Yokohama doesn't seem top tier like someone suggested.
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Tesla Model 3 vs BMW M3 video
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Yokohama doesn't seem top tier like someone suggested.
Link to the FL ev6s?
edyvw
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You obviously never drove M3. Just bcs. suspension is good on track doesn’t mean it is bad on street. The M3 was always benchmark precisely because of that.
Numerous cars last 40 years were in Tesla’s position: AMG, Infinity, Lexus IS-F etc. “Is this vehicle that will finally take on M3?” We have seen this movie play repeatedly.
These tests are funny. Because it tells you about test. Tgey also told you to buy GR86 for track, but they forgot to tell you to buy extra rod bearings that get destroyed on track. Tests are just glimps. They were always fascinated by BMW N63 engine, but they forget to tell people what hot V8 is and what reliability problems has. Etc.
And iPad is still the crap. And yes it needs HUD as pointed above.
The M3P is an excellent daily. So easy to drive. No expensive services, no down time in comparison.
According to the video, the BMW suspension has very little benefit on the track and is worse as a daily driver. It is not bad, just not as good.
The M3P is simply a better car for all but a very small use case.
The Tesla tablet interface is not for everyone. At the very least, it takes getting used to. But I can tell you I do not miss traditional gauges, stalks, dials and buttons one bit.
According to the video, the BMW suspension has very little benefit on the track and is worse as a daily driver. It is not bad, just not as good.
The M3P is simply a better car for all but a very small use case.
The Tesla tablet interface is not for everyone. At the very least, it takes getting used to. But I can tell you I do not miss traditional gauges, stalks, dials and buttons one bit.
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Of course I haven't driven this current generation of M3. I didn't cross shop it. I can't afford an $80k car!
That car, as tested, was far more than $80K. Probably well over $110K.
An $80K M3 would be annihilated by the $55K M3P.
I used to say that, and for many I'm sure that's true. The car is different.
My biggest complaint is the lack of blind spot detection in the side mirrors; once you've had it you love it.
The Highland now has a little red LED in the speaker grille; pretty worthless in my experience. I was disappointed.
Now the tablet displays far more, but IMO is a poor substitute for the lack of blind spot detection mirrors.
An OTA update has greatly improved the awareness; if you blink the side of the tablet lights up red when another vehicle is near.
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JHZR2
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I’d take either of those over a new m3 or Tesla 3.
The OP video is neat, begs the question which would I rather own now and in 20 years? M3 is the answer for both.
But I’d probably take the Tesla as a driving appliance.
edyvw
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I don’t plan to buy Tesla, but I still drove them.
Absolutely. I'm just saying on the low end of the spectrum for M3s. I can think of a few things I'd buy for $110k over the M3 just on driving engagement alone and I wouldn't be daily driving it.
I'm sure many would say that. I used to drool over all the beautiful BMWs in our parking lot and German cars in general. I wanted one so bad but I had more important things to spend my money on.
No longer. The M3P is that good. And at $55 large, it is a flat out bargain in comparison. Rides better, steers better and fuels up at home. Add in cost of ownership and the BMW is one expensive car. I've heard dealership oil changes can be pretty steep!
BMW is a legendary company, period. I would suggest that if one did an objective analysis, the M3 pales in comparison to the MP3.
In 20 years the M3 would be pretty stale. The MP3 would be a far more advanced vehicle due to its tech based architecture. You "get a new car" every OTA update.
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I make a point to not waste my time or the sales person's time driving a car I have no intention of buying. Then again with Tesla you're not doing any of that. Scheduling a test drive doesn't mean anything to someone at a service center. They're not the one selling the car. If it had been in my price range I would have strongly considered it. I looked at the Acura Integra Type S, Golf R, GTI, and while I didn't get to drive one I also considered the Civic Type R. I had a mild facination with the Hyundai Elantra N. These are cars in the price range of the Tesla once all credits are in place and it isn't the most expensive in this grouping of cars. The Integra Type S is the same price before the tax credit. BMW is not in the picture. Heck, every single one of these cars don't have the power the Tesla has.
AWD won. I really screwed up going to FWD this last time with the nature of my job. I would have considered the Golf R more strongly if there were financing incentives and I would have still paid more OTD for the car by $5k because of the $4,300 off that Tesla gave me. Then again we're talking about the Model Y Performance in my case. Even then the Model 3 Performance would have slightly edged out the Golf R with incentives even though there aren't other discounts on them, but I didn't want to lose the hatchback. The only other EV I really would have considered would have been the Hyundai Ioniq 5N, but it's $70k and I don't want to be in that price point.
I'm not saying the M3 isn't an amazing car, it's price takes it out of any consideration and as a daily driver I'm not convinced it's giving me anything as a benefit over the Tesla as a daily. Yes, I'm very aware of the fun of pops and bangs and stupid noise. It's a lot of fun, but I'm not sure that's worth $50k+ more when we all know I'm not going to track either car.
The M3 driving engagement offers nothing over the M3P according to this video.
For me it's without question the Lotus Emira V6. I don't think you're beating the M3P in sedan form at this price point anyway if it stands up to the M3 this well. Time to go dedicated sports car at that level. I just don't see what's so special about $100k daily drivers. They're going to get miles, they'll gain some wear no matter how well they're cared for. It's not possible to not just drive the value out of it. If it's kept low miles and rarely driven, sure. If that's the case then why buy a 4 door car in the first place?
I guess I'm just not at the income level to understand burning money on expensive renditions of cars that possibly offer an incremental step up for twice the money just to park it out in the elements for 2 days at a time when I'm at work.
JHZR2
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Yeah we’ve heard the schpiel over and over. And I’m not a Musk or Tesla hater. And the model 3 is an impressive car.
But in 20 years the M3P will be recycled at least once over. Look at the market for used BMW M3s - perpetually strong. And regardless, the ICE will still be functional. Like it or not, a 20yo Li-ion battery is a fire hazard. And all that supposed maintenance savings is moot when Tesla has to swap the battery, if they can even do it.
Nobody can argue that full torque at zero rpm is useful, and even fun. Locomotives and electric drive ships have known that for over half a century. So you’re not telling us anything we don’t know there.
In 2044, I’d buy a 2024 M3, No way would I buy a 2024 Tesla model 3. It can’t be said any simpler than that. I couldn’t care less about obsolescence or what you might think will be better in terms of improvements. I still happily drive 72hp cars on “scary” roads. Beyond a point the laws of physics and safety come into play.
The M3 would be pretty beat as well, right? IMO, neither car would be worth much.
It is not what I think about obsolescence or improvements; it is the reality of both. Improvements are good.
At the risk of being presumptive, it's possible your opinion has to do with the legendary BMW history. Apologies if this isn't accurate.
It's perfectly fair that you prefer the M3; I get that. But that does not make it a better car.
I think it's great you like your MBZ. I have 2 almost 60 year old cars and a 20-something year old pickup. But your beloved MBZ would not be preferred by the general public, same as my old cars. We are in a small minority.
All good...
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edyvw
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My 8 year old claims that Microsoft simulator as same as real flying.
edyvw
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People who track vehicles are constantly on the lookout for cars that can survive constant beating and keep doing it.
Two most common vehicles? Mazda Miata and 3 series. You won’t find Lexus, Toyota and especially Tesla.
So yeah, in 20 years there will be slew of people looking for fun car and buying used M3. M3P? It will be like GTA video game from 2008.
+1 FTR I'm once again liking Elon, I flip flop on that. Tesla OTOH, my view on them remains exactly the same. No thanks! Now lets see if I had to choose between a BMW, or a Tesla. BMW, it took me a millisecond to make that choice, and I'm not a BMW fan by any stretch of the imagination.
I've said the M3, especially in the video's configuration is a better track car. That does not make it a better car.
Completely different use cases.
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