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Originally posted by needtoknow:
Motorguy222, I would rather be assured by our government doing their job as they should have been prior to 911. Notice no one was fired so it gives me great comfort to know that the same people are there. Unless the warnings say stay home in order to be safe what good are they. These are national warnings, it's a big country, so who does what and when? Do we all look under bushes (no pun) before going to work? Terror warnings don't make us safe, people doing the job they are getting paid to do will. Also a different foreign policy and attitude will keep us safer. But no, war will solve everything, and besides it makes us feel strong.
Here's an interesting web site that might shed some light on these terror warnings and the reason we invaded Iraq.

http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/


I hope there isn't anybody here stupid enough to take this post seriously. Where was Tom Ridge and Richard Clarke before 911 and where are they now? To believe the same people are in charge now as then is stupid.

Warning may not themselves make us safer, but the increased precautions the authorities are taking should help. The terrorists may even cancel plans knowing we are on to them. If you have any facts to support your position, they might be much more effective than lies only stupid people wouldn't see through.
 
I feel sorry for the people in big cities. Who here really believes there even would be a specific warning of an imminent attack? Take LA, which is gridlocked anyway. Where are millions of people to go on short notice? Better sit it out with plastic wrap and duct tape around your house.
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Believe you have to take serious everything you said. Take personal precautions and remember that it's better to rely on yourself only. After 2-3 explosions in Moscow that took places on the eve and the next day of my visit to these corners I don't feel comfortable, especially in the subway. Now, when travelling, I avoid the metro and crowded places and pay attention to people around, especially of non slavic appearance: whether or not there is something strange in their behaviour. More than strange when US and UK authorities recognize that Chechnya serves a base for all kind of terrorists, including Al Qaeda, but at the same time give a refuge to their leaders.
 
needtoknow said:
"Also a different foreign policy and attitude will keep us safer."

We had,a as you call it,a different foreign policy under Clinton,a ship received a huge hole in it and how many killed?,Do you remember that kneedtoknoe.
We had 8 years of Clinton,his policies gave the terrorists a perfect opportunity to make their attack plans.Yep,we need a different foreign policy alright.

We have one now and Bush is going after those that started this war.


needtoknow also said:" 100's killed, 1000's wounded, remember the Pete Seeger song "Big Muddy"

needtoknow,Remember the Tragedy of 9-11?
How many were hurt and or killed on that day?

We had only been 18 months into Bush's Presidency,the policies had not changed that munch from Clinton policies of 8 years,yet,the US was attacked.

Once again,we have a policy change and Bush is doing what Clinton should have done during his 8 years.
I guess Clinton was unable to do these things,it interfered with his dating and 'Social Life'.

needtoknow,your remarks have only 'PROVEN' the points that I made.You know that I am right and that what I said is true,however,you had rather complain about things than admit the truth.
kneedtoknow,you and I both know that if a Democrat was in office now (instead of the 8 years that the plans were made in under Clinton) and used the alert system,you would not be saying a thing.Once again,I know its true and so do you.
needtoknow,you can say otherwise but we have read enough of your posts to know different.
 
Business travel sometimes takes me to Israel, including Jaffa Road in Jerusalem (site of many bombings), Tel Aviv, and Haifa. I am an occasional subcontractor to a major US consulting firm.

I also used to go through the World Trade Center, before 9-11, about once a month.

You cannot run around in constant fear of what may happen. Rather, you take the information and use it to improve the odds.

For example, about 4 years ago, when starting an engagement in Jerusalem, arrangements had been made for me to stay at the hotel closest to my employer's Jerusalem office. The hotel was a high rise cylindrical profile hotel, with a big sign on top for an American hotel chain. In the center of the hotel was a single bank of elevators and the emergency stairs. There was no other way down. The driveway up to the hotel had no particular security, and a pick up truck or SUV type vehicle could easily gone up the three steps from the driveway to the lobby, crashed through the glass doors, and be blown up in the lobby. I changed hotels after one night to one that was lower and more spread out with numerous exit paths.

