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Originally Posted By: Shannow
There's no such thing as a free lunch.
How does the company stay in business ?
Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch. But, you will have to ask for it!
This company stays in business because they sell their used oil, for more than they pay you, to get it back!
You can read this from the Noria message board:
"The returned SynLube is reprocessed, and generaly sold to Government fleets, that operate under the President Clintons Executive Order that requires the use of RE-REfined or Re-processed Motor Oil in order to be qualified for Government Grants and other fleet subsidies.
The Price for the re-processed Motor Oil is $50.00 per liter
And of course your tax money pays for it, so you can just as well enjoy it FREE !!!
You pay $32.00 a liter for it, then when you are done we give you the $32.00 back.
But only few Einsteins have ever figured out that the use of SynLube is only the cost of the 3 to 5 filters used during vehicles typical useful life and the few Liters that it will "burn".
The oil consumption ranges from the worst of about 300 to 900 miles to Liter (PORSCHE TURBO) to as low as 35,000 miles (Some F-150 trucks, and few Toyota engines).
Filters if they are returned are cut appart for examination, the worst I have seen in 26 years was from Chevy AVEO !!!
Generally the stuff found in the filter tells us how good the engine construction and assembly quality is, as the performance of SynLube is a known constant since the last formulation change in 1985.
Thus we can tell which engine is made where and how good it is...."
What is so very hard to understand, about this?
There's no such thing as a free lunch.
How does the company stay in business ?
Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch. But, you will have to ask for it!
This company stays in business because they sell their used oil, for more than they pay you, to get it back!
You can read this from the Noria message board:
"The returned SynLube is reprocessed, and generaly sold to Government fleets, that operate under the President Clintons Executive Order that requires the use of RE-REfined or Re-processed Motor Oil in order to be qualified for Government Grants and other fleet subsidies.
The Price for the re-processed Motor Oil is $50.00 per liter
And of course your tax money pays for it, so you can just as well enjoy it FREE !!!
You pay $32.00 a liter for it, then when you are done we give you the $32.00 back.
But only few Einsteins have ever figured out that the use of SynLube is only the cost of the 3 to 5 filters used during vehicles typical useful life and the few Liters that it will "burn".
The oil consumption ranges from the worst of about 300 to 900 miles to Liter (PORSCHE TURBO) to as low as 35,000 miles (Some F-150 trucks, and few Toyota engines).
Filters if they are returned are cut appart for examination, the worst I have seen in 26 years was from Chevy AVEO !!!
Generally the stuff found in the filter tells us how good the engine construction and assembly quality is, as the performance of SynLube is a known constant since the last formulation change in 1985.
Thus we can tell which engine is made where and how good it is...."
What is so very hard to understand, about this?
Originally Posted By: jonny-b
The point is: You can use the oil, take a sample and return the used oil and get money for it.
Can you return used Dino oil and get the same amount of money back as you paid for it?
I don't buy into your arguments, guys.
It's just excuses, because you don't have the guts to try something that is not known to you.
With all respect.
jonny-b, I have given you an OLIVE BRANCH with the idea of a UOA and a VOA, this is the only way to settle this debate, and it seems like you are shooting this idea down.
I cannot bash Pennzoil Platinum because I have seen UOA's and VOA's of there oil on this site and many members are happy with PP, sorry Mobil 1 fans, but Mobil 1 is doing great in my Mom's car.
jonny, you also have a habit of bringing us products and not being able to show us proof.
Whatever product comes to the attention of BITOG members is going to be scrutinized, we are not going to buy someone's testimonial as fact.
When I was going to use MMO, Demarpaint basically told me what to expect, and he was right, for $3.47 a quart at the time it was worth a gamble, everything Demar has turned me onto has worked wonderfully, he is a car guy, just like me.
I remember checking your old posts, and I think you have tried over 10 oil additives, and I am sure you are not using many of them now, everytime I come on here I have the thought of what new product is jonny-b going to be talking about.
