all the solids may blind the test to total additives BUT?? I will wait for more "good" sample.
Synlube VOA Attempt - Set-Up Thread
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Originally Posted By: bruce381
I do not know about this spectro was run twice to verify.
Bottel has "small engines" pictures on it I'm told this is different than regular Synlube so I will not spend any more thime with this one.
Synlube "small Engine"
5w50
Vis @ 100 15.4 (40wt)
TBN 2.5
FE 11
AL 3
PB 8
B 146
NA 32
MO 1597
P 1246
ZN 52
CA 110
MG 26
Others trace
A TBN of 2.5, that seems low to me.
I do not know about this spectro was run twice to verify.
Bottel has "small engines" pictures on it I'm told this is different than regular Synlube so I will not spend any more thime with this one.
Synlube "small Engine"
5w50
Vis @ 100 15.4 (40wt)
TBN 2.5
FE 11
AL 3
PB 8
B 146
NA 32
MO 1597
P 1246
ZN 52
CA 110
MG 26
Others trace
A TBN of 2.5, that seems low to me.
Synlube's advertising says they reprocess used oil. This makes me wonder whether they may be in fact selling dosed, used oil. The TBN and wear metals shown above would be consistent with used oil. Perhaps this is why they have been very defensive at providing any UOA or VOAs? Thoughts?
"SynLube functional fluids may be removed at anytime from service (for maximum engine life, every 50,000 mi. or 5 years) and be returned for replacement or full credit of the original purchase price. In this manner, SynLube lubricants are a truly "green" oil, being fully reprocessable at a fraction of the cost that it takes to build them, eliminating the waste stream of hazardous used engine oil effecting our environment."
"SynLube functional fluids may be removed at anytime from service (for maximum engine life, every 50,000 mi. or 5 years) and be returned for replacement or full credit of the original purchase price. In this manner, SynLube lubricants are a truly "green" oil, being fully reprocessable at a fraction of the cost that it takes to build them, eliminating the waste stream of hazardous used engine oil effecting our environment."
I said the same thing in another thread. Take used oil, color it silver with different adds, like LM. The average person wouldn't know......... Collect used oil, tint it silver, package and sell again. Wow what a concept!
Sit tight Miro/Mora/Kirk or jonny-b will explain, after he/they bashes/bash the process used for doing the VOA...................
Sit tight Miro/Mora/Kirk or jonny-b will explain, after he/they bashes/bash the process used for doing the VOA...................
Are those results part of an April Fools joke?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I said the same thing in another thread. Take used oil, color it silver with different adds, like LM. The average person wouldn't know......... Collect used oil, tint it silver, package and sell again. Wow what a concept!
Well, if that whole selling delvac with the original foil labels removed thing is true shown in this tdiclub thread then it does seem plausible.
"The Delvac 1 Jugs were originally sealed with thin foil below the cap, but we
found out that this causes leaks when UPS handles it, so we put in CAPLUGS to
prevent leaks.
Miro Kefurt
MIROX Corporation
1-800-SYN-LUBE"
I said the same thing in another thread. Take used oil, color it silver with different adds, like LM. The average person wouldn't know......... Collect used oil, tint it silver, package and sell again. Wow what a concept!
Well, if that whole selling delvac with the original foil labels removed thing is true shown in this tdiclub thread then it does seem plausible.
"The Delvac 1 Jugs were originally sealed with thin foil below the cap, but we
found out that this causes leaks when UPS handles it, so we put in CAPLUGS to
prevent leaks.
Miro Kefurt
MIROX Corporation
1-800-SYN-LUBE"
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After reading through all the [censored] here and on the other board. The shills, the attacks, the insults, then me and my buddy Mystick accused of being Frozen in time (lol, I loved that comment). I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
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If Miro and Synlube are actually using USED motor oil and just putting something like moly or whatever into that, it is even worse than I thought. I thought that they would at least buy some new conventional or synthetic oil (preferably synthetic-after all the oil is supposed to last 40,000 miles) and put some sort of concoction like PTFE, moly and graphite or Lubro-Moly into the oil. They are even cheaper than I thought. Heck, at $32.00 a quart (for Synlube) they could afford to use Mobil 1 oil!
Look how low the TBN is and how low the calcium and some other additives are. No wonder Synlube engines sludge up. You have to have some detergent. And if the TBN is that low in 'fresh' oil imagine what it looks like after 40,000 miles if somebody actually tried to drive that far on one oil change.
