30 weight oil. However for both application there is no top oil needed between OCI.