I had a 71 Valiant with a 318. Last Chrysler product I ever bought.
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Originally Posted By: labman
I had a 71 Valiant with a 318. Last Chrysler product I ever bought.
It amazes me that Chrysler is still in business with all the poor quality cars they built threw the years..Most people that buy one never buy another one.
I had a 71 Valiant with a 318. Last Chrysler product I ever bought.
It amazes me that Chrysler is still in business with all the poor quality cars they built threw the years..Most people that buy one never buy another one.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
W Up until the mid 80's though, the 318's would generally still out run a 350 Impala or a 351 Crown Vic. Remember, these cars evolved from the once "compact" Volare/Aspen.
Difference being of course you can do heads/cam/intake on either of the two aforementioned engines for a couple thousand bucks and be able to REALLY haul the mail. Both the SBF and the SBC have a massive aftermarket, whilst the 318.... Well it doesn't.
Oh, yeah no question about the aftermarket iprovements. I was just talking stock police package vehicles. In the Early 80's, the Impala, LTD Crown Vic, and the Diplomat/Fury were all slow as dirt with even with police packages. However, the little 318 in the little M-body still usually turned in the best overall performance/price combo during this era (which is why Dodge outsold Ford and Chev in the police market). By the mid to late 80's Chev overtook the police market with the Caprice when it increased it's performance to a level that outran Dodge and Ford.
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
W Up until the mid 80's though, the 318's would generally still out run a 350 Impala or a 351 Crown Vic. Remember, these cars evolved from the once "compact" Volare/Aspen.
Difference being of course you can do heads/cam/intake on either of the two aforementioned engines for a couple thousand bucks and be able to REALLY haul the mail. Both the SBF and the SBC have a massive aftermarket, whilst the 318.... Well it doesn't.
Oh, yeah no question about the aftermarket iprovements. I was just talking stock police package vehicles. In the Early 80's, the Impala, LTD Crown Vic, and the Diplomat/Fury were all slow as dirt with even with police packages. However, the little 318 in the little M-body still usually turned in the best overall performance/price combo during this era (which is why Dodge outsold Ford and Chev in the police market). By the mid to late 80's Chev overtook the police market with the Caprice when it increased it's performance to a level that outran Dodge and Ford.
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
W Up until the mid 80's though, the 318's would generally still out run a 350 Impala or a 351 Crown Vic. Remember, these cars evolved from the once "compact" Volare/Aspen.
Difference being of course you can do heads/cam/intake on either of the two aforementioned engines for a couple thousand bucks and be able to REALLY haul the mail. Both the SBF and the SBC have a massive aftermarket, whilst the 318.... Well it doesn't.
Oh, yeah no question about the aftermarket iprovements. I was just talking stock police package vehicles. In the Early 80's, the Impala, LTD Crown Vic, and the Diplomat/Fury were all slow as dirt with even with police packages. However, the little 318 in the little M-body still usually turned in the best overall performance/price combo during this era (which is why Dodge outsold Ford and Chev in the police market). By the mid to late 80's Chev overtook the police market with the Caprice when it increased it's performance to a level that outran Dodge and Ford.
or maybe it had something to do w/ the gov't bailout agreement. for a long time the only ones who bought dodge P/U's were the forestry service. I would suspect that they made the police cars available for dirt cheap.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
W Up until the mid 80's though, the 318's would generally still out run a 350 Impala or a 351 Crown Vic. Remember, these cars evolved from the once "compact" Volare/Aspen.
Difference being of course you can do heads/cam/intake on either of the two aforementioned engines for a couple thousand bucks and be able to REALLY haul the mail. Both the SBF and the SBC have a massive aftermarket, whilst the 318.... Well it doesn't.