I think Mystic and Demarpaint have raised some good arguments and concerns about Synlube and attacking them and saying just try Synlube does not seem to be going over very well.
Without a VOA and a UOA on Synlube I see no point in buying this oil, why not just sned a sample to the BITOG member of your choice and we can see what the results are, and then we can all make an informed decision.
The point is: You can use the oil, take a sample and return the used oil and get money for it.
Can you return used Dino oil and get the same amount of money back as you paid for it?
I don't buy into your arguments, guys.
It's just excuses, because you don't have the guts to try something that is not known to you.
With all respect.
jonny-b, I have given you an OLIVE BRANCH with the idea of a UOA and a VOA, this is the only way to settle this debate, and it seems like you are shooting this idea down.
I cannot bash Pennzoil Platinum because I have seen UOA's and VOA's of there oil on this site and many members are happy with PP, sorry Mobil 1 fans, but Mobil 1 is doing great in my Mom's car.
jonny, you also have a habit of bringing us products and not being able to show us proof.
Whatever product comes to the attention of BITOG members is going to be scrutinized, we are not going to buy someone's testimonial as fact.
When I was going to use MMO, Demarpaint basically told me what to expect, and he was right, for $3.47 a quart at the time it was worth a gamble, everything Demar has turned me onto has worked wonderfully, he is a car guy, just like me.
I remember checking your old posts, and I think you have tried over 10 oil additives, and I am sure you are not using many of them now, everytime I come on here I have the thought of what new product is jonny-b going to be talking about.
I think Mystic and Demarpaint have raised some good arguments and concerns about Synlube and attacking them and saying just try Synlube does not seem to be going over very well.
Without a VOA and a UOA on Synlube I see no point in buying this oil, why not just sned a sample to the BITOG member of your choice and we can see what the results are, and then we can all make an informed decision.
Originally Posted By: jonny-b
The point is: You can use the oil, take a sample and return the used oil and get money for it.
Can you return used Dino oil and get the same amount of money back as you paid for it?
I don't buy into your arguments, guys.
It's just excuses, because you don't have the guts to try something that is not known to you.
With all respect.
If I were you, I wouldn't be so quick to speak about guts and excuses.
The point is: You can use the oil, take a sample and return the used oil and get money for it.
Can you return used Dino oil and get the same amount of money back as you paid for it?
I don't buy into your arguments, guys.
It's just excuses, because you don't have the guts to try something that is not known to you.
With all respect.
If I were you, I wouldn't be so quick to speak about guts and excuses.
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And, this info is easily available.
Why didn't you manage to find it?
Do you expect others to find info for you, all the time?
Some times, you must do some digging yourself.
Especially when you discuss something you are not on top with.
Why didn't you manage to find it?
Do you expect others to find info for you, all the time?
Some times, you must do some digging yourself.
Especially when you discuss something you are not on top with.
This is quite normal in other aspects of life, but there may be some other rules for these people yelling about what is possible or not, even without having tried the product(or having any knowledge about it).
It will be very similar if a taxi driver should tell a doctor at a hospital, that a special type of surgery was not possible to do(since he knew nothing about it).
Do you see it?
You know about this oil and the claims it has.
The guy selling it, has done so without complaints, for several years, to thousands of customers.
You know that if somethings were wrong with this oil, you should be able to find this info on the web.
Still, you claim that this isn't possible, without trying it?
How is that possible?
It will be very similar if a taxi driver should tell a doctor at a hospital, that a special type of surgery was not possible to do(since he knew nothing about it).
Do you see it?
You know about this oil and the claims it has.
The guy selling it, has done so without complaints, for several years, to thousands of customers.
You know that if somethings were wrong with this oil, you should be able to find this info on the web.
Still, you claim that this isn't possible, without trying it?
How is that possible?
Originally Posted By: c3po
jonny-b, I have given you an OLIVE BRANCH with the idea of a UOA and a VOA, this is the only way to settle this debate, and it seems like you are shooting this idea down.
