Does anyone have a link to a product data sheet for Sustina oils?
Sustina Product Data
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http://www.eneos.us/products
Never mind, wrong link. Maybe I have it....
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Here we are...
We've got VOAs for the 0w20 and 0w50:
Eneos Sustina 0w20 VOA
Eneos Sustina 0w50 VOA
The 0w20 does match their published specs, but the 0w50 does not. Just some FYI.
Eneos Sustina 0w20 VOA
Eneos Sustina 0w50 VOA
The 0w20 does match their published specs, but the 0w50 does not. Just some FYI.
Originally Posted By: cp3
Here we are...
How long ago did they release that, or put it up on their site??
(It was NOT there very long ago.)
I still wish they would put an accurate HTHSV on that spec sheet though.
Here we are...
How long ago did they release that, or put it up on their site??
(It was NOT there very long ago.)
I still wish they would put an accurate HTHSV on that spec sheet though.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I still wish they would put an accurate HTHSV on that spec sheet though.
I agree but as pdarm pointed out the 0w50 spec's are way off anyway. Not picking on Sustina as other company PDSs are not very accurate either particularly for low volume heavier oil grades.
I still wish they would put an accurate HTHSV on that spec sheet though.
I agree but as pdarm pointed out the 0w50 spec's are way off anyway. Not picking on Sustina as other company PDSs are not very accurate either particularly for low volume heavier oil grades.
I think I may have gotten that from the Canadian distributor, not really sure now.
Originally Posted By: dparm
We've got VOAs for the 0w20 and 0w50:
Eneos Sustina 0w20 VOA
Eneos Sustina 0w50 VOA
The 0w20 does match their published specs, but the 0w50 does not. Just some FYI.
And 5w30, that I posted long time ago on yota forums.
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/8-general-discussion/404687-new-eneos-sustina-5w30-voa.html
We've got VOAs for the 0w20 and 0w50:
Eneos Sustina 0w20 VOA
Eneos Sustina 0w50 VOA
The 0w20 does match their published specs, but the 0w50 does not. Just some FYI.
And 5w30, that I posted long time ago on yota forums.
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/8-general-discussion/404687-new-eneos-sustina-5w30-voa.html
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With all of the supposed low temperature benefits if this super high VI product, you would think they would make MRV and CCS available. The pour points are respectable but nothing special for a synthetic. Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Not necessarily, here are Petro-Canada Supreme Synthetic 0w30 SN & SM numbers...
Code:
0w30SN 0w30SM
PP -48 -45
CCV 5920@-35 5524@-35
MRV 24800@-40 14204@-40
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Not necessarily, here are Petro-Canada Supreme Synthetic 0w30 SN & SM numbers...
Code:
0w30SN 0w30SM
PP -48 -45
CCV 5920@-35 5524@-35
MRV 24800@-40 14204@-40
Yes PP spec's are best ignored, as they are highly very misleading at best. That's why the much more relevant CCS and MRV spec's were developed.
BTW the MRV for Sustina 0W-20 is 9,630cP which splits the difference between the Cdn and US versions of Mobil 1 0W-20..
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/2820533/
BTW the MRV for Sustina 0W-20 is 9,630cP which splits the difference between the Cdn and US versions of Mobil 1 0W-20..
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/2820533/
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Notice the use of the word "generally", which does not mean always. There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse.
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Notice the use of the word "generally", which does not mean always. There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse.
VOA TBN is way off from the spec sheet. 8.2 vs 12 for the 0-20
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Notice the use of the word "generally", which does not mean always. There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse.
And Red Line 0W-XX oils have a PP of -76F although their MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance.
So "generally" doesn't count if you're actually choosing an oil because you're going to be starting at -40 degrees; you what to know actual performance and only CCS and MRV will tell you that.
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Notice the use of the word "generally", which does not mean always. There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse.
And Red Line 0W-XX oils have a PP of -76F although their MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance.
So "generally" doesn't count if you're actually choosing an oil because you're going to be starting at -40 degrees; you what to know actual performance and only CCS and MRV will tell you that.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Notice the use of the word "generally", which does not mean always. There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse.
And Red Line 0W-XX oils have a PP of -76F although their MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance.
So "generally" doesn't count if you're actually choosing an oil because you're going to be starting at -40 degrees; you what to know actual performance and only CCS and MRV will tell you that.
There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse. What are the "anything but impressive" MRV specifications for the Redline 0W-XX oils?
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Notice the use of the word "generally", which does not mean always. There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse.
And Red Line 0W-XX oils have a PP of -76F although their MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance.
So "generally" doesn't count if you're actually choosing an oil because you're going to be starting at -40 degrees; you what to know actual performance and only CCS and MRV will tell you that.
There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse. What are the "anything but impressive" MRV specifications for the Redline 0W-XX oils?
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Notice the use of the word "generally", which does not mean always. There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse.
And Red Line 0W-XX oils have a PP of -76F although their MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance.
So "generally" doesn't count if you're actually choosing an oil because you're going to be starting at -40 degrees; you what to know actual performance and only CCS and MRV will tell you that.
Since you have not responded to my query regarding the "anything but stellar" MRV data for Redline 0W-XX oils, I will provide them for you:
0W-20: 14,000@ -40c
0W-30: 14,800@ -40c
0W-40: 15,500@ -40c
For comparison, Mobil 1 0W-40 has MRV of 31,000@ -40c, Mobil 1 0w30 has a MRV of 13,250@ -40c, Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 has a MRV of 17,700@ -40, Mobil 1 0W-20 has a MRV of 9200@ -40c.