One day, on the way to a Jerusalem meeting, we were stuck in a traffic jam on Jaffa Road, at lunch time, directly in front of the Szabos (spelling?) Pizzeria that had been blown up TWICE at lunch hour by suicide bombers. I pointed this out to a US business visitor in the cab with me. He got so upset he got out of the cab, said he was going to walk down the road two blocks, and he would rejoin us.

When over there, I avoid obvious risk situations. I will not ride an Israeli bus.

The people over there deal with all of this very pragmatically. They point out to me that no place is 100% safe, but in Israel, many times more people are killed in traffic accidents than by terrorists, and therefore they put the risk into perspective.

Maybe we should do the same here. We should be aware of the risks, take prudent avoidance measures, but not let ourselves to be panicked into a frenzy.
 
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needtoknow,Remember the Tragedy of 9-11?
How many were hurt and or killed on that day?

We had only been 18 months into Bush's Presidency,the policies had not changed that munch from Clinton policies of 8 years,yet,the US was attacked.

Actually at that time we were only about 8 months into Bush's Presidency.
 
needtoknow,lets take a look at what is REALLY going on in the Middle East.This is a good read for everyone.

http://www.gcc.edu/news/faculty/editorials/tilford_iran_07_19_04.htm

Iran and World War IV
By Dr. Earl Tilford

7-19-04

The word “crusade” long ago became anathema to the politically correct. Nevertheless, America’s most successful wars were crusades fought against demonstrably evil foes to right blatant wrongs. The American Civil War, World Wars I and II and the Cold War (World War III) truly were crusades. So is World War IV.

Most Americans remain blithely oblivious to the true nature of this war. Indeed, a sizeable number think the fighting in Iraq constitutes a war distinct from the global war with al Qaeda, affiliated terrorist groups and supportive regimes...like Iran. The Michael Moores among the liberal elite believe the “War on Terror” is a case of America the behemoth bullying Arabs to get petroleum. More extreme nutcases blather about a Bush cabal making war to spread Christianity throughout the Islamic world.

The United States is at war globally against an enemy determined to destroy Western Civilization based on institutions grounded in Judeo-Christian concepts like human dignity and political, economic and religious freedom. Victory demands a winning strategy. Clearly defined policy goals define and determine strategy. It is vital to know who we fight, why, and the strategic objectives.

In his 2002 State of the Union Address, President George W. Bush made Iran part of an Axis of Evil with North Korea and Saddam’s Iraq. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright immediately dubbed Bush’s remarks, “A big mistake.” Europeans winced, congressional liberals blanched and the intellectual elite scoffed. Then, in July 2004, the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence confirmed Bush’s earlier characterization of Iran. It seems President Bush knew the enemy all along.

Iran also knows its enemies: the United States (the Great Satan) and Israel (the Little Satan). A quarter century ago, in November 1979, Iran went to war with the United States when the mullahs dispatched militant students to take over the US Embassy in Tehran. In 1982, Iran established Hezbollah in Lebanon which has since attacked Israel from camps along the border and with terrorists dispatched from the Palestinian West Bank. Additionally, Iranian Intelligence directs Hezbollah cells in Europe, South America, Asia, Canada and the United States.

Under the alias “Islamic Jihad,” Hezbollah bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut in April 1983 and, in October, sent a truck bomb into the Beirut U.S. Marine Barracks killing 220 Marines, 18 Navy and three U.S. Army personnel. The following April, Islamic-Jihad-cum-Hezbollah terrorists planted a bomb in a disco in Torrejon, Spain killing eighteen US soldiers. Shifting its attacks back to the Little Satan, over the next decade Hezbollah rockets fired from southern Lebanon killed hundreds of Israelis. Today Hezbollah joins with Hamas and Yasir Arafat’s al Fatah and the al Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade to send suicide bombers into Israel while Hezbollah jihadists battle American and Coalition forces in Iraq.