The only way to settle this debate???? Oh come on now it would settle nothing. If you don't want to buy this oil fine. I'm not buying this oil either. Gee what if I really liked it? Who could I tell, who would believe me? No one here.
I don't suppose anyone would care to talk about Teflon?
jonny-b, I have given you an OLIVE BRANCH with the idea of a UOA and a VOA, this is the only way to settle this debate, and it seems like you are shooting this idea down.
The only way to settle this debate???? Oh come on now it would settle nothing. If you don't want to buy this oil fine. I'm not buying this oil either. Gee what if I really liked it? Who could I tell, who would believe me? No one here.
I don't suppose anyone would care to talk about Teflon?
Originally Posted By: jonny-b
"The returned SynLube is reprocessed, and generaly sold to Government fleets, that operate under the President Clintons Executive Order that requires the use of RE-REfined or Re-processed Motor Oil in order to be qualified for Government Grants and other fleet subsidies.
The Price for the re-processed Motor Oil is $50.00 per liter
And of course your tax money pays for it, so you can just as well enjoy it FREE !!!
You pay $32.00 a liter for it, then when you are done we give you the $32.00 back.
Are you saying the US gov't pays Synlube $50/liter for used/recycled oil to run in their cars, mail trucks etc? I'd love to see proof of that, forget the UOA. That is if I understand what you are saying correctly? You know this for fact, all the way over in Norway? Or did a Synlube company rep tell you? Or is it on their website?
Anyone else know about Uncle Sam buying recycled waste oil for $50 a liter? I know they use recycled oil but not at that price?????????? IIRC they buy it from Safety-Clean?
"The returned SynLube is reprocessed, and generaly sold to Government fleets, that operate under the President Clintons Executive Order that requires the use of RE-REfined or Re-processed Motor Oil in order to be qualified for Government Grants and other fleet subsidies.
The Price for the re-processed Motor Oil is $50.00 per liter
And of course your tax money pays for it, so you can just as well enjoy it FREE !!!
You pay $32.00 a liter for it, then when you are done we give you the $32.00 back.
Are you saying the US gov't pays Synlube $50/liter for used/recycled oil to run in their cars, mail trucks etc? I'd love to see proof of that, forget the UOA. That is if I understand what you are saying correctly? You know this for fact, all the way over in Norway? Or did a Synlube company rep tell you? Or is it on their website?
Anyone else know about Uncle Sam buying recycled waste oil for $50 a liter? I know they use recycled oil but not at that price?????????? IIRC they buy it from Safety-Clean?
I cannot think of anybody at bitgo better qualified to try out this Synlube stuff than Johnny. Hey, he used to work for Pennzoil. He is willing to try Synlube in one of his Hondas (which fellows, is taking a risk!) if everybody will pay for the Synlube. I trust Johnny. I think he is honest. And Terry Dyson could do the oil analysis.
I don't know how many quarts of oil his Honda takes. It is probably something like 4 or 5 quarts. If 5 quarts that is about $150.00. I cannot pay that full amount but I would be willing to pay some. We would finally be able to find out about this Synlube stuff without having to take the words of these mysterious people here trying to get everybody to buy it.
If 10 people put in 15 dollars apiece, we could get the Synlube. Maybe we would also have to get a oil filter or air filter or whatever. If the Synlube people back out we know what that means.
If we can find 10 people here willing to contribute 15 dollars I will contribute 15 dollars. Johnny, let me know where I can send the money. I will sent you 15 dollars or even 30 dollars cash right now.
There is probably nobody else more qualified than Johnny, and I believe him. But I can't do it by myself.
I don't know how many quarts of oil his Honda takes. It is probably something like 4 or 5 quarts. If 5 quarts that is about $150.00. I cannot pay that full amount but I would be willing to pay some. We would finally be able to find out about this Synlube stuff without having to take the words of these mysterious people here trying to get everybody to buy it.