No thank you. I will stick with Pennzoil, Mobil 1, Motorcraft and Valvoline. Good old Motorcraft motor oil would beat this Synlube trash.
Look how low the TBN is and how low the calcium and some other additives are. No wonder Synlube engines sludge up. You have to have some detergent. And if the TBN is that low in 'fresh' oil imagine what it looks like after 40,000 miles if somebody actually tried to drive that far on one oil change.
No thank you. I will stick with Pennzoil, Mobil 1, Motorcraft and Valvoline. Good old Motorcraft motor oil would beat this Synlube trash.
Wow, some quotes from that link. Some very, very, disturbing stuff:
"When it's time to change the oil, you can take
the used oil and send it back to the company where they will microfilter it and
restore the additive balance. The end result is an oil meeting new oil specs
and ready for the same service all over again."
"Image is not everything - you should see the used oil containers that I got my lube in - but you know what . . . it doesn't matter that a fleet user returned a bunch of plastic bottles that they shipped my lube in"
"When it's time to change the oil, you can take
the used oil and send it back to the company where they will microfilter it and
restore the additive balance. The end result is an oil meeting new oil specs
and ready for the same service all over again."
"Image is not everything - you should see the used oil containers that I got my lube in - but you know what . . . it doesn't matter that a fleet user returned a bunch of plastic bottles that they shipped my lube in"
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Quote:
"When it's time to change the oil, you can take
the used oil and send it back to the company where they will microfilter it and
restore the additive balance. The end result is an oil meeting new oil specs
and ready for the same service all over again."
Who are you quoting from? A user or Miro's Website?
Filtered oil is one thing (not good) but re-refined oil is another (good).
The high Fe content could be a high level of anti-oxidants, or it could be Fe from used oil.
The low TBN would support the low calcium reading, so I wouldn't think the colloidals would disturb the elemental readings that much.
Not even a cheap, small engine oil in 10W30 would show this unusual additive package.
I believe Ankhamaat supposedly posted this UOA. Does anyone know the kind of engine and vehicle, mileage, etc?
Iron 105
Chromium 1
Nickel 1
Aluminum 35
Lead 1
Copper 1
Tin
35
Silver 1
Titanium 1
Silicon
45
Boron
125
Sodium
251
Potassium
76
Molybdenum
5478
Phosphorus
1275
Zinc
1001
Calcium
76
Barium
128
Magnesium
257
Antimony 1
Vanadium 176
The moly content is rather high for a VOA, but what is contradictory is the fact that one of the UOA's has over 5,000 ppm of moly and a high level of vanadium.
Vanadium is a steel hardener so if a UOA shows ~=200 ppm of Vanadium, I could only conclude that a lot of wear occurred in the cams and rings/cylinders.
I suggest we wait for the T&N sample before we draw any other conclusions.
"When it's time to change the oil, you can take
the used oil and send it back to the company where they will microfilter it and
restore the additive balance. The end result is an oil meeting new oil specs
and ready for the same service all over again."
Who are you quoting from? A user or Miro's Website?
Filtered oil is one thing (not good) but re-refined oil is another (good).
The high Fe content could be a high level of anti-oxidants, or it could be Fe from used oil.
The low TBN would support the low calcium reading, so I wouldn't think the colloidals would disturb the elemental readings that much.
Not even a cheap, small engine oil in 10W30 would show this unusual additive package.
I believe Ankhamaat supposedly posted this UOA. Does anyone know the kind of engine and vehicle, mileage, etc?
Iron 105
Chromium 1
Nickel 1
Aluminum 35
Lead 1
Copper 1
Tin
35
Silver 1
Titanium 1
Silicon
45
Boron
125
Sodium
251
Potassium
76
Molybdenum
5478
Phosphorus
1275
Zinc
1001
Calcium
76
Barium
128
Magnesium
257
Antimony 1
Vanadium 176
The moly content is rather high for a VOA, but what is contradictory is the fact that one of the UOA's has over 5,000 ppm of moly and a high level of vanadium.
Vanadium is a steel hardener so if a UOA shows ~=200 ppm of Vanadium, I could only conclude that a lot of wear occurred in the cams and rings/cylinders.
I suggest we wait for the T&N sample before we draw any other conclusions.
