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Yes i'm a PP man. I had a good UOA around 3000 miles. Some felt it could have been better. I have never been a long OCI guy. I always change oil between 4000-5000 miles even with SYNS. due to my driving conditions. I tow alot that are usually short trips(10-15 miles) and alot of in town driving (2-3 miles). I'd say 80% plus for short driving even with a load. I bought BOGO Synpower 5w-30 with A Wix (NAPA Gold) filter. Feels smooth and I plan to change out before it get's really cold here in MN. I try to go longer in winter with oil changes because it's cold in the garage. lol. This UOA will come in around 3 months.
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I just picked up a bunch of the 530 and 20/50 synpower on the bogo. Looking to try it out myself here in a couple of months. Currently have amsoil 0W20 in my fusion gonna run that to 10K and get analysis done. Also want to try the PP as well.
 
Does the fact that SynPower does not have the performance to protect a rather common Cadillac (or any other high performanace-tuned GM vehicle) concern anyone? GM validates the oils that meet their GM4718M spec. I see that SynPower's official product data sheet neatly lists all their OEM approvals without the 2nd largest OEM's high performance spec, but if you read the less official website paragraph text, they spout it off everywhere for all viscosities.

It's one thing to recommend an oil for an application, it's another to mislead people that have a performance certification that you in fact do not have.
 
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Does the fact that SynPower does not have the performance to protect a rather common Cadillac (or any other high performanace-tuned GM vehicle) concern anyone? GM validates the oils that meet their GM4718M spec. I see that SynPower's official product data sheet neatly lists all their OEM approvals without the 2nd largest OEM's high performance spec, but if you read the less official website paragraph text, they spout it off everywhere for all viscosities.

It's one thing to recommend an oil for an application, it's another to mislead people that have a performance certification that you in fact do not have.




Can you show that Valvoline applied for and was rejected for such certification?
 
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Does the fact that SynPower does not have the performance to protect a rather common Cadillac (or any other high performanace-tuned GM vehicle) concern anyone? GM validates the oils that meet their GM4718M spec. I see that SynPower's official product data sheet neatly lists all their OEM approvals without the 2nd largest OEM's high performance spec, but if you read the less official website paragraph text, they spout it off everywhere for all viscosities.

It's one thing to recommend an oil for an application, it's another to mislead people that have a performance certification that you in fact do not have.




Can you show that Valvoline applied for and was rejected for such certification?




why would he show you that? and how? does he have records of what oil companies have applied for what oil certifications? thats absurd. he doesn't have to show you that at all. he can show you the product data sheet, where GM4718M is not listed, and thats all he needs to show. end of story.

thats not to say that synpower isn't a good oil. just wondering why they don't meet that GM spec.
 
Actually, the burden of proof (or integrity) is placed upon the shoulders of the lube marketer, not someone viewing a public approval list and cross referencing it with an owners manual.

Claiming the spec in one spot, not claiming it in another, and validating that the spec stewarding OEM has not independently validated performance is a perplexing combination - especially for a well known brand such as Valvoline.

Nobody is saying that it's not a good oil. On the GM note, GM has indeed validated it's performance to grant it the conventional-level GM6904M spec approval. Based on this, it appears that Valvoline has indeed been in contact with GM regarding Synpower performance.

IF Synpower has indeed taken the tests to prove GM4718M minimum performance and passed, and Valv has chosen NOT to truthfully claim that performance level - it makes no sense, nobody would do this. Valv truthfully obtains and displays approvals for many smaller market share companies, why not for the 2nd largest OEM in America? Independently validated minimum specs hurdles exist so you don't have to decide whether or not to believe an oil sales pitch.

Valv is not alone, Castrol Syntec is in the same boat too - not GM4718M approved either, but it indeed has the conventional-level GM6094M spec that GTX doesn't even carry anymore after GM's recent removal of GTX from the GM6094-approved list.

If a company is confident their product has GM4718M performance, how do they know if they haven't taken the tests? If they have taken the tests and passed, they would surely present the data and gain approval in a heartbeat. Claiming a spec without validation doesn't add up.
 
Exactly! Just because it's not the GM-approved list, well all that means is that the oil bottler didn't partake in the program. Those programs have costs - plus the factory-fill oil company may have a written sagreement with GM - to not invite Valvoline (Ashland) into the ratings/testing-approval program.
 
well, anyways, point is... use it. i'm sure its good. how does it stack up against PP? do UOA's show results as good as PP?

the BOGO price on it in Buffalo is 2.74 and that seems like a ---- good deal, seeing as this stuff costs 7.99 anywhere here in Toronto
 
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Does the fact that SynPower does not have the performance to protect a rather common Cadillac (or any other high performanace-tuned GM vehicle) concern anyone? GM validates the oils that meet their GM4718M spec. I see that SynPower's official product data sheet neatly lists all their OEM approvals without the 2nd largest OEM's high performance spec, but if you read the less official website paragraph text, they spout it off everywhere for all viscosities.

It's one thing to recommend an oil for an application, it's another to mislead people that have a performance certification that you in fact do not have.




No, it does not bother me. Simmer down. A lot of boutique oils (not saying Synpower is a boutique) don't have these big money car maker certs...that doesn't mean they aren't worthy of use in your vehicle. Horrible Amsoil!

I've been running 5W-30 Synpower in my Fusion with no problems. I'm currently at 3K with my current fill. Oil still has a nice color to it.
 
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And yet Syntec Claims GM4718m right on the label of their 5w30.




Yep, that's integrity alright. There's no law against misleading someone. They also claimed GTX met the conventional oil GM spec too...

It would be very illegal to try and restrict trade (or a competitor) from being independently validated - this can't happen. Anyone with the performance proof can join the list.

I'm not saying these oils are bad, I'm just pointing out they make a claim that is not true. Some consumers may take issue with this practice.

Of course it costs money to test oils with OEMs. That's part of supporting and developing your brand and product - independent validation from a credible source (the engine builder). Valv has done this for years and does it today with many other OEMs, it just seems odd if they simply haven't gotten around to 2nd largest car maker in the world whose spec has been active since 1993.

By the way, this is from a '04 CTS owners manual "Oils meeting this standard may be identified as synthetic. However, not all synthetic oils will meet this GM standard." It appears that GM has run into synthetic oils that have proven not to pass their tests.

We are all free to make our own purchases. Engines aren't blowing up and people are happy with oils which claim specs they don't have (according to the keeper of the spec). Independently validated specs provide minimum performance hurdle info to help consumers compare and contract product options.
 
well, if it claims it right on the bottle, then how do you know its not true? that doesn't seem very fair at all?

and why does everyone keep calling GM the second largest auto manufacturer in the world?
 
Well Synpower seems to be doing a good job in my Titan. Engine feels nice and smooth during acceleration with my tow loads.
 
Valvoline is rebating any amount you pay over $9 for 6 qts. for Synpower. This offer is through the end of October. They have a requirement to send 5 of the tamper-proof rings with your rebate form. Ist time I've seen that request.
 
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