Oh, yeah no question about the aftermarket iprovements. I was just talking stock police package vehicles. In the Early 80's, the Impala, LTD Crown Vic, and the Diplomat/Fury were all slow as dirt with even with police packages. However, the little 318 in the little M-body still usually turned in the best overall performance/price combo during this era (which is why Dodge outsold Ford and Chev in the police market). By the mid to late 80's Chev overtook the police market with the Caprice when it increased it's performance to a level that outran Dodge and Ford.
or maybe it had something to do w/ the gov't bailout agreement. for a long time the only ones who bought dodge P/U's were the forestry service. I would suspect that they made the police cars available for dirt cheap.
$1000? I would buy it in a minute if it ran ok and no major issues.
retro fit with a manifold and carb from a 60s 318. Keep it nice and sell it next spring when you start seeing old cars and hot rods on the road. This car is the last gasp of the Dodge Dart/ Plymouth Valiant
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Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
W Up until the mid 80's though, the 318's would generally still out run a 350 Impala or a 351 Crown Vic. Remember, these cars evolved from the once "compact" Volare/Aspen.
Difference being of course you can do heads/cam/intake on either of the two aforementioned engines for a couple thousand bucks and be able to REALLY haul the mail. Both the SBF and the SBC have a massive aftermarket, whilst the 318.... Well it doesn't.
Oh, yeah no question about the aftermarket iprovements. I was just talking stock police package vehicles. In the Early 80's, the Impala, LTD Crown Vic, and the Diplomat/Fury were all slow as dirt with even with police packages. However, the little 318 in the little M-body still usually turned in the best overall performance/price combo during this era (which is why Dodge outsold Ford and Chev in the police market). By the mid to late 80's Chev overtook the police market with the Caprice when it increased it's performance to a level that outran Dodge and Ford.
For sure, the 80's 351W was an absolute turd (of course so was the 350 and the 305). The (87+) 302HO would run circles around it.
Days gone by eh?
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Oldswagon
W Up until the mid 80's though, the 318's would generally still out run a 350 Impala or a 351 Crown Vic. Remember, these cars evolved from the once "compact" Volare/Aspen.
Difference being of course you can do heads/cam/intake on either of the two aforementioned engines for a couple thousand bucks and be able to REALLY haul the mail. Both the SBF and the SBC have a massive aftermarket, whilst the 318.... Well it doesn't.
Oh, yeah no question about the aftermarket iprovements. I was just talking stock police package vehicles. In the Early 80's, the Impala, LTD Crown Vic, and the Diplomat/Fury were all slow as dirt with even with police packages. However, the little 318 in the little M-body still usually turned in the best overall performance/price combo during this era (which is why Dodge outsold Ford and Chev in the police market). By the mid to late 80's Chev overtook the police market with the Caprice when it increased it's performance to a level that outran Dodge and Ford.
For sure, the 80's 351W was an absolute turd (of course so was the 350 and the 305). The (87+) 302HO would run circles around it.
Days gone by eh?
I am sure a Comp Energy cam, 4 barrel, intake manifold and the disappearance of emissions controls and lean burn would really wake up that little motor.
Another good thing is the car only weighs about 3,400 pounds.
Another good thing is the car only weighs about 3,400 pounds.
I am not very knowledgable on Dodge engines, but wasn't the 440 a pretty hot engine, though not a HEMI?
BUt yeah, best bet is to hop up the 318. As I recall the 318 is bulletproof. Maybe a supercharger?
BUt yeah, best bet is to hop up the 318. As I recall the 318 is bulletproof. Maybe a supercharger?
Haw, you can sure tell the guys who DON'T own a new-gen Hemi. Who cares what they name it? If you held every carmaker to the same standard all you could buy would be an old Chevrolet!
The 440 was a much better stoplight drag race motor than a old school 426 Hemi. Way more torque down low and still good hp on the top.
The new gen 5.7 and 6.1 are awesome engines. Drive one sometime. My car weighs 4340 pounds and runs a 12.89 at 111 mph BONE STOCK! While rated at 425 hp it actually makes quite a bit more. Not too bad for a "not"-Hemi.
