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This anti-whatever car or car company is ridiculous; even childish. If you don't like something, don't buy it.
By the way, Chinese products are America's problem. If you are rooting for BYD to overtake Tesla or whoever, what about the other car companies?

I prefer to buy American if possible. The closer to home the better.
I'm all for the USA so if your comments are directed at me, your wrong. I just don't like Tesla, Elon or how Elon does business. China sticking it to Elon and the US is a sad reality, which imo is getting worse. I'm hoping for change in November which might just take some wind out of China's sail, and help the US auto makers by easing up on ICE while we try to transition to electric.

FTR-I did like what Elon had to tell Disney's Bob Iger. Epic!! ;)
 
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I'm all for the USA so if your comments are directed at me, your wrong. I just don't like Tesla, Elon or how Elon does business. China sticking it to Elon and the US is a sad reality, which imo is getting worse. I'm hoping for change in November which might just take some wind out of China's sail, and help the US auto makers by easing up on ICE while we try to transition to electric.

FTR-I did like what Elon had to tell Disney's Bob Iger. Epic!! ;)
I have too much respect for you and others; if I were speaking directly to you I would at least have the respect to reply. Disagree or not.
 
Let's ignore BYD overtaking Tesla at the moment. I was shocked to just read this. (so when are we going to stop blaming Tesla's poor performance on factory upgrades like in the USA?)

"Sales of Tesla cars in Germany, home to its only European manufacturing plant, plunged a breathtaking 77% in December year-on-year according to government data, capping off a disastrous fourth quarter in its largest market in the region."
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"In fact, those four weeks proved so damaging they managed to wipe out the brand’s entire gains in Germany it had previously accumulated through November. This left Tesla nursing a 9% contraction in annual volumes even as the country’s electric car market itself expanded at an 11% rate in 2023. "


Source =
https://fortune.com/2024/01/05/tesla-elon-musk-byd-europe-sales-germany-uk/

Seems like maybe a paywall if you dont have Apple News but a search engine DuckDuckGO and Google show the headline

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Let's ignore BYD overtaking Tesla at the moment. I was shocked to just read this. (so when are we going to stop blaming Tesla's poor performance on factory upgrades like in the USA?)

"Sales of Tesla cars in Germany, home to its only European manufacturing plant, plunged a breathtaking 77% in December year-on-year according to government data, capping off a disastrous fourth quarter in its largest market in the region."
...

"In fact, those four weeks proved so damaging they managed to wipe out the brand’s entire gains in Germany it had previously accumulated through November. This left Tesla nursing a 9% contraction in annual volumes even as the country’s electric car market itself expanded at an 11% rate in 2023. "


Source =
https://fortune.com/2024/01/05/tesla-elon-musk-byd-europe-sales-germany-uk/


It isn't any one thing in my opinion.
Their reputation as unreliable is really catching up to them, the 'boss' is a clown, world economics, interest rates are up, and so many other choices are now available in the ev car market.

I would like to see an ev in my driveway someday, but not a snowballs chance in hell it will be a tesla, unless they can elon, increase reliability, build better looking cars, slash prices a lot more, build a repair depot closer to me, and make something cool to drive. Right now I would rank tesla as about the worst car builder in existence.
It would be good to see Honda and ford get serious about making ev cars, so far they have been missing the mark by a country mile.
 
Let's ignore BYD overtaking Tesla at the moment. I was shocked to just read this. (so when are we going to stop blaming Tesla's poor performance on factory upgrades like in the USA?)

"Sales of Tesla cars in Germany, home to its only European manufacturing plant, plunged a breathtaking 77% in December year-on-year according to government data, capping off a disastrous fourth quarter in its largest market in the region."
...

"In fact, those four weeks proved so damaging they managed to wipe out the brand’s entire gains in Germany it had previously accumulated through November. This left Tesla nursing a 9% contraction in annual volumes even as the country’s electric car market itself expanded at an 11% rate in 2023. "


Source =
https://fortune.com/2024/01/05/tesla-elon-musk-byd-europe-sales-germany-uk/

Seems like maybe a paywall if you dont have Apple News but a search engine DuckDuckGO and Google show the headline

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Didnt Germany eliminate all ev incentives in Dec?
 
It isn't any one thing in my opinion.
Their reputation as unreliable is really catching up to them, the 'boss' is a clown, world economics, interest rates are up, and so many other choices are now available in the ev car market.

I would like to see an ev in my driveway someday, but not a snowballs chance in hell it will be a tesla, unless they can elon, increase reliability, build better looking cars, slash prices a lot more, build a repair depot closer to me, and make something cool to drive. Right now I would rank tesla as about the worst car builder in existence.
It would be good to see Honda and ford get serious about making ev cars, so far they have been missing the mark by a country mile.
Besides cost for what you get my biggest problem with Tesla is for me personally? I see their cars as generic. Not bad but the same as let's say VW Beetle for example. Though I actually always liked the look of the Beetle being unique.
Tesla's are just blah to me, some old thing, year after year. Incapable of turning out anything new and exciting at better prices considering the cheap plastic interiors and rough ride of their cars.
Im not saying they are ugly, I am saying to me personally? They are just plain Jane looking for the price. They dont even do to great in ratings. Well guess what? The days of their crazy industry high mark ups are over and now they will need to compete in the coming years, not quite there yet but its coming and no stopping the competition, much like trying to stop a freight train.
 
Tesla competition ... I'm surprised it's not cheaper than the Tesla. Interior looks better IMO.

"The Seal RWD starts at 778,800 Mexican pesos, the equivalent of $45,270 at today's exchange rates, while the AWD starts at 888,800 MXN, or $51,670. . That makes it cheaper than the Model 3 in Mexico but more expensive than the Model 3 in the U.S."

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-byd-seal-electric-sedan-first-drive-review/
 
Rolloff isnt surprising with the juniper upgrade. The new car seems better in every way but top speed (on the non perf versions)

Lots of "buy now or wait" for juniper discussions online.

We'll see who wins the segment performance when the numbers come out.
 
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My opinion as to the possible cause of Tesla sales falling off a cliff.
As we sit on our side of the ocean, we are ignorant to life in Europe and the culture of Nordic Countries.
Tesla is head slamming the workers in that country in it its refusal to sign a workers agreement. To me, it seems to be spreading like wild fire, the arrogance of Tesla to deny workers what is a culturally accepted business practice with every working family in those countries.
Sympathy strikes spreading like wildfire against the obnoxious behavior of Tesla regarding the accepted way of doing business with its employees.
They take it like a slap in the face and if I am correct this is like, the first ever action taken by the unions over there. One must remember, most everyone over there and much of Europe belong to a union, do you think that maybe driving home in a brand new Tesla over there might currently be a NOT TO COOL THING?
Which would be seen possibly as supporting the disrespect for the way of life these people live.
This is my opinion, Im not debating but I am someone who tends to look in places many do not. Im not saying I am 100% correct and I honestly do not follow this situation but every time I read up on it, Tesla takes another hit, whether its in the courts of law regarding this issue or now, reading for the first time, something starting to go on in Germany. In fact I am getting annoyed as this is an American company.

If I was in one of those countries, I would be really angry, even if I wasnt in a union, many of my friends are and this seemingly obnoxious CEO of Tesla in the USA is going to dictate my way of life and that of my friends in our own country?
Next - keep an eye on Germany.

I took this quote from a writer in the WP
“If Tesla gives in to the unions around this ongoing dispute, it could create a growing brush fire in Europe that eventually gets to the UAW and U.S. in 2024,” said Dan Ives, a New York-based analyst with Wedbush Securities. “It’s an important lightning rod issue around unions globally.”

Source;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/29/tesla-strike-sweden-elon-musk/

Ahhhh... yes, Tesla is becoming well known as the "Anti-Union" company at a time when workers around the globe are getting fed up.
THe anti union is known fact. The rest are my thoughts.

Right or wrong, we all have to agree, there is the POTENTIAL for this to turn into a David and Goliath situation globally.
At the very LEAST it is a public relations nightmare and the competition is still gearing up cranking out EVs in every shape form and color. The situation is certain to swing some sales out of Tesla favor, how many? No one knows.

Never discount runaway mass media, nor companies fighting public opinion, remember the biggest selling lite beer, oh, I mean the lite beer that used to be the biggest selling beer. Wiped out in one day, yet, then, one of the largest successful department stores still ignored the warning and got hammered by the public and subsequent earnings report.

Whether I am right or wrong, it does show a major growing corporation (Tesla) as ignorant to the working class, the most successful companies selling a product long term become for lack of a better word friendly with the public and Tesla has put itself too high on a podium thinking it can do no wrong while the competition moves in. Most likely too late, unless they get rid of the CEO, kind of like what happened to the Disney empire they are going to need a HUGE change in public perception and I dont think Elon is capable.
 
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Elon musk is a very intelligent and talented man. But his over eccentric ego and having his hands in too many ventures is going to hurt the tesla brand. He wants to be involved in space, communications, social media, the ev market and even crypto. Whatever happened with Elon and bitcoin? He made a lot of people sore with that quick and short bitcoin Ponzi scheme. Its difficult to do one thing great when you’re all over the place.
 
Elon musk is a very intelligent and talented man. But his over eccentric ego and having his hands in too many ventures is going to hurt the tesla brand. He wants to be involved in space, communications, social media, the ev market and even crypto. Whatever happened with Elon and bitcoin? He made a lot of people sore with that quick and short bitcoin Ponzi scheme. Its difficult to do one thing great when you’re all over the place.

We can debate his intelligence, but one thing is certain...he's a very talented conman.
 
The federal government has extremely high expectations of drug use and testing for its contractors. Why is that Elon gets an rich person exception, and he is one of the highest beneficiary of government contracts? Easy, he gaslights everyone around him.

https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1
Elon isnt getting an exception. He has never tested positive for illegal drugs. 3 years of random drug tests by NASA = nothing
BTW- Space X is a private company but some federal contracts do contain clauses and you are correct on that but, read below, they never found any.

To repeat,
Elon Musk has never tested positive for drugs, so anything anyone says, including the WSJ means nothing.
So where is the story? There is no story. I mean, really, in this case, 3 years of drug tests and never a trace of anything in a wealthy person like him most likely puts him in the elite of non drug use. In his income class and ago he is most likely in saint status that they never found anything.;)

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-ceo-denies-drug-use-allegations-2024-1
 
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Elon musk is a very intelligent and talented man. But his over eccentric ego and having his hands in too many ventures is going to hurt the tesla brand. He wants to be involved in space, communications, social media, the ev market and even crypto. Whatever happened with Elon and bitcoin? He made a lot of people sore with that quick and short bitcoin Ponzi scheme. Its difficult to do one thing great when you’re all over the place.
I agree, he is all over the place and personally I think, now that Tesla is off the ground he is hurting the company more than helping.
But with that said, he owns his others companies, in Tesla he is just an employee, nothing more, hired by the Board of Directors at Tesla as CEO. He can be fired at any time, so clearly the Board who is elected by the shareholders feels he is well worth it to Tesla. (at the moment)
 
Elon isnt getting an exception. He has never tested positive for illegal drugs. 3 years of random drug tests by NASA = nothing
BTW- Space X is a private company but some federal contracts do contain clauses and you are correct on that but, read below, they never found any.

To repeat,
Elon Musk has never tested positive for drugs, so anything anyone says, including the WSJ means nothing.
So where is the story? There is no story. I mean, really, in this case, 3 years of drug tests and never a trace of anything in a wealthy person like him most likely puts him in the elite of non drug use. In his income class and ago he is most likely in saint status that they never found anything.;)

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-ceo-denies-drug-use-allegations-2024-1
“Elon Musk says”. Elon doesn’t always tell the truth. That is an established fact.
 
Looking at the Tesla ex-board member that WSJ obtained the information from, I'm not sure how credible the source is. She was the DEI hire who took over the family publishing business, then ran it into bankruptcy about the time she elected to not run again for the Tesla board. If she indeed did state that Musk's drug use was the reason for her not running again, I think she was being a bit disingenuous.
 
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