Tesla Q2 Deliveries crushes estimates

I do not see China parts as an issue. It is happening, and the trend is moving to Mexico.
I do see, however, the issue of him delivering data in order to preserve Tesla's status in China.
If Tesla wants to be successful long term, he has to go.

When it comes to data I don't see how one manufacturer differs from another?

A manufacturer can either deliver the data the governing body asks for or attempt to hold it back.

Lots of people believe Elon has to go, and Barra, and Farley, it's really common for people not to like or approve of the lndustry moguls.

If you were Tesla can could fire elon and pick any other auto industry leader, who would you choose ?
 
When it comes to data I don't see how one manufacturer differs from another?

A manufacturer can either deliver the data the governing body asks for or attempt to hold it back.

Lots of people believe Elon has to go, and Barra, and Farley, it's really common for people not to like or approve of the lndustry moguls.

If you were Tesla can could fire elon and pick any other auto industry leader, who would you choose ?
I am taking data from Twitter. That is why he is becoming a liability. He is supposed to stay away from that under any circumstances. But he could not help himself.
 
I am taking data from Twitter. That is why he is becoming a liability. He is supposed to stay away from that under any circumstances. But he could not help himself.

Whats that have to do with Tesla?

If the chinese want chinese data he should give it up.
 
Whats that have to do with Tesla?

If the chinese want chinese data he should give it up.
LOL, everything. Do you really think CCP will say: OK, this is Twitter, so that is the separate issue? That would be naive, at best.
And no, he should not give up data on dissidents etc., so that CCP can chase them around. That would be the most unAmerican thing ever, which, well, he does.
 
LOL, everything. Do you really think CCP will say: OK, this is Twitter, so that is the separate issue? That would be naive, at best.
And no, he should not give up data on dissidents etc., so that CCP can chase them around. That would be the most unAmerican thing ever, which, well, he does.

Trying to understand the allegation ..

Is it that he'll give all data to any company he runs to the chinese because they ask for it?

So if China demanded spaceX internal information he'd hand it over, or say American tesla, or twitter data?
 
Trying to understand the allegation ..

Is it that he'll give all data to any company he runs to the chinese because they ask for it?

So if China demanded spaceX internal information he'd hand it over, or say American tesla, or twitter data?
Twitter data is a known issue, not only with the Chinese. SpaceX, I really do not know, but I bet there are more constraints around that.
Nothing stops him from sharing data of Chinese dissidents with China. Legally it is OK, ethically? You figure.
There is no comparison here as no other car company is running social media, especially social media, that was a known platform for dissidents etc.
 
Twitter data is a known issue, not only with the Chinese. SpaceX, I really do not know, but I bet there are more constraints around that.
Nothing stops him from sharing data of Chinese dissidents with China. Legally it is OK, ethically? You figure.
There is no comparison here as no other car company is running social media, especially social media, that was a known platform for dissidents etc.

Im struggling with understanding how twitter is different than snap or facebook other than a guy that also owns a car company owns it?

Every country has its own data disclosure rules and governmental demands.

Every single country either steals or demands data from all online/social sources? Some countries censor everything.

Im not ok with it anywhere but it happens everywhere - like when the feds decend on apple and they roll over and give the data.

One can not reasonably expect digital protection anywhere in the world from prying authorities.
 
Im struggling with understanding how twitter is different than snap or facebook other than a guy that also owns a car company owns it?

Every country has its own data disclosure rules and governmental demands.

Every single country either steals or demands data from all online/social sources? Some countries censor everything.

Im not ok with it anywhere but it happens everywhere - like when the feds decend on apple and they roll over and give the data.

One can not reasonably expect digital protection anywhere in the world from prying authorities.
It is not different, but he is in a position where his other business, which really made him rich, and is his cash cow, is now dependent on a business that is in serious trouble and controlled basically by will of other governments, many not our friends.
It is image problem here, and it is becoming more of an issue.
On top of that, he really struggles there, so how does that affect his performance at Tesla in the long run?
He supposes to stay with tesla, but....
 
Sorry you do not, that is old. Look at the links I posted. Everything you post is your opinion of facts and data twisted to fit your narrative.
My narrative? Please. This thread is about Tesla deliveries for 2023 Q2. Others chose to take it all over the map for reasons of their own.
I tried to bring it back on track several times. I am surprised it is not locked.

While you are at it, perhaps chime in on my new thread about Honda brakes here. I believe you could offer some excellent content.
I would appreciate your thoughts.
 
It seems like TSLA agreed to price fixing in China. I caught the end of the news segment so I'm unable to quote it, the news is out. They signed an agreement to avoid abnormal pricing, so in effect they aren't going to low-ball the competition. In any event it should be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
It seems like TSLA agreed to price fixing in China. I caught the end of the news segment so I'm unable to quote it, the news is out. They signed an agreement to avoid abnormal pricing, so in effect they aren't going to low-ball the competition. In any event it should be interesting to see how this plays out.

Thats an interesting take totally devoid of actual context.

16 chinese companies at the behest of the chinese national development and reform commission (NDRC) asked for a truce to end a price war.

Tesla was the only American manufacturer invited.

Seems to me the chinese are afraid of actual competition so they mandate pricing to bolster local companies.
 
Thats an interesting take totally devoid of actual context.

16 chinese companies at the behest of the chinese national development and reform commission (NDRC) asked for a truce to end a price war.

Tesla was the only American manufacturer invited.

Seems to me the chinese are afraid of actual competition so they mandate pricing to bolster local companies.
In the US I believe it's price fixing, it fits the definition. I'm sure the Chinese are afraid, and Elon had to make some concessions.
 