Put a tuned 6.1 into an old Dart and it would be FASTER than the old school motor!
The 440 was a much better stoplight drag race motor than a old school 426 Hemi. Way more torque down low and still good hp on the top.
The new gen 5.7 and 6.1 are awesome engines. Drive one sometime. My car weighs 4340 pounds and runs a 12.89 at 111 mph BONE STOCK! While rated at 425 hp it actually makes quite a bit more. Not too bad for a "not"-Hemi.
Put a tuned 6.1 into an old Dart and it would be FASTER than the old school motor!
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Haw, you can sure tell the guys who DON'T own a new-gen Hemi.
Nope, never owned a MOPAR vehicle. We have owned a few Chrysler engines over the years though, primarily marine stuff.
1972 440 in a 1972 Century Coronado
1940's straight-8 in a Chris-Craft cabin cruiser
1930's straight-6
1940's straight-6
35HP Chrysler Outboard
2x "Fury 190" 318's, one fitted to a 1947 Minette Shields Ventnor
All great engines.
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Who cares what they name it?
The name denotes hemispherical chambers. It doesn't have them. That is the issue people have with the name.
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If you held every carmaker to the same standard all you could buy would be an old Chevrolet!
Please explain this.
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The 440 was a much better stoplight drag race motor than a old school 426 Hemi. Way more torque down low and still good hp on the top.
In the 1960's, with both engines stock, sure. The 426 had the capability to make VASTLY more power though due the superior heads.
The 426 and the BOSS 429 were the two engines that caused the hemispherical chamber to be banned from NASCAR and caused a re-write of the rulebook. Nothing GM made even came close.
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The new gen 5.7 and 6.1 are awesome engines.
I don't believe anybody is saying they aren't great engines? Just that they have been named due to the popularity of the NAME, not the fact that the engine has hemispherical chambers. Because it doesn't.
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Drive one sometime. My car weighs 4340 pounds and runs a 12.89 at 111 mph BONE STOCK! While rated at 425 hp it actually makes quite a bit more. Not too bad for a "not"-Hemi.
Not too bad for anything of that displacement. Stock 'vette's are stupid-fast too, as are Vipers, and neither of which claim to have a "HEMI" under the hood.
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Put a tuned 6.1 into an old Dart and it would be FASTER than the old school motor!
Yeah, unless you did some work to the old school engine. Anything can be made faster. The 426 was an engine with ridiculous potential.
Haw, you can sure tell the guys who DON'T own a new-gen Hemi.
Nope, never owned a MOPAR vehicle. We have owned a few Chrysler engines over the years though, primarily marine stuff.
1972 440 in a 1972 Century Coronado
1940's straight-8 in a Chris-Craft cabin cruiser
1930's straight-6
1940's straight-6
35HP Chrysler Outboard
2x "Fury 190" 318's, one fitted to a 1947 Minette Shields Ventnor
All great engines.
Quote:
Who cares what they name it?
The name denotes hemispherical chambers. It doesn't have them. That is the issue people have with the name.
Quote:
If you held every carmaker to the same standard all you could buy would be an old Chevrolet!
Please explain this.
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The 440 was a much better stoplight drag race motor than a old school 426 Hemi. Way more torque down low and still good hp on the top.
In the 1960's, with both engines stock, sure. The 426 had the capability to make VASTLY more power though due the superior heads.
The 426 and the BOSS 429 were the two engines that caused the hemispherical chamber to be banned from NASCAR and caused a re-write of the rulebook. Nothing GM made even came close.
Quote:
The new gen 5.7 and 6.1 are awesome engines.
I don't believe anybody is saying they aren't great engines? Just that they have been named due to the popularity of the NAME, not the fact that the engine has hemispherical chambers. Because it doesn't.
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Drive one sometime. My car weighs 4340 pounds and runs a 12.89 at 111 mph BONE STOCK! While rated at 425 hp it actually makes quite a bit more. Not too bad for a "not"-Hemi.
