So when I drove to the dealership for some maintenance on my 2010 Genesis coupe, saw the beautiful new genesis, and of course, had to convince the dealership to let me test drive it. Initially, it felt just like the older version. Then, we got onto a highway ramp, I just had to let it go... I'm not even sure if someone could ever argue there's a better NA v6 on the road. The suspension felt a tad better on the car, and I really like the newer styling. The only downside is trying to find one! I really love these cars because they're so rare to see on the roads compared to other cars like Mustangs.
Test drove a 2013 Genesis Coupe 3.8 track
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Cool.
Still like 'em
Makes me wonder about the BRZ and FR-S.
For roughly the same price a a BRZ, you can get a 2.0T R-Spec. I'm fairly certain you'll notice the extra 74 hp in the Turbo Genesis Coupe.
oh! but the BRZ has a lower center of gravity and more balance ...
So did the dearly departed RX-8. It bested every other front engine rear drive car in handling but everyone complained about the power production and it had 40 odd more hp than the BRZ/FR-S.
Still like 'em
Makes me wonder about the BRZ and FR-S.
For roughly the same price a a BRZ, you can get a 2.0T R-Spec. I'm fairly certain you'll notice the extra 74 hp in the Turbo Genesis Coupe.
oh! but the BRZ has a lower center of gravity and more balance ...
So did the dearly departed RX-8. It bested every other front engine rear drive car in handling but everyone complained about the power production and it had 40 odd more hp than the BRZ/FR-S.
Based on all the reviews I've read it seems like the BRZ/FR-S give a more "pure" driving experience in terms of the shifter and steering feel as well, not to mention they're much lighter and smaller. The GC seems to compete more with the Mustang/G37 type GT car than the BRZ/FR-S lighter sports car segment.
I've wanted to drive a 3.8 GC but have only ever driven the 2.0T (first gen, ~210 hp) and I was fairly impressed. The new 3.8 seems like a stellar engine, but I can't abide by the fake nostrils they've put on the hood. I still like the first gen's styling better.
I've wanted to drive a 3.8 GC but have only ever driven the 2.0T (first gen, ~210 hp) and I was fairly impressed. The new 3.8 seems like a stellar engine, but I can't abide by the fake nostrils they've put on the hood. I still like the first gen's styling better.
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Cool.
Still like 'em
Makes me wonder about the BRZ and FR-S.
For roughly the same price a a BRZ, you can get a 2.0T R-Spec. I'm fairly certain you'll notice the extra 74 hp in the Turbo Genesis Coupe.
oh! but the BRZ has a lower center of gravity and more balance ...
So did the dearly departed RX-8. It bested every other front engine rear drive car in handling but everyone complained about the power production and it had 40 odd more hp than the BRZ/FR-S.
think they would have sold more if they said it had a Wankel engine than they did wit the rotary label??
wankel is more fun to say @ least.
"what you got under there?", "wankel"
Cool.
Still like 'em
Makes me wonder about the BRZ and FR-S.
For roughly the same price a a BRZ, you can get a 2.0T R-Spec. I'm fairly certain you'll notice the extra 74 hp in the Turbo Genesis Coupe.
oh! but the BRZ has a lower center of gravity and more balance ...
So did the dearly departed RX-8. It bested every other front engine rear drive car in handling but everyone complained about the power production and it had 40 odd more hp than the BRZ/FR-S.
think they would have sold more if they said it had a Wankel engine than they did wit the rotary label??
wankel is more fun to say @ least.
"what you got under there?", "wankel"
Think that Hyundai v6 was impressive?
Test Drive a Nissan 370z!
Test Drive a Nissan 370z!
I hope the 370z drives different than the 350z.
The 350z I test drove felt like a luxury powerplant. My dad still wants one, though.
To this day the best car I have ever driven is a C5 corvette, and they are cheap as dirt.
The 350z I test drove felt like a luxury powerplant. My dad still wants one, though.
To this day the best car I have ever driven is a C5 corvette, and they are cheap as dirt.