If 10 people put in 15 dollars apiece, we could get the Synlube. Maybe we would also have to get a oil filter or air filter or whatever. If the Synlube people back out we know what that means.
If we can find 10 people here willing to contribute 15 dollars I will contribute 15 dollars. Johnny, let me know where I can send the money. I will sent you 15 dollars or even 30 dollars cash right now.
There is probably nobody else more qualified than Johnny, and I believe him. But I can't do it by myself.
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If there are no takers I understand. I have almost no confidence in this Synlube product. But I can't do it by myself.
I notice that jonny-b seemed to start backing out when it was suggested he send in a sample of his Synlube to a trusted bitgo member who would have a UOA done. I noticed this at the Noria site also. These Synlube guys avoid UOAs and VOAs like contagious disease. I don't see Pennzoil objecting to people doing VOAs and UOAs. Or any other reputable motor oil producer.
This new captain_kirk Synlube fan claims that he will be willing to submit samples of used Synlube for analysis. We shall see. If he backs out also we will all get the message.
I notice that jonny-b seemed to start backing out when it was suggested he send in a sample of his Synlube to a trusted bitgo member who would have a UOA done. I noticed this at the Noria site also. These Synlube guys avoid UOAs and VOAs like contagious disease. I don't see Pennzoil objecting to people doing VOAs and UOAs. Or any other reputable motor oil producer.
This new captain_kirk Synlube fan claims that he will be willing to submit samples of used Synlube for analysis. We shall see. If he backs out also we will all get the message.
Hi, again.
Another way of looking at it:
I don't see any point of proving that it is working, since I know that it is.
The problem is that you don't.
I think that several BITOGERs going together and pay to get this oil analyzed, is a good idea.
After the testing is done, you simply return the oil and get the money back.
Besides, you will learn about a very good product, at the cost of the postage.
Use an engine that are fairly clean, inside.
An engine using MMO would not be to bad.
Good luck.
Another way of looking at it:
I don't see any point of proving that it is working, since I know that it is.
The problem is that you don't.
I think that several BITOGERs going together and pay to get this oil analyzed, is a good idea.
After the testing is done, you simply return the oil and get the money back.
Besides, you will learn about a very good product, at the cost of the postage.
Use an engine that are fairly clean, inside.
An engine using MMO would not be to bad.
Good luck.
Mystic,
I would want someone other than myself in charge of collecting the money for this project. Once all monies was collected, then it could be sent to me to place the order. The way I figured it, the initial cost would be the following:
5 quarts of the Initial Fill Oil @ $32.00 per quart = $160.00
1 quart of the Add Oil @ $20.00 in case it consumes any.
1 filter @ $24.00
That totals $204.00 to get started.
I would pay the $40.00 for a quart of the Service fill oil for when I changed the filter plus the $24.00 for another filter when it is time to change. I would also pay Terry Dyson the $99.00 for the VOA and the $99.00 for the UOA's every 10K until he told me it was time to change it.
So if someone wants to be in charge of collecting the $240.00 I'm willing to donate the car (2006 Honda Element with approx 34K on it) the extra oil, filter, and analysis to do the test.
Just let me know either on this thread or by PM
By the way, the engine in this Honda has had its oil changed every 5K with synthetics since new. All using Pennzoil Platinum except for the Mobil 1 0W-20 that is in it now. The engine is spotless.
I would want someone other than myself in charge of collecting the money for this project. Once all monies was collected, then it could be sent to me to place the order. The way I figured it, the initial cost would be the following:
5 quarts of the Initial Fill Oil @ $32.00 per quart = $160.00
1 quart of the Add Oil @ $20.00 in case it consumes any.
1 filter @ $24.00
That totals $204.00 to get started.
I would pay the $40.00 for a quart of the Service fill oil for when I changed the filter plus the $24.00 for another filter when it is time to change. I would also pay Terry Dyson the $99.00 for the VOA and the $99.00 for the UOA's every 10K until he told me it was time to change it.