Iran is a formidable enemy. In June the Iranian government of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei sponsored a conference in Tehran at which mullahs called for an “Army of Martyrs”—Islamic kamikazes—to attack U.S. interests around the world. The conference concluded with a Revolutionary Guard official declaring, “If Muslims create fear in the heathen world, this fear is sacred.” The following Friday, calls went out from mosques across Iran urging volunteers for the Army of Martyrs. Jihad is a crusade by another name.

With the United Nations on Tehran’s case, the only reasonable hope for preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons rests with the Israeli Air Force. Absent an Israeli preemptive strike, when the mullahs get the bomb they will expand Iran’s two-front war from attacks on Israel and on coalition forces in Iraq. They will intimidate and then destabilize moderate and pro-Western Arab regimes, especially those which host American bases. Meanwhile, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei will make good his promise “to harm America around the world” by unleashing Iran’s Army of Martyrs.

Regime change in Iraq is a key to this strategic paradigm. If the United States hangs tough to consummate President Bush’s visionary strategy for Iraqi democratization, the mullahs in Iran will come under increasing pressure.

Despite Iran’s terrorism and ongoing war with Israel and the United States, Ayatollah Khamenei’s dictatorship is failing. His regime violates human rights massively, the economy is in shambles, drug use and street crime are rampant. Families and interests close to the regime enrich themselves while others suffer.

The mullahs know President Bush will stand firm and that if a democratic regime takes hold in Iraq they could be in trouble from internal elements yearning for democratic reform. That is why, at Iran’s behest, Hezbollah will increase its attacks in Iraq, ratcheting up the body count prior to the November elections. Terrorist attacks against Israel will continue in hopes of prompting those Israeli counter-attacks sure to bring U.N. condemnations and elicit whining from squishy American liberal groups quick to condemn Israel but reluctant to speak out against Iranian and Palestinian terrorism.

Political correctness notwithstanding, World War IV is a crusade we must win.


Dr.Earl Tilford is a professor of history at Grove City College and he is a fellow with The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. He enjoyed an extensive military career and after retiring from the U.S. Air Force, served as an associate professor of history at Troy State University in Montgomery and professor of military history at the U.S. Air Force Air Command and Staff College. In 1993 he became director of research at the U.S. Army's Strategic Studies Institute in Carlisle, Pa., where he worked on a project that looked at possible future terrorist threats. He has authored three books on the Vietnam War and co-edited a book on Operation Desert Storm. He has lectured throughout the U.S. and abroad on the Vietnam War and, more recently, the future of armed conflict.


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Bush became President in Jan. 2000,the attacks were in Sept. 2001.
 
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Originally posted by keith:


That fool Bush gave his inauguration address one year late! Keith. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Keith,I had my dates wrong,calm down.In my date confusion,I inadvertently thought that Bush came into office in 2000,however,he won the office in 2000 and was sworn in 2001,my bad.
I used to somewhat align myself with you,however,your attitude has caused me to reconsider such.
I am one of those persons that dislikes being talked down to very much.
If you want to state a fact or an opinion,that is fine but don't do it a way that is demeaning.
I had my dates wrong,are you perfect? I am not and I know that you are not either.
Maybe me getting the dates confused was a crime on my part,terrible me.
I am the kind of person that is quite straightforward in my posts and stand for what I believe in,however,I don't talk to people as if they are stupid or unintelligent.

MAJA,please accept my apology for being wrong about Bush's time in office.I had my dates wrong.I don't know what I was thinking.
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[ August 09, 2004, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: motorguy222 ]
 
It is too bad Motorguy222's great post was over shadowed by his slip up on the date. Bush really didn't have much time to do anything before 911 especially with the rule or ruin Democrats in the senate holding up all his appointments.
 
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Originally posted by keith:


That fool Bush gave his inauguration address one year late! Keith.


Keith,I had my dates wrong,calm down.[/QB][/QUOTE]


No offence intended, just a little Bush humor our left leaning friends would enjoy
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Keith.
 
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