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Does anyone have the other UOA (with vehicle, mileage, driving conditions, etc) so we can make comparisons?
http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-22432.html
This is a guys Used Oil Analysis after 15,000 miles in a brand new Ford Ranger.
iron: 79
chromium: 3
lead: 1
tin: 0
aluminum: 3
nickel: 5
silver: 0
boron: 18
sodium: 5
magnesium: 285
calcium: 2838
barium: 0
phosphorus: 712
zinc: 836
molybdenum: 539
titanium: 0
vanadium: 0
potassium: 0
fuel: vol
viscosity @ 40 C: 117.5
viscosity @ 100 C: 15.77
water: 0%/vol
soot/solids: 0.3
glycol: negative
TBN: 3.7
VI: 142
This is a guys Used Oil Analysis after 15,000 miles in a brand new Ford Ranger.
iron: 79
chromium: 3
lead: 1
tin: 0
aluminum: 3
nickel: 5
silver: 0
boron: 18
sodium: 5
magnesium: 285
calcium: 2838
barium: 0
phosphorus: 712
zinc: 836
molybdenum: 539
titanium: 0
vanadium: 0
potassium: 0
fuel: vol
viscosity @ 40 C: 117.5
viscosity @ 100 C: 15.77
water: 0%/vol
soot/solids: 0.3
glycol: negative
TBN: 3.7
VI: 142
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I believe Ankhamaat supposedly posted this UOA.
Ankhamatt has been exposed as Miro. The identity started the day after Miro was banned. Anything from these guys is bogus IMO.
Regarding the 15k UOA, I would suggest researching that because it may be bogus also, like the MSDS, etc. That site said the person who reported the UOA was a Synlube supporter and it could be another false identity or a kirk-like shill. We need UOAs from reputable BITOG members or some other reliable source IMO. There is just too much bogus info. being spread by these folks. So far the only data I have seen on this product that I trust is from Bruce381. It would be great to see additional trustworthy data.
I believe Ankhamaat supposedly posted this UOA.
Ankhamatt has been exposed as Miro. The identity started the day after Miro was banned. Anything from these guys is bogus IMO.
Regarding the 15k UOA, I would suggest researching that because it may be bogus also, like the MSDS, etc. That site said the person who reported the UOA was a Synlube supporter and it could be another false identity or a kirk-like shill. We need UOAs from reputable BITOG members or some other reliable source IMO. There is just too much bogus info. being spread by these folks. So far the only data I have seen on this product that I trust is from Bruce381. It would be great to see additional trustworthy data.
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I would still like to see an actual VOA or UOA on real Synlube but I don't think it is 100% necessary. My mind was made up on Synlube a long time ago.
Who would buy from a company that cannot be located on a map? Who would buy from a company that seems to be so abusive to customers? Who would buy from a company that seems so determined to prevent its product from being tested?
It may prove difficult to even obtain a real sample of automotive Synlube. If a sample can be obtained I would of course really like to see the VOA.
Who would buy from a company that cannot be located on a map? Who would buy from a company that seems to be so abusive to customers? Who would buy from a company that seems so determined to prevent its product from being tested?
It may prove difficult to even obtain a real sample of automotive Synlube. If a sample can be obtained I would of course really like to see the VOA.
Anyone that just wants to buy one quart of this stuff to have tested, he is selling on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SynLube-5...#ht_3157wt_1167
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SynLube-5...#ht_3157wt_1167
Originally Posted By: Trajan
http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-22432.html
This is a guys Used Oil Analysis after 15,000 miles in a brand new Ford Ranger.
iron: 79
chromium: 3
lead: 1
tin: 0
aluminum: 3
nickel: 5
silver: 0
boron: 18
sodium: 5
magnesium: 285
calcium: 2838
barium: 0
phosphorus: 712
zinc: 836
molybdenum: 539
titanium: 0
vanadium: 0
potassium: 0
fuel: vol
viscosity @ 40 C: 117.5
viscosity @ 100 C: 15.77
water: 0%/vol
soot/solids: 0.3
glycol: negative
TBN: 3.7
VI: 142
That one looks a little bit better. Iron is still way high, but everything else looks a bit more realistic.
http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-22432.html
This is a guys Used Oil Analysis after 15,000 miles in a brand new Ford Ranger.
iron: 79
chromium: 3
lead: 1
tin: 0
aluminum: 3
nickel: 5
silver: 0
boron: 18
sodium: 5
magnesium: 285
calcium: 2838
barium: 0
phosphorus: 712
zinc: 836
molybdenum: 539
titanium: 0
vanadium: 0
potassium: 0
fuel: vol
viscosity @ 40 C: 117.5
viscosity @ 100 C: 15.77
water: 0%/vol
soot/solids: 0.3
glycol: negative
TBN: 3.7
VI: 142
That one looks a little bit better. Iron is still way high, but everything else looks a bit more realistic.
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