So if someone wants to be in charge of collecting the $240.00 I'm willing to donate the car (2006 Honda Element with approx 34K on it) the extra oil, filter, and analysis to do the test.
Just let me know either on this thread or by PM
By the way, the engine in this Honda has had its oil changed every 5K with synthetics since new. All using Pennzoil Platinum except for the Mobil 1 0W-20 that is in it now. The engine is spotless.
The Synlube guys should just send Johhny the oil. Afterall, the claim is made that we get our money back if we send them the used oil. And a filter, if they make one that fits his Honda.
From a PR standpoint, it's a great move. A respected member who has no dog in this hunt puts it through its paces.
And then, if it passes, they could also become a sponsor of this site.
From a PR standpoint, it's a great move. A respected member who has no dog in this hunt puts it through its paces.
And then, if it passes, they could also become a sponsor of this site.
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Mystic,
I would want someone other than myself in charge of collecting the money for this project. Once all monies was collected, then it could be sent to me to place the order. The way I figured it, the initial cost would be the following:
5 quarts of the Initial Fill Oil @ $32.00 per quart = $160.00
1 quart of the Add Oil @ $20.00 in case it consumes any.
1 filter @ $24.00
That totals $204.00 to get started.
I would pay the $40.00 for a quart of the Service fill oil for when I changed the filter plus the $24.00 for another filter when it is time to change. I would also pay Terry Dyson the $99.00 for the VOA and the $99.00 for the UOA's every 10K until he told me it was time to change it.
So if someone wants to be in charge of collecting the $240.00 I'm willing to donate the car (2006 Honda Element with approx 34K on it) the extra oil, filter, and analysis to do the test.
Just let me know either on this thread or by PM
By the way, the engine in this Honda has had its oil changed every 5K with synthetics since new. All using Pennzoil Platinum except for the Mobil 1 0W-20 that is in it now. The engine is spotless.
I have offered before to do the UOA and VOA for free
Mystic,
I would want someone other than myself in charge of collecting the money for this project. Once all monies was collected, then it could be sent to me to place the order. The way I figured it, the initial cost would be the following:
5 quarts of the Initial Fill Oil @ $32.00 per quart = $160.00
1 quart of the Add Oil @ $20.00 in case it consumes any.
1 filter @ $24.00
That totals $204.00 to get started.
I would pay the $40.00 for a quart of the Service fill oil for when I changed the filter plus the $24.00 for another filter when it is time to change. I would also pay Terry Dyson the $99.00 for the VOA and the $99.00 for the UOA's every 10K until he told me it was time to change it.
So if someone wants to be in charge of collecting the $240.00 I'm willing to donate the car (2006 Honda Element with approx 34K on it) the extra oil, filter, and analysis to do the test.
Just let me know either on this thread or by PM
By the way, the engine in this Honda has had its oil changed every 5K with synthetics since new. All using Pennzoil Platinum except for the Mobil 1 0W-20 that is in it now. The engine is spotless.
I have offered before to do the UOA and VOA for free
I will contribute $20.00 also. I think this is a good idea although everybody should realize that Johnny is taking a risk here with a good automobile. But if the oil passes a VOA it should be safe. And if the oil is tested every 10,000 miles I think that is pretty safe.
I am pretty excited about all of this. We will finally find out about this Synlube. You notice bitgo people are doing this with NO help or funding from Synlube or the Synlube fans.
I am pretty excited about all of this. We will finally find out about this Synlube. You notice bitgo people are doing this with NO help or funding from Synlube or the Synlube fans.
Just a suggestion in case we can't find the necessary 10 contributors. We could buy ONE bottle of this stuff and get a VOA done. This would protect Johnny's investment in his car. Because if the guy doing the analysis said not to put the stuff in the engine of a car-that it was worthless-we would not even go forward with buying the rest of the oil and the testing in the car of course. It would cost $32.00 for the oil and one member here said that he would be willing to do the analysis for free. Otherwise the cost would be $32.00 for the quart of oil and $99.00 for the testing.
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