Not too bad for anything of that displacement. Stock 'vette's are stupid-fast too, as are Vipers, and neither of which claim to have a "HEMI" under the hood.
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Put a tuned 6.1 into an old Dart and it would be FASTER than the old school motor!
Yeah, unless you did some work to the old school engine. Anything can be made faster. The 426 was an engine with ridiculous potential.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
I don't believe anybody is saying they aren't great engines? Just that they have been named due to the popularity of the NAME...
Only Chrysler could latch onto a name and build an entire ad campaign around it. Its just like all those years they touted "cab-forward" technology; despite Car and Driver magazine which made fun of them since it was a design all their competition had been using for years.
I don't believe anybody is saying they aren't great engines? Just that they have been named due to the popularity of the NAME...
Only Chrysler could latch onto a name and build an entire ad campaign around it. Its just like all those years they touted "cab-forward" technology; despite Car and Driver magazine which made fun of them since it was a design all their competition had been using for years.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Haw, you can sure tell the guys who DON'T own a new-gen Hemi.
Nope, never owned a MOPAR vehicle. We have owned a few Chrysler engines over the years though, primarily marine stuff.
1972 440 in a 1972 Century Coronado
1940's straight-8 in a Chris-Craft cabin cruiser
1930's straight-6
1940's straight-6
35HP Chrysler Outboard
2x "Fury 190" 318's, one fitted to a 1947 Minette Shields Ventnor
All great engines.
And a very cool old boat!
Quote:
Who cares what they name it?
The name denotes hemispherical chambers. It doesn't have them. That is the issue people have with the name.
Quote:
If you held every carmaker to the same standard all you could buy would be an old Chevrolet!
Please explain this.
All car makers use marketing hype. The relation to the facts is very tenuous, at best.
Quote:
The 440 was a much better stoplight drag race motor than a old school 426 Hemi. Way more torque down low and still good hp on the top.
In the 1960's, with both engines stock, sure. The 426 had the capability to make VASTLY more power though due the superior heads.
The 426 and the BOSS 429 were the two engines that caused the hemispherical chamber to be banned from NASCAR and caused a re-write of the rulebook. Nothing GM made even came close.
Since we didn't have Smokey Yunick or Don Garlits at our strip in the 60's we ran what we had. With similar bolt ons and shade tree tuning the 440 was quicker every time. I had both, and have literally thousands of passes. The Hemi wins on the top and usually traps out a few mph faster, but the 440 got to the big end first.
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The new gen 5.7 and 6.1 are awesome engines.
I don't believe anybody is saying they aren't great engines? Just that they have been named due to the popularity of the NAME, not the fact that the engine has hemispherical chambers. Because it doesn't.
They could have called it the Firedome II? What did you expect them to do, name it factually? It's called MARKETING. Give anyone a moment and they could find a thousand equivalent examples of [censored] names that Mfgrs. use when selling a vehicle to the public.
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Drive one sometime. My car weighs 4340 pounds and runs a 12.89 at 111 mph BONE STOCK! While rated at 425 hp it actually makes quite a bit more. Not too bad for a "not"-Hemi.
Not too bad for anything of that displacement. Stock 'vette's are stupid-fast too, as are Vipers, and neither of which claim to have a "HEMI" under the hood.
Yeah, put 6-700 pounds of dead weight in that vette and he's toast! I'm driving a 4 door luxo sedan with all the toys. Maybe now you see why it's an impressive motor. I can take 5 people and their luggage to the airport, and still run with that Vette. Stops and turns, too.
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Put a tuned 6.1 into an old Dart and it would be FASTER than the old school motor!
Yeah, unless you did some work to the old school engine. Anything can be made faster. The 426 was an engine with ridiculous potential.
And the new gen not-Hemi's are running nines at the strip TODAY! Talk about HP, how about 900+ at the rear wheels. No 426 in history even came close on pump gas. Trapping out over 140 mph. You might want to check us out sometime. We'll have some big iron at the Florida Mile October 11. Come see.....