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I assume that is with taxpayer subsidy and zero options. The taxpayer subsidies must come to a screeching halt, the sooner the better.
Musk is up to some tricks with this, like asking the chicoms to invest in the area.

https://insideevs.com/news/671244/tesla-asks-chinese-suppliers-mexico/

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/chinese-supplier-tesla-monterrey-factory/
My complaint is that Musk is one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen. He's repeatedly said that subsidies should go away. Great then Tesla can hand back the 6 plus Billion in Carbon offset credits they were given. I don't see Tesla turning those down. Many on here don't realize that the "gas subsidies " are really tax credits or or business expense write offs that many businesses have the ability to do. But Tesla was physically handed Billions because they were the only all-electric manufacturer.
 
Your sample size of one doesn't change the 466,000 units delivered just this quarter. Or that Tesla won first and second place for the 3 & Y models in 2021 for customer sactisfaction, and second and third place in 2022 with well over 7,000 EV owners participating in the J.D. Power EV customer satisfaction survey.
I've met many Tesla owners whose opinion on customer service is changing very quickly. Look at how Tesla is starting to treat their customers. When a number of Tesla owners had their steering wheels fall off this year and Teslas verbatim response was "That's not a defect " would make me really not want another one. Manufacturing issues happen ( never had a steering wheel fall off) but the first thing in customer service experience is to apologize and then go above and beyond expectations.
 
In the US I believe it's price fixing, it fits the definition. I'm sure the Chinese are afraid, and Elon had to make some concessions.

This would be illegal in the US, and in no way benefits the customer.
 
My complaint is that Musk is one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen. He's repeatedly said that subsidies should go away. Great then Tesla can hand back the 6 plus Billion in Carbon offset credits they were given. I don't see Tesla turning those down. Many on here don't realize that the "gas subsidies " are really tax credits or or business expense write offs that many businesses have the ability to do. But Tesla was physically handed Billions because they were the only all-electric manufacturer.

Call him what ever you want to - he was there and got the loot.

That money should have been GM's, and Fords, but they snoozed and gave it all away to a startup.

If GM had listened to their EV1 customers and kept up with it they probably wouldn't have gone bankrupt.
 
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Call him what ever you want to - he was there and got the loot.

That money should have been GM's, and Fords, but they snoozed and gave it all away to a startup.

If GM had listened to their EV1 customers and ket up with it they probably wouldn't have gone bankrupt.
If it wasn't for GM's ceo at the time who was "All in" on hydrogen which set them back by a decade then they'd have been much further along.
 
"Crushing it" is straight up propaghanda and fancy book-cooking. The hypocrisy is also hilarious, considering when Tesla "missed" by a similar % not long ago, the fanboys made all manner of excuses. But now a minor, and frankly poor, increase in demand considering the infancy of the product, is "crushing it." Um. NO.

GM sales were up 19% in Q2. Where's the thread on that, "Crushing it?"
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/07/gm-sales-figures-numbers-results-united-states-q2-2023/

Toyota and Ford were up 5% and 10% respectively? Also, "Crushing it?" What, no threads on that?

I've looked at Tesla business model and ran all manner of numbers in prior threads on this nonsense - and yes I'm more than qualified to do so - with open source (and often questionable figures - Tesla hides a lot of data very well). "Crushing it" would be doubling demand in a short term, and sending stock prices to all time highs. LOL. Far, far from these metrics.

The REALITY is the stock is STILL off 35% from the highs. So much for "more demand." Ample consumer articles that support the fact that demand is waning. It's much over-promising, under-delivering, and dis-satisfaction. Furthermore, considering the economic limitations (it's a product for the ultra wealthy), geographical limitations (most US cars are sold in a handful of warm climate states, the bulk being California), the customer profile (in addition to wealthy, it's generally people who have homes, can charge at home, and have short drives - think rich bored with short commutes and at least 1 gasoline vehicle), and the virtue signaling folks of the world. Most are going to have tax-payer subsidized solar panels we middle class pay for so the elites can brag about saving the Earth (which is a complete lie). One more example of the elites sticking it to the middle class, with the subsidized cars and solar panels living in the sunshine states ... But there's a FINITE number of people who fit that profile of wealthy virtue signaling folks who live in warm climates. And the subsidies will end at some point.

(PS OIL is subsidized because it is a multi-use product that is important for national defense, agriculture, shipping, construction, heavy machinery, lubrication, fighter jets, tanks, etc. The world would cease to function normally without oil. The world would do fine, without EVs.)

I doubt a single EV proponent here lives in an apartment or dormitory, or on a farm, or rural community with long drives, or relies on the EV as their only vehicle with a long commute in a cold weather state. No, EV owners are universally wealthy people who own a gas vehicle, house, with a garage and charging at home. And other universal characteristics.

I've said it before and will say it again, the current nationwide ownership is around 5%, heavily concentrated in a few California zip codes, followed by a handful of warm states. EV ownership will peak around 10%, again mostly in warm states with the above user profile, because it's simply not practical for every-day people to adopt them.

They make great little mopeds, golf carts, and small cars that require short ranges. Considering the infrastructure is decades away and last year I believe 8 of the top 10 selling vehicles were truck platforms and SUVs, EVs are simply not going to be widely adopted by Americans in the near term.

Futhermore, the shams are being exposed gradually but publically, the climate nonsense, the batteries, the solar panels, wind mills, etc. are all big boondoggles of over-promising but in reality a net loss for the environment at this state. All manner of corruption, kickbacks, stock front running schemes by dirty people in public and private sectors with much power and influence.

The other big auto makers struggle to make profits on EVs, which tells me that this is more about BRAND (Tesla) and STATUS, and other superficial nonsense, than much else.
 
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