edyvw
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And let’s not forget suspension issues at speeds over 130mph.
But, I must say, looks good posting it on Tik Tok doing 0-60.
But, I must say, looks good posting it on Tik Tok doing 0-60.
Taycan Turbo S for the win!
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Kinda funny how the incredible Taycan, with Porsche's storied history, is having so many problems with the Taycan.
And how BMW, with all its history, struggles with EVs as well. From class action suits to major recalls (in Europe, BMW had to recall the BMW i4 because it had no battery crash pads), the outdated clunky iDrive, slow charging and of course using i3 common parts.
Wonder if they will consider a charging network?
edyvw
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They have problems and still making money selling ICE.
Idrive is excellent thing. Far better than that attached iPad. But above everything, they can stop! And they don’t feel like Toyota Corolla over 130mph, if one could go that fast. But then, Plaid is not any faster in real world.
EVs are helping BMW this year. BMW is having a profitable year, despite cutting its 2022 forecast. They are selling less cars but more high end cars. BMW is forecasting 7% to 9% margins down fromn 10%. 1st half 2022 YOY, BMW sales were down 13%; ICE poor sales were bouyed by an increase if their EV business. Demand is weaker but still there; BMW is stuggling on how to navigate supply chain issues. Perhaps Tesla can code some firmware for them?
You probably know Tesla's margins were 33% in Q1 and 28% in Q2; slowed by the China factory shutdown but still stellar vs their competition.
Tesla is expected to outsell BMW overall within 5 years. Kinda funny how such lousy cars are killing BMW in the market. iPad and all. By the way, young people love the Tesla techy interface. BMW and others would do well to learn how to attract the next generation of car buyers. The iDrive ain't it.
I meant my post to showcase the wonderful Taycan, but Tesla haters gonna hate. I salute both cars and am looking forward to spirited competition.
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Thank you. Tesla repeatedly releases unfinished products then claims a software update will fix it. I don't understand why so many people defend such a terrible company. They were forced to recall 300,000 over the front hood causing damage to a wiring harness. No software will fix that. The Cybertruck and Semi are delayed again (shocker).
Whats the actual data on both cars crashed per million miles?
Plenty of Porsches have caught on fire but they don't sell many in comparison.
On brakes the teslas stop better than BMW's I Drives as a whole edging out even the Taycan cross tourism 4.
From Bjorn Nylands youtube page.
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Darn those pesky facts!
edyvw
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Those are Tesla’s that came with brakes, right?
Correct Bjorn tests stock cars with the exception sometimes the cars have wheel/tire size differences in this case its noted.
This same test also has the acceleration chart of most of these cars.
I think you'd like Bjorn.
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So, I might be mistaken, but what that has to do with Plaid?
Since, I spend a lot of time on track, and did that for last 25 years, working for oil company and car magazine, some time ago, I can tell you from performance stand point those numbers between those cars don’t mean anything. They are all good.
But, there is fundamental problem when car cannot stop properly (Plaid) or be controlled at high speeds. So, yeah, maybe, one day they get it to satisfactory point, but it tells a lot about company, know-how, and grift going on.
By the way, BMW M3 E36 and Porsche 911 had braking distance in 33-34m range back in 1995.
Plaid's only one model, And you aren't buying one anyway, nor are you buying a competitive car.
The plaid ranks how it ranks regardless of anyones feelings.
What are the latest numbers on it?
Third party numbers from an independent guy that drives them all means a lot more than they do from a guy thats never driven even one of them.
Who cares what cars out this segment did or do at any point in time- they aren't meaningful comparisons.
What matter is how cars within a segment compete.
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edyvw
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Many people who worked on the development of Plaid do not own one! What kind of arrogant, hubristic "argument" is that? I do not want to buy it (I own a tablet already) and that somehow excludes me from the conversation. You obviously care enough to answer here.
When the vehicle cannot brake and cannot grip road BCS. Suspension, those are not feelings. The car is JUNK! It does a good job on Tik Tok, but that is it.
I drove most of the cars on that list, including those Tesla tablets that are falling apart. So yeah, I do now.
Obviously, for you, based on your statement, should I or should I not discuss something, the most important thing is to keep up with neighbors. Plaid will do that to some extent, though, it ain't Mercedes S class, 7 series, or Audi A8, nor will it ever be. Let alone Porsche.
1968 L88 Corvette could hit 200 mph. Big deal.
No one said you cant talk about things you aren't going to buy, or claimed everyone that made them bought one.
IF you dont like the specs on plaid dont buy one. You arent.
Like autopilot dont buy it if you dont want it. so complaining about it is like complaining about a radio station - turn the dial mate.
Painting the whole companies braking performance on one one model or you perception of it doenst back the data.
What is the plaids data ? Show us the number vs your feelings,
What suspension problem at 130 - where did you do that at?
Im totally open to compare it to the competition, but you never post data.
Maybe its the weakest broker of all in its class - doest apply to the whole lineup.
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edyvw
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You have Plaid data in Car and Driver as far as I remember.
Companies that claim to be xyz cannot produce vehicles like that, except if they are that confident that owners really do not care about that. And apparently, they do not.
Yous still cannot help yourself separating discussion from personal ownership.
edyvw
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As far as I remember that was the selling point of the makers of that tablet.
Citroen had half a steering wheel 70 years ago, big deal.
You are claiming its not competitive in its segment - show us dont tell us.
The burden on proving the plaids weakness lies on the claimant as with any claim.
I divorce ownership further than you do -
Im not willing to condemn my segment choices because of an issue perceived or real in that brands out of segment vehicles.
I LOOOVE Porsches I wouldnt not buy a 911 because of an issue with the Taycan.
Where you take the path of (Im paraphrasing ) " I chose the BMW/POrsche/ ID4 because tesla cant do brakes".
Nowhere close to 200 in stock form.
edyvw
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We have already discussed Plaid's brakes and articles.
Here is an interesting article:
https://jalopnik.com/watch-a-tesla-model-s-plaids-brakes-catch-fire-during-t-1848169116
No, you are not divorcing it. You have a fundamental issue with someone discussing something they don't want to buy but you like. They don't belong in the "club."
Tomorrow I might watch whether to park next to Tesla owners. They might have problems me breathing air around them.
Thats one article not a comprehensive breakdown and competitive analysis.
I can make any cars brakes catch fire. IF you want bigger brakes check the box and spend the money.
I dont care what you like and dont like - we all get top pick what we like
We dont get to pick the numbers though and I'm data driven vs "feelings"
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