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Haw, you can sure tell the guys who DON'T own a new-gen Hemi.
Nope, never owned a MOPAR vehicle. We have owned a few Chrysler engines over the years though, primarily marine stuff.
1972 440 in a 1972 Century Coronado
1940's straight-8 in a Chris-Craft cabin cruiser
1930's straight-6
1940's straight-6
35HP Chrysler Outboard
2x "Fury 190" 318's, one fitted to a 1947 Minette Shields Ventnor
All great engines.
And a very cool old boat!
Quote:
Who cares what they name it?
The name denotes hemispherical chambers. It doesn't have them. That is the issue people have with the name.
Quote:
If you held every carmaker to the same standard all you could buy would be an old Chevrolet!
Please explain this.
All car makers use marketing hype. The relation to the facts is very tenuous, at best.
Quote:
The 440 was a much better stoplight drag race motor than a old school 426 Hemi. Way more torque down low and still good hp on the top.
In the 1960's, with both engines stock, sure. The 426 had the capability to make VASTLY more power though due the superior heads.
The 426 and the BOSS 429 were the two engines that caused the hemispherical chamber to be banned from NASCAR and caused a re-write of the rulebook. Nothing GM made even came close.
Since we didn't have Smokey Yunick or Don Garlits at our strip in the 60's we ran what we had. With similar bolt ons and shade tree tuning the 440 was quicker every time. I had both, and have literally thousands of passes. The Hemi wins on the top and usually traps out a few mph faster, but the 440 got to the big end first.
Quote:
The new gen 5.7 and 6.1 are awesome engines.
I don't believe anybody is saying they aren't great engines? Just that they have been named due to the popularity of the NAME, not the fact that the engine has hemispherical chambers. Because it doesn't.
They could have called it the Firedome II? What did you expect them to do, name it factually? It's called MARKETING. Give anyone a moment and they could find a thousand equivalent examples of [censored] names that Mfgrs. use when selling a vehicle to the public.
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Drive one sometime. My car weighs 4340 pounds and runs a 12.89 at 111 mph BONE STOCK! While rated at 425 hp it actually makes quite a bit more. Not too bad for a "not"-Hemi.
Not too bad for anything of that displacement. Stock 'vette's are stupid-fast too, as are Vipers, and neither of which claim to have a "HEMI" under the hood.
Yeah, put 6-700 pounds of dead weight in that vette and he's toast! I'm driving a 4 door luxo sedan with all the toys. Maybe now you see why it's an impressive motor. I can take 5 people and their luggage to the airport, and still run with that Vette. Stops and turns, too.
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Put a tuned 6.1 into an old Dart and it would be FASTER than the old school motor!
Yeah, unless you did some work to the old school engine. Anything can be made faster. The 426 was an engine with ridiculous potential.
And the new gen not-Hemi's are running nines at the strip TODAY! Talk about HP, how about 900+ at the rear wheels. No 426 in history even came close on pump gas. Trapping out over 140 mph. You might want to check us out sometime. We'll have some big iron at the Florida Mile October 11. Come see.....
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Haw, you can sure tell the guys who DON'T own a new-gen Hemi.
Nope, never owned a MOPAR vehicle. We have owned a few Chrysler engines over the years though, primarily marine stuff.
1972 440 in a 1972 Century Coronado
1940's straight-8 in a Chris-Craft cabin cruiser
1930's straight-6
1940's straight-6
35HP Chrysler Outboard
2x "Fury 190" 318's, one fitted to a 1947 Minette Shields Ventnor
All great engines.
And a very cool old boat!
Thanks! We've owned a plethora of old woodies over the years.
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Who cares what they name it?
The name denotes hemispherical chambers. It doesn't have them. That is the issue people have with the name.
Quote:
If you held every carmaker to the same standard all you could buy would be an old Chevrolet!
Please explain this.