The 350z is a luxury car compared to the 370 (we have a ragtop). With some new pads the 370 is track ready on a cool day.
If it's hot outside it's not. Needs an oil cooler.
If it's hot outside it's not. Needs an oil cooler.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The 350z is a luxury car compared to the 370 (we have a ragtop). With some new pads the 370 is track ready on a cool day.
If it's hot outside it's not. Needs an oil cooler.
A friend of mine just got a 2012 (coupe, not convertible) and it's got an oil cooler. Not sure if it's because of the year or because it's got the sport package. He says the temp can still get up there though and the stock cooler doensn't have a great reputation. He hasn't tracked it at all.
The VQ37HR is quite a beast though. That car felt amazing on a test drive, even if I was just the passenger. At ~350 hp though the new Hyundai 3.8 should feel pretty strong .. it would be an interesting comparison.
The 350z is a luxury car compared to the 370 (we have a ragtop). With some new pads the 370 is track ready on a cool day.
If it's hot outside it's not. Needs an oil cooler.
A friend of mine just got a 2012 (coupe, not convertible) and it's got an oil cooler. Not sure if it's because of the year or because it's got the sport package. He says the temp can still get up there though and the stock cooler doensn't have a great reputation. He hasn't tracked it at all.
The VQ37HR is quite a beast though. That car felt amazing on a test drive, even if I was just the passenger. At ~350 hp though the new Hyundai 3.8 should feel pretty strong .. it would be an interesting comparison.
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
oh! but the BRZ has a lower center of gravity and more balance ...
So did the dearly departed RX-8. It bested every other front engine rear drive car in handling but everyone complained about the power production and it had 40 odd more hp than the BRZ/FR-S.
The real complaints people had about the Early RX-8 was gas consumption, oil consumption, flooding if the started and shut it off quickly on a cold day when the engine was ice cold, weak starters and batteries from the factory, and eventually early engine failure requiring replacement.
The thing I have to wonder is why not a single "comparo" happening in the review world ever mentions the RX-8, not even in passing. It's as if Toyota/Subaru has begged/demanded the magazine reviewers to not compare the two cars at all in print.
This large of a void, and no one has mentioned it at all just seems odd to me.
BC.
oh! but the BRZ has a lower center of gravity and more balance ...
So did the dearly departed RX-8. It bested every other front engine rear drive car in handling but everyone complained about the power production and it had 40 odd more hp than the BRZ/FR-S.
The real complaints people had about the Early RX-8 was gas consumption, oil consumption, flooding if the started and shut it off quickly on a cold day when the engine was ice cold, weak starters and batteries from the factory, and eventually early engine failure requiring replacement.
The thing I have to wonder is why not a single "comparo" happening in the review world ever mentions the RX-8, not even in passing. It's as if Toyota/Subaru has begged/demanded the magazine reviewers to not compare the two cars at all in print.
This large of a void, and no one has mentioned it at all just seems odd to me.
BC.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The 350z is a luxury car compared to the 370 (we have a ragtop). With some new pads the 370 is track ready on a cool day.
If it's hot outside it's not. Needs an oil cooler.
Which is INEXCUSABLE. When even the NISMO version needs the pads replaced because half a dozen hard stops literally MELT them, something is very wrong! Even the "race" pads are not adequate...if anything, they might be worse: they work OK when the get hot, right up until the point where the brakes abruptly fail. The brakes on the 370Z, even the NISMO edition, are just inadequate for track use. Even with the upgraded pads and ATE heavy-duty brake fluid (stock fluid boiled), the 370Z's brales just barely matched a BMW 3-series (not an M3, just a regular 335i), and were vastly inferior to a Corvette, a 911, or even a Boxster. Absolutely inexcusable. It's the NISsan MOtorsports version...it should be ready to run Sears Point or Watkins Glen right off the showroom floor!
The 350z is a luxury car compared to the 370 (we have a ragtop). With some new pads the 370 is track ready on a cool day.
If it's hot outside it's not. Needs an oil cooler.
