I would have to disagree with GV not being good lubricants by them selfs. If compared to any other base stock by itself they are at least as good if not beter. In fact one of the best natural lubricants while a rather dirty oil was Castor BEan Oil. It is pretty much considered an anti-sieve as well as an excellent lubricant and penatrating compound. It has some great anti-oxidant compounds as well. What makes it so good is the high concentrations of natural occuring ester's..... In fact as plant oils go this was one of the few that actualy worked from day one with out any fancy chemistry. It has taken a long time for products like RLI to be prodouced from other cheaper more available vegtable oils due to oxidation issues.
Now what I really like are man made ester's made from castor bean oil. As far as base stocks for automotive purpose's go I would put it up against anything as a base stock. I have always insisted that the VII's and additives for AW/EP/Oxidation Resistance/PH are the heavy lifters the oil is thier to cool, lubricate and form a hydro-dynamic wedge to float the parts. It is the additives that prevent corrision wear,wear from metal to metal contact,cleanliness etc..........
THe problem with many companies is that their are too many choics.....It is two easy to make a product that mostly GII or GII+ toss in some GIII and a small hit of ester's and bam cheap oil.....Bare minium additive package etc.......Marketit right and charge a premium for it and you make huge profits........
I would not have a problem with cheaper base stocks as long as the cost savings was passed on to the customer but how often does that happen.......
My problemis one of principal if you are going to tell me somethingis synthetic then it shouldnot have anything less then group 4 in it at all baring a carrier oil for the additives as M1 used to do. Today almost all additives Ihave been told come in an ester based pacakge for quarteed solubility in any and all products. For instance we all know RTS is a GIII oil and not more then 18 months ago I was paying $12.95 a gallon for it so I thought it a real value. I think it is just short of stealing to sell someone a GIII product at a premium price and call it a synthetic. If I tell you I am selling you gold but deliver lead you will not be happy. THeir is very little difference between lead and gold lss difference in fact then theiris between GIII and G-V. I believe in consistency and you can not have one slipper slip-shod standard for one things and tight standards for another.......Like wise a guy that has had a surgical gender reasignment is not a woman any more then a slack was derived GIII is not a true synthetic.
Now what I really like are man made ester's made from castor bean oil. As far as base stocks for automotive purpose's go I would put it up against anything as a base stock. I have always insisted that the VII's and additives for AW/EP/Oxidation Resistance/PH are the heavy lifters the oil is thier to cool, lubricate and form a hydro-dynamic wedge to float the parts. It is the additives that prevent corrision wear,wear from metal to metal contact,cleanliness etc..........
THe problem with many companies is that their are too many choics.....It is two easy to make a product that mostly GII or GII+ toss in some GIII and a small hit of ester's and bam cheap oil.....Bare minium additive package etc.......Marketit right and charge a premium for it and you make huge profits........
I would not have a problem with cheaper base stocks as long as the cost savings was passed on to the customer but how often does that happen.......
My problemis one of principal if you are going to tell me somethingis synthetic then it shouldnot have anything less then group 4 in it at all baring a carrier oil for the additives as M1 used to do. Today almost all additives Ihave been told come in an ester based pacakge for quarteed solubility in any and all products. For instance we all know RTS is a GIII oil and not more then 18 months ago I was paying $12.95 a gallon for it so I thought it a real value. I think it is just short of stealing to sell someone a GIII product at a premium price and call it a synthetic. If I tell you I am selling you gold but deliver lead you will not be happy. THeir is very little difference between lead and gold lss difference in fact then theiris between GIII and G-V. I believe in consistency and you can not have one slipper slip-shod standard for one things and tight standards for another.......Like wise a guy that has had a surgical gender reasignment is not a woman any more then a slack was derived GIII is not a true synthetic.
