TBM-700 crash in Anoka MN
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Yikes, that's horrible. The sound too.
That is tough to watch. It's hard to imagine the stark terror of watching the ground coming up at you, knowing you're going to perish. It sounded like a bomb when it hit.
Hopefully, no one in the house was killed.
Hopefully, no one in the house was killed.
Awful, something major had to happen to make it go straight down what appears to be high throttle. Looks to be just the pilot, as of old story. I don't think anyone in the home died , they were on vacation luckily. The firefighter did not know a plane started it until they were sifting through the house after the fire was put out a news story said. They thought the house blew up. I question that, as neighbors you would think would of heard a full throttled air plane for blocks around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOCATA_TBM
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I really hate speculating on why things like this happen. However, it bears repeating even if not the cause, these are not all weather aircraft and cannot tolerate any ice buildup. They are often flown single pilot, and any additional pilot workload, for any reason such as weather, icing or mechanical/avionics problems, can quickly get out of hand.
The PC12 is another great example. A wonderfully made aircraft that is quite capable. Yet perfectly healthy examples keep crashing. It's no mystery as to why. The solution for a much better result is often quite simple. Manage the plane properly and stay out of bad weather.
The PC12 is another great example. A wonderfully made aircraft that is quite capable. Yet perfectly healthy examples keep crashing. It's no mystery as to why. The solution for a much better result is often quite simple. Manage the plane properly and stay out of bad weather.
It is worth noting that both the TBM-700 and PC-12 can be certified for known ice if they have the proper de-ice and anti-ice equipment. We don't know if this particular TBM-700 had the proper equipment for icing conditions. Neither of these aircraft can be flown in severe icing conditions.
If I remember correctly, the aviation book " Fate is the Hunter " has a sentence that mentions being the tip of the arrow.
While all aspects of that crash are terrible, and it would be terrible for anyone to be sitting in that seat. Maybe the pilots family should know that dying during an impact like that occurs much quicker than it takes for a person to feel any pain.
While all aspects of that crash are terrible, and it would be terrible for anyone to be sitting in that seat. Maybe the pilots family should know that dying during an impact like that occurs much quicker than it takes for a person to feel any pain.
Interesting that Ontario gov't is moving towards more PC-12s (24/7) as they state.
Makes sense in that the PC12 is much less expensive, has double the range and double the cruise speed than the current AW139 helicopter fleet.
Ontario is a very large province once you get north of the French River.
https://www.businessairnews.com/mag_story.html?ident=29260
I watch lots of aviation crash analysis videos on YouTube about general aviation pilots and there waaaaay too many pilots that should not be flying without an instructor.
Just because someone can afford a plane doesn’t make them a good pilot.
It’s sad when they get their entire family killed flying into bad weather / IMC conditions.
Just because someone can afford a plane doesn’t make them a good pilot.
It’s sad when they get their entire family killed flying into bad weather / IMC conditions.
I had a former student did just that. I tried to teach him that the safety is not an option. He was a cowboy with a lot of money and way too much airplane.
There are old pilots and bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots.
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Very sad this PC-12 broke up mid flight and 4 kids killed. If I had the money to buy a PC-12 I’d definitely be spending time with instructor and working on my skills.
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Problem is they can also kill people on the ground, not just themselves or whoever else is with them in the plane.
Same here, I had a former student who killed himself plus his passengers ( wasn’t rich, not at all, but he was over confident )
NTSB is very busy these days.
Not speculating with this crash, I have no clue what happened ( could have been a medical condition , who knows ).
Money….I have seen very inexperienced airline pilots try to bid Captain tempted by ego and/or money but the system didn’t let them pass.
In the non airline world , if you can afford it, you can buy and fly it.
Maybe I should buy this F104 and start doing airshows. I have 27,000 hours, what could go wrong?
https://www.aeroflap.com.br/en/classic-fighter-f-104-starfighter-is-being-sold-for-us-850-thousand/
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I know what you mean, speculation is often wrong, and can be incredibly misleading. Like you, I have no idea what happened here. It is still worth discussing the common causes of such GA crashes, if only so when we find ourselves there, we remember to "not do that".
Back in the middle ages when I took aviation safety courses, medical related crashes were said to be rare, maybe as low as 0.5% or one in 200 fatal GA crashes and almost non existent in two pilot aircraft. Even so, I knew someone who had a heart attack, radioed it in and eventually his Mooney ended up in the ocean. As I understand it, most medical crashes are not straight down and are much more likely to be shallow, in the aircraft's last state of trim. Sometimes when the fuel runs out, they just descend at cruise speed.
I brought up icing above, as that's another big problem for light aircraft, even if it is certified into known icing. Having operated PC-12's for two decades, I have good experience with that wonderful plane. The bottom line is that we needed to use a product called IceX-II on all the leading edges and prop blades, prior to any fall, winter or spring flight into the North East. The boots and prop heat were utterly useless. Ice simply accumulated instantly, even in clear conditions. The vibrations were unreal when 4 of the 5 blades held ice outside of the blade heaters. There was even a case where ice fell from the bottom of the wing after landing. We learned to take the Gulfstream.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2003/09/18/clients-friends-mourn-jupiter-pilot/
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And the problem is, like with two pilot Learjet crash in Philly, how are they ever going to know what happened with no CVR or FDR. They will never know.I know what you mean, speculation is often wrong, and can be incredibly misleading. Like you, I have no idea what happened here. It is still worth discussing the common causes of such GA crashes, if only so when we find ourselves there, we remember to "not do that".
Back in the middle ages when I took aviation safety courses, medical related crashes were said to be rare, maybe as low as 0.5% or one in 200 fatal GA crashes and almost non existent in two pilot aircraft. Even so, I knew someone who had a heart attack, radioed it in and eventually his Mooney ended up in the ocean. As I understand it, most medical crashes are not straight down and are much more likely to be shallow, in the aircraft's last state of trim. Sometimes when the fuel runs out, they just descend at cruise speed.
I brought up icing above, as that's another big problem for light aircraft, even if it is certified into known icing. Having operated PC-12's for two decades, I have good experience with that wonderful plane. The bottom line is that we needed to use a product called IceX-II on all the leading edges and prop blades, prior to any fall, winter or spring flight into the North East. The boots and prop heat were utterly useless. Ice simply accumulated instantly, even in clear conditions. The vibrations were unreal when 4 of the 5 blades held ice outside of the blade heaters. There was even a case where ice fell from the bottom of the wing after landing. We learned to take the Gulfstream.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2003/09/18/clients-friends-mourn-jupiter-pilot/
The weather was 900 feet overcast with 10 miles visibility when this crash happened. Apparently there was light rime icing reported.
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