All car makers use marketing hype. The relation to the facts is very tenuous, at best.
Yes, they do, but the difference here is that the "HEMI" moniker was coined due to the shape of the combustion chamber. Ford's "BOSS" moniker had no root in a specific trait of an engine or car, and could subsequently be recycled on pretty much any performance engine. GM didn't seem to use any "special" tags for engines.
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The 440 was a much better stoplight drag race motor than a old school 426 Hemi. Way more torque down low and still good hp on the top.
In the 1960's, with both engines stock, sure. The 426 had the capability to make VASTLY more power though due the superior heads.
The 426 and the BOSS 429 were the two engines that caused the hemispherical chamber to be banned from NASCAR and caused a re-write of the rulebook. Nothing GM made even came close.
Since we didn't have Smokey Yunick or Don Garlits at our strip in the 60's we ran what we had. With similar bolt ons and shade tree tuning the 440 was quicker every time. I had both, and have literally thousands of passes. The Hemi wins on the top and usually traps out a few mph faster, but the 440 got to the big end first.
Were these stock-cammed and stuff?
I ask because the TASCA Super BOSS (the BOSS 429 wasn't all that quick stock either) was running bottom 10's on Goodyear Polyglass junk back then, but it wasn't "stock" either.
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The new gen 5.7 and 6.1 are awesome engines.
I don't believe anybody is saying they aren't great engines? Just that they have been named due to the popularity of the NAME, not the fact that the engine has hemispherical chambers. Because it doesn't.
They could have called it the Firedome II? What did you expect them to do, name it factually? It's called MARKETING. Give anyone a moment and they could find a thousand equivalent examples of [censored] names that Mfgrs. use when selling a vehicle to the public.
I expected them to give it a name that didn't denote a trait it was lacking
IE, they could have called it a MAX or something, after the Max-Wedge? (obviously without the wedge part).
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Drive one sometime. My car weighs 4340 pounds and runs a 12.89 at 111 mph BONE STOCK! While rated at 425 hp it actually makes quite a bit more. Not too bad for a "not"-Hemi.
Not too bad for anything of that displacement. Stock 'vette's are stupid-fast too, as are Vipers, and neither of which claim to have a "HEMI" under the hood.
Yeah, put 6-700 pounds of dead weight in that vette and he's toast! I'm driving a 4 door luxo sedan with all the toys. Maybe now you see why it's an impressive motor. I can take 5 people and their luggage to the airport, and still run with that Vette. Stops and turns, too.
Again, never said it wasn't impressive, I said it was named poorly
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Put a tuned 6.1 into an old Dart and it would be FASTER than the old school motor!
Yeah, unless you did some work to the old school engine. Anything can be made faster. The 426 was an engine with ridiculous potential.
And the new gen not-Hemi's are running nines at the strip TODAY! Talk about HP, how about 900+ at the rear wheels. No 426 in history even came close on pump gas. Trapping out over 140 mph. You might want to check us out sometime. We'll have some big iron at the Florida Mile October 11. Come see.....
Dude, I'm in Canada! As much as I love drag racing, I don't think I could make that kind of trip
A good friend of mine had an 850RWHP '03 Cobra that ran on pump gas, there are lots of very impressive cars from all three manufacturers right now.
Again, I wasn't knocking the engine, I just said it was named wrong
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Haw, you can sure tell the guys who DON'T own a new-gen Hemi.
Nope, never owned a MOPAR vehicle. We have owned a few Chrysler engines over the years though, primarily marine stuff.
1972 440 in a 1972 Century Coronado
1940's straight-8 in a Chris-Craft cabin cruiser
1930's straight-6
1940's straight-6
35HP Chrysler Outboard
2x "Fury 190" 318's, one fitted to a 1947 Minette Shields Ventnor
All great engines.
And a very cool old boat!
Thanks! We've owned a plethora of old woodies over the years.
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Who cares what they name it?
The name denotes hemispherical chambers. It doesn't have them. That is the issue people have with the name.
Quote:
If you held every carmaker to the same standard all you could buy would be an old Chevrolet!
Please explain this.
All car makers use marketing hype. The relation to the facts is very tenuous, at best.
Yes, they do, but the difference here is that the "HEMI" moniker was coined due to the shape of the combustion chamber. Ford's "BOSS" moniker had no root in a specific trait of an engine or car, and could subsequently be recycled on pretty much any performance engine. GM didn't seem to use any "special" tags for engines.
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The 440 was a much better stoplight drag race motor than a old school 426 Hemi. Way more torque down low and still good hp on the top.
In the 1960's, with both engines stock, sure. The 426 had the capability to make VASTLY more power though due the superior heads.
The 426 and the BOSS 429 were the two engines that caused the hemispherical chamber to be banned from NASCAR and caused a re-write of the rulebook. Nothing GM made even came close.
Since we didn't have Smokey Yunick or Don Garlits at our strip in the 60's we ran what we had. With similar bolt ons and shade tree tuning the 440 was quicker every time. I had both, and have literally thousands of passes. The Hemi wins on the top and usually traps out a few mph faster, but the 440 got to the big end first.
Were these stock-cammed and stuff?
I ask because the TASCA Super BOSS (the BOSS 429 wasn't all that quick stock either) was running bottom 10's on Goodyear Polyglass junk back then, but it wasn't "stock" either.
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The new gen 5.7 and 6.1 are awesome engines.
I don't believe anybody is saying they aren't great engines? Just that they have been named due to the popularity of the NAME, not the fact that the engine has hemispherical chambers. Because it doesn't.
They could have called it the Firedome II? What did you expect them to do, name it factually? It's called MARKETING. Give anyone a moment and they could find a thousand equivalent examples of [censored] names that Mfgrs. use when selling a vehicle to the public.
I expected them to give it a name that didn't denote a trait it was lacking
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Drive one sometime. My car weighs 4340 pounds and runs a 12.89 at 111 mph BONE STOCK! While rated at 425 hp it actually makes quite a bit more. Not too bad for a "not"-Hemi.
Not too bad for anything of that displacement. Stock 'vette's are stupid-fast too, as are Vipers, and neither of which claim to have a "HEMI" under the hood.
Yeah, put 6-700 pounds of dead weight in that vette and he's toast! I'm driving a 4 door luxo sedan with all the toys. Maybe now you see why it's an impressive motor. I can take 5 people and their luggage to the airport, and still run with that Vette. Stops and turns, too.
Again, never said it wasn't impressive, I said it was named poorly
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Put a tuned 6.1 into an old Dart and it would be FASTER than the old school motor!
Yeah, unless you did some work to the old school engine. Anything can be made faster. The 426 was an engine with ridiculous potential.
And the new gen not-Hemi's are running nines at the strip TODAY! Talk about HP, how about 900+ at the rear wheels. No 426 in history even came close on pump gas. Trapping out over 140 mph. You might want to check us out sometime. We'll have some big iron at the Florida Mile October 11. Come see.....
Dude, I'm in Canada! As much as I love drag racing, I don't think I could make that kind of trip
A good friend of mine had an 850RWHP '03 Cobra that ran on pump gas, there are lots of very impressive cars from all three manufacturers right now.
Again, I wasn't knocking the engine, I just said it was named wrong
No worries.
Call it whatever you want, just note it's better that the old dog ever was. My original Hemi used oil from new and was completely shot at 50k miles. Then I spent 3 grand at my brother-in-laws machine shop and put it right. It was like a different engine, smooth and quiet. And much stronger.
Enjoy that old woodie!
Call it whatever you want, just note it's better that the old dog ever was. My original Hemi used oil from new and was completely shot at 50k miles. Then I spent 3 grand at my brother-in-laws machine shop and put it right. It was like a different engine, smooth and quiet. And much stronger.
Enjoy that old woodie!
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