Which is INEXCUSABLE. When even the NISMO version needs the pads replaced because half a dozen hard stops literally MELT them, something is very wrong! Even the "race" pads are not adequate...if anything, they might be worse: they work OK when the get hot, right up until the point where the brakes abruptly fail. The brakes on the 370Z, even the NISMO edition, are just inadequate for track use. Even with the upgraded pads and ATE heavy-duty brake fluid (stock fluid boiled), the 370Z's brales just barely matched a BMW 3-series (not an M3, just a regular 335i), and were vastly inferior to a Corvette, a 911, or even a Boxster. Absolutely inexcusable. It's the NISsan MOtorsports version...it should be ready to run Sears Point or Watkins Glen right off the showroom floor!
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
oh! but the BRZ has a lower center of gravity and more balance ...
So did the dearly departed RX-8. It bested every other front engine rear drive car in handling but everyone complained about the power production and it had 40 odd more hp than the BRZ/FR-S.
....
The thing I have to wonder is why not a single "comparo" happening in the review world ever mentions the RX-8, not even in passing. It's as if Toyota/Subaru has begged/demanded the magazine reviewers to not compare the two cars at all in print.
This large of a void, and no one has mentioned it at all just seems odd to me.
BC.
Good point!
They mention "lower center of gravity than a Porsche..." but nothing of the RX-8
Noooo, the RX-8 has a bigger backseat than a Lexus IS. You can't compare that to our car..."
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
oh! but the BRZ has a lower center of gravity and more balance ...
So did the dearly departed RX-8. It bested every other front engine rear drive car in handling but everyone complained about the power production and it had 40 odd more hp than the BRZ/FR-S.
....
The thing I have to wonder is why not a single "comparo" happening in the review world ever mentions the RX-8, not even in passing. It's as if Toyota/Subaru has begged/demanded the magazine reviewers to not compare the two cars at all in print.
This large of a void, and no one has mentioned it at all just seems odd to me.
BC.
They mention "lower center of gravity than a Porsche..." but nothing of the RX-8
Noooo, the RX-8 has a bigger backseat than a Lexus IS. You can't compare that to our car..."
I used to feel the same way BUT the bottom line is if you're going to the track, you need to prep any car for the track.
I agree Nissan could have done better, but To maintain a lower entry price, Nissan kept it strictly a street car.
P.S. Most guys I know will do a complete "Race Prep" (e.g. high temp fluids, mods, etc) for any car
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The 350z is a luxury car compared to the 370 (we have a ragtop). With some new pads the 370 is track ready on a cool day.
If it's hot outside it's not. Needs an oil cooler.
Which is INEXCUSABLE. When even the NISMO version needs the pads replaced because half a dozen hard stops literally MELT them, something is very wrong! Even the "race" pads are not adequate...if anything, they might be worse: they work OK when the get hot, right up until the point where the brakes abruptly fail. The brakes on the 370Z, even the NISMO edition, are just inadequate for track use. Even with the upgraded pads and ATE heavy-duty brake fluid (stock fluid boiled), the 370Z's brales just barely matched a BMW 3-series (not an M3, just a regular 335i), and were vastly inferior to a Corvette, a 911, or even a Boxster. Absolutely inexcusable. It's the NISsan MOtorsports version...it should be ready to run Sears Point or Watkins Glen right off the showroom floor!
I agree Nissan could have done better, but To maintain a lower entry price, Nissan kept it strictly a street car.
P.S. Most guys I know will do a complete "Race Prep" (e.g. high temp fluids, mods, etc) for any car
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The 350z is a luxury car compared to the 370 (we have a ragtop). With some new pads the 370 is track ready on a cool day.
If it's hot outside it's not. Needs an oil cooler.
Which is INEXCUSABLE. When even the NISMO version needs the pads replaced because half a dozen hard stops literally MELT them, something is very wrong! Even the "race" pads are not adequate...if anything, they might be worse: they work OK when the get hot, right up until the point where the brakes abruptly fail. The brakes on the 370Z, even the NISMO edition, are just inadequate for track use. Even with the upgraded pads and ATE heavy-duty brake fluid (stock fluid boiled), the 370Z's brales just barely matched a BMW 3-series (not an M3, just a regular 335i), and were vastly inferior to a Corvette, a 911, or even a Boxster. Absolutely inexcusable. It's the NISsan MOtorsports version...it should be ready to run Sears Point or Watkins Glen right off the showroom floor!
^^^Funny that I bought a full size luxury sedan and it works VERY competitively at the track right out of the box.
I also think it is an embarrassing glitch in Nissan's rep.
I also think it is an embarrassing glitch in Nissan's rep.
Cost Cutting at it's best...blasted Nissan!
Originally Posted By: ukmastermind
I used to feel the same way BUT the bottom line is if you're going to the track, you need to prep any car for the track.
I agree Nissan could have done better, but To maintain a lower entry price, Nissan kept it strictly a street car.
P.S. Most guys I know will do a complete "Race Prep" (e.g. high temp fluids, mods, etc) for any car
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The 350z is a luxury car compared to the 370 (we have a ragtop). With some new pads the 370 is track ready on a cool day.
If it's hot outside it's not. Needs an oil cooler.
Which is INEXCUSABLE. When even the NISMO version needs the pads replaced because half a dozen hard stops literally MELT them, something is very wrong! Even the "race" pads are not adequate...if anything, they might be worse: they work OK when the get hot, right up until the point where the brakes abruptly fail. The brakes on the 370Z, even the NISMO edition, are just inadequate for track use. Even with the upgraded pads and ATE heavy-duty brake fluid (stock fluid boiled), the 370Z's brales just barely matched a BMW 3-series (not an M3, just a regular 335i), and were vastly inferior to a Corvette, a 911, or even a Boxster. Absolutely inexcusable. It's the NISsan MOtorsports version...it should be ready to run Sears Point or Watkins Glen right off the showroom floor!
Please explain, in detail, EXACTLY what is required to open-track a Corvette Grand Sport, a BMW M3, a Mustang GT Boss 302, or even a Honda Civic Si beyond a helmet and appropriate safety clothing. The answer would be NOTHING. The Z needs major brake service just to not be a safety hazard on the track! That is absolutely unacceptable!
I used to feel the same way BUT the bottom line is if you're going to the track, you need to prep any car for the track.
I agree Nissan could have done better, but To maintain a lower entry price, Nissan kept it strictly a street car.
P.S. Most guys I know will do a complete "Race Prep" (e.g. high temp fluids, mods, etc) for any car
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The 350z is a luxury car compared to the 370 (we have a ragtop). With some new pads the 370 is track ready on a cool day.
If it's hot outside it's not. Needs an oil cooler.
Which is INEXCUSABLE. When even the NISMO version needs the pads replaced because half a dozen hard stops literally MELT them, something is very wrong! Even the "race" pads are not adequate...if anything, they might be worse: they work OK when the get hot, right up until the point where the brakes abruptly fail. The brakes on the 370Z, even the NISMO edition, are just inadequate for track use. Even with the upgraded pads and ATE heavy-duty brake fluid (stock fluid boiled), the 370Z's brales just barely matched a BMW 3-series (not an M3, just a regular 335i), and were vastly inferior to a Corvette, a 911, or even a Boxster. Absolutely inexcusable. It's the NISsan MOtorsports version...it should be ready to run Sears Point or Watkins Glen right off the showroom floor!
Please explain, in detail, EXACTLY what is required to open-track a Corvette Grand Sport, a BMW M3, a Mustang GT Boss 302, or even a Honda Civic Si beyond a helmet and appropriate safety clothing. The answer would be NOTHING. The Z needs major brake service just to not be a safety hazard on the track! That is absolutely unacceptable!
I had an 04 Titan, loved that truck but since we're talking about Nissan brakes, the brakes were horrible on that vehicle also. Unacceptable runout on the discs in 1500-2000 miles. Doesn't surprise me based on my experience that a sporty Nissan's brakes don't cut it either.
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