Your contention that Redline 0W-XX "MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance." is pure nonsense. Mobil 1 0W-20 is clearly a standout in extreme cold, but all of the Redline 0W weights would be excellent in extreme cold. In the 0W-40 weight, it is no contest. BTW, the pour point for Mobil 1 0W-40 is quite a bit higher as well. As it's pour point has gone up through formulation changes, so has it's MRV values. The folks at Redline are awaiting your mea culpa.
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Notice the use of the word "generally", which does not mean always. There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse.
And Red Line 0W-XX oils have a PP of -76F although their MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance.
So "generally" doesn't count if you're actually choosing an oil because you're going to be starting at -40 degrees; you what to know actual performance and only CCS and MRV will tell you that.
Since you have not responded to my query regarding the "anything but stellar" MRV data for Redline 0W-XX oils, I will provide them for you:
0W-20: 14,000@ -40c
0W-30: 14,800@ -40c
0W-40: 15,500@ -40c
For comparison, Mobil 1 0W-40 has MRV of 31,000@ -40c, Mobil 1 0w30 has a MRV of 13,250@ -40c, Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 has a MRV of 17,700@ -40, Mobil 1 0W-20 has a MRV of 9200@ -40c.
Your contention that Redline 0W-XX "MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance." is pure nonsense. Mobil 1 0W-20 is clearly a standout in extreme cold, but all of the Redline 0W weights would be excellent in extreme cold. In the 0W-40 weight, it is no contest. BTW, the pour point for Mobil 1 0W-40 is quite a bit higher as well. As it's pour point has gone up through formulation changes, so has it's MRV values. The folks at Redline are awaiting your mea culpa.
I ran Redline 0w30 3 years ago and we get temps as low as -19F degrees or colder and never had issues in the winter months.
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Notice the use of the word "generally", which does not mean always. There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse.
And Red Line 0W-XX oils have a PP of -76F although their MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance.
So "generally" doesn't count if you're actually choosing an oil because you're going to be starting at -40 degrees; you what to know actual performance and only CCS and MRV will tell you that.
Since you have not responded to my query regarding the "anything but stellar" MRV data for Redline 0W-XX oils, I will provide them for you:
0W-20: 14,000@ -40c
0W-30: 14,800@ -40c
0W-40: 15,500@ -40c
For comparison, Mobil 1 0W-40 has MRV of 31,000@ -40c, Mobil 1 0w30 has a MRV of 13,250@ -40c, Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 has a MRV of 17,700@ -40, Mobil 1 0W-20 has a MRV of 9200@ -40c.
Your contention that Redline 0W-XX "MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance." is pure nonsense. Mobil 1 0W-20 is clearly a standout in extreme cold, but all of the Redline 0W weights would be excellent in extreme cold. In the 0W-40 weight, it is no contest. BTW, the pour point for Mobil 1 0W-40 is quite a bit higher as well. As it's pour point has gone up through formulation changes, so has it's MRV values. The folks at Redline are awaiting your mea culpa.
Here are the MRV spec's I got from Dave at RL last year that have been sited on this form before:
0W-20 27,000cP
0W-30 28,000cP
0W-40 30,000cP
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Originally Posted By: BerndV
Lower pour points generally correlate with better MRV and CCS performance.
Notice the use of the word "generally", which does not mean always. There are more examples of lower pour points correlating with lower CCS and MRV than the converse.
And Red Line 0W-XX oils have a PP of -76F although their MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance.
So "generally" doesn't count if you're actually choosing an oil because you're going to be starting at -40 degrees; you what to know actual performance and only CCS and MRV will tell you that.
Since you have not responded to my query regarding the "anything but stellar" MRV data for Redline 0W-XX oils, I will provide them for you:
0W-20: 14,000@ -40c
0W-30: 14,800@ -40c
0W-40: 15,500@ -40c
For comparison, Mobil 1 0W-40 has MRV of 31,000@ -40c, Mobil 1 0w30 has a MRV of 13,250@ -40c, Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 has a MRV of 17,700@ -40, Mobil 1 0W-20 has a MRV of 9200@ -40c.
Your contention that Redline 0W-XX "MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. RL is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance." is pure nonsense. Mobil 1 0W-20 is clearly a standout in extreme cold, but all of the Redline 0W weights would be excellent in extreme cold. In the 0W-40 weight, it is no contest. BTW, the pour point for Mobil 1 0W-40 is quite a bit higher as well. As it's pour point has gone up through formulation changes, so has it's MRV values. The folks at Redline are awaiting your mea culpa.
Here are the MRV spec's I got from Dave at RL last year that have been sited on this form before:
0W-20 27,000cP
0W-30 28,000cP
0W-40 30,000cP
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
And Red Line 0W-XX oils have a PP of -76F although their MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. Red Line is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance.
So "generally" doesn't count if you're actually choosing an oil because you're going to be starting at -40 degrees; you what to know actual performance and only CCS and MRV will tell you that.
BTW, for "extreme cold performance", Red Line 0W-XX oils are the ONLY ones I know of that would still be a liquid in Arctic and interior Alaska winters where temperatures can drop below -60 F. Everything else out there would become a semi-solid without a pan heater and even that would not prevent solidifying in the rest of the motor. Thus, "PP spec's are best ignored" should be ignored for extreme cold conditions.
And Red Line 0W-XX oils have a PP of -76F although their MRV and CCS spec's are anything but impressive. Red Line is not an oil one would really consider for extreme cold performance.
So "generally" doesn't count if you're actually choosing an oil because you're going to be starting at -40 degrees; you what to know actual performance and only CCS and MRV will tell you that.
BTW, for "extreme cold performance", Red Line 0W-XX oils are the ONLY ones I know of that would still be a liquid in Arctic and interior Alaska winters where temperatures can drop below -60 F. Everything else out there would become a semi-solid without a pan heater and even that would not prevent solidifying in the rest of the motor. Thus, "PP spec's are best ignored" should be ignored for extreme